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I just made a [[wp:bold|bold]] edit, which changed Wikidata links from Special:Search/FooBar to Special:ItemByTitle/enwiki/FooBar. This way, the template will lead directly to a relevant WD entry if possible. Admittedly, this would be worse if there is no such entry (and therefore a totally unhelpful page linked to), but the solution is just to not include any links to WD for articles without entries. I'm open for discussion. -- '''[[User:ypnypn|<span style="color:blue;background:white;">YPN</span>]][[User talk:ypnypn|<span style="color:white;background:blue;">YPN</span>]]''' <big>[[Special:Contributions/Ypnypn|<span style="color:blue;background:white;">✡</span>]]</big> 01:38, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
I just made a [[wp:bold|bold]] edit, which changed Wikidata links from Special:Search/FooBar to Special:ItemByTitle/enwiki/FooBar. This way, the template will lead directly to a relevant WD entry if possible. Admittedly, this would be worse if there is no such entry (and therefore a totally unhelpful page linked to), but the solution is just to not include any links to WD for articles without entries. I'm open for discussion. -- '''[[User:ypnypn|<span style="color:blue;background:white;">YPN</span>]][[User talk:ypnypn|<span style="color:white;background:blue;">YPN</span>]]''' <big>[[Special:Contributions/Ypnypn|<span style="color:blue;background:white;">✡</span>]]</big> 01:38, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

== Wikivoyage hidden by default ==

I think the way Wikivoyage is handled in this template is inappropriate. Only 3 sister sites are automatically omitted unless manually added: Wikidata, Wikispecies and Wikivoyage.
* Wikidata is omitted because an automatic link would never work; the item number must be entered manually. I also believe that the Wikipedia community is as of yet unsure whether it wants to link directly to Wikidata, a ''computer'' readable database.
* Wikispecies isn't auto-linked for a similar reason: because they're articles have species under their scientific names while Wikipedia articles take vernacular names. Scientific names must be entered manually.
But Wikivoyage? There's really no valid reason.
It could be said that we shouldn't add links to a travel guide from an article on say, a person. But then there's an inconsistent approach. You don't "define" people in a dictionary (Wiktionary). You can't have "quotations" by a building (Wikiquote). You can't have up-to-date "news" on an event that took place 100 years ago (Wikinews). There shouldn't be a double standard. I believe that Wikivoyage should be automatically included in the template, like most of the other fairly low-traffic projects. It's pretty clear to people when a travel guide is and isn't relevant. It will also save Wikivoyage and Wikipedia editors having to go through tens of thousands of location articles adding <tt>voy=location</tt>. Regards, <big>[[User:JamesA|<font face="Segoe UI"><font color="#4682b4"><big>J</big>ames'''<small>A</small>'''</font></font>]]</big> <sup>[[User talk:JamesA|<font face="Segoe UI"><font color="#191970">'''>talk'''</font></font>]]</sup> 07:30, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

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I noted that a user removed {{Commons cat}} due the concurring presence of {{Sister project links}}. In my opinion it should not affect or discurage the use of {{Commons category}} or {{Commons}} because {{Sister project links}} simply "provides links to the 'Search' page on the various Wikimedia sister projects". It does not grant that any related content actually exist, it is just a (blind) guess. {{Commons}} and {{Commons cat}} instead state that Wikimedia Commons actually has media related to the subject and provide a link to it. This is a precious information. It is the difference between the search function and a link. -- Basilicofresco (msg) 15:23, 21 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm seeing this with {{wikivoyage}} and {{sister project links|voy...}} as well, what needs to happen (instead of having two templates for the same siblings, one of which launches a pointless search) is that this template needs to link directly to a page whenever a pagename or category name is fed as a parameter. No reason to invoke special:search at all if the target is already provided and in the crosshairs. K7L (talk) 18:54, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

ELNO?

Can someone explain to my why this whole template doesn't run afoul of WP:ELNO #9? The entries in the box created by this template consist only of search engine links, and ELNO#9 disallows "links to any search results pages, such as links to individual website searches, search engines, search aggregators, or RSS feeds." —David Eppstein (talk) 18:21, 20 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I also dislike Special:Search’es as a permanent solution – EL or ELNO, but it is just a silly complication in the worst tradition of 21th-century technology. Replace all of these to direct links, yeah. Resulting dead links, IMHO, can be reduced with bots. Incnis Mrsi (talk) 19:12, 2 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
If the user explicitly specified a target, such as {{sister project links|voy=Europe}}, the template needs to send them directly to that page... launching a search is superfluous. The same applies if the user specifies a Commons category or anything else specified right in a parameter. I could explicitly set every parameter to a specific page or category and still have them all become search links... why? Perhaps fr:modèle:autres projets (where the links go to only the projects listed, and the target pages are specified by name) would be a proper example of what needs to happen in any case other than this being arbitrarily dropped on the page with no parameters at all. K7L (talk) 18:47, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Cookbook

What about including parameters for cookbook (and Wikijunior) (with default parameter set no)? We already have a separate one for {{cookbook}}. Thank you.···Vanischenu「m/Talk」 19:29, 25 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Now that Wikivoyage has launched, should the link to there be opt-out instead of opt-in? I've boldly made it so, but feel free to revert (and explain here) if you disagree. MER-C 10:47, 15 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know, but the code is misbehaving. See for example its use on Martin Luther King, Jr.. I don't know enough to fix it, can someone take a look? Kendall-K1 (talk) 13:34, 15 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed by EmilJ (talk · contribs). Thanks! Kendall-K1 (talk) 17:56, 15 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I've reverted; as the WV link was showing on Aaron Swartz. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:34, 15 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

A bot request for approval for The Anonybot may affect the usage of this template. Feel free to discuss there. The Anonymouse (talk | contribs) 08:18, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Wikidata

I just made a bold edit, which changed Wikidata links from Special:Search/FooBar to Special:ItemByTitle/enwiki/FooBar. This way, the template will lead directly to a relevant WD entry if possible. Admittedly, this would be worse if there is no such entry (and therefore a totally unhelpful page linked to), but the solution is just to not include any links to WD for articles without entries. I'm open for discussion. -- YPNYPN 01:38, 3 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Wikivoyage hidden by default

I think the way Wikivoyage is handled in this template is inappropriate. Only 3 sister sites are automatically omitted unless manually added: Wikidata, Wikispecies and Wikivoyage.

  • Wikidata is omitted because an automatic link would never work; the item number must be entered manually. I also believe that the Wikipedia community is as of yet unsure whether it wants to link directly to Wikidata, a computer readable database.
  • Wikispecies isn't auto-linked for a similar reason: because they're articles have species under their scientific names while Wikipedia articles take vernacular names. Scientific names must be entered manually.

But Wikivoyage? There's really no valid reason. It could be said that we shouldn't add links to a travel guide from an article on say, a person. But then there's an inconsistent approach. You don't "define" people in a dictionary (Wiktionary). You can't have "quotations" by a building (Wikiquote). You can't have up-to-date "news" on an event that took place 100 years ago (Wikinews). There shouldn't be a double standard. I believe that Wikivoyage should be automatically included in the template, like most of the other fairly low-traffic projects. It's pretty clear to people when a travel guide is and isn't relevant. It will also save Wikivoyage and Wikipedia editors having to go through tens of thousands of location articles adding voy=location. Regards, JamesA >talk 07:30, 8 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]