The last paragraph reads:

"Contrary to his eulogy, in which he promised that Diana's 'blood family' would take over her less-traditional upbringing of them, the boys have seen little of the Earl Spencer and the other members of Diana's family."

Who is the antecedent for "his" and "he"? I presume it's Prince Charles? Pentegamer 21:06, Jan 18, 2005 (UTC)

No, the "he" is meant to refer to Earl Spencer, who gave his sister's eulogy. Her ex-husband, Charles, did not speak at her funeral services. - Nunh-huh 21:11, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Surely there should be something about his parentage? Shermozle 10:09, Jan 13, 2005 (UTC)

The note on circumcision status is copied directly from the article on circumcision on Wikipedia.

• 209.217.75.162 09:53, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Someone should add the info about Prince Harrys Nazi scandal ( an anonymous contribution from User:24.141.214.87)

Someone should also point out it was a very convenient distraction from both Mark Thatcher's guilty plea and the month-delayed announcement of the end of the Snipe of Mass Destruction hunt. Even CNN paid more attention to this SETUP than the lies used to start a war.

And so far, the only organ I've seen that's remembered this old German family's Nazi empathies was Der Spiegel. Kwantus 04:30, 2005 Jan 15 (UTC)

Pravda put it very well. It was a fanciful-dress party with a Colonials and Natives theme. How dare he go as as one of the biggest colonials since Britain herself!

This poor sod. The bottomfeeders of the media stalk him, slavering for anything they can pounce on; all while surrounded by handlers whose loyalties lie with the "intelligence" services, perfectly placed to use him to create a flapdoodle whenever some serious news needs hiding...On top of which his own father, an emotional cripple, despises him for being the wrong gender and hair colour! He's named for England's most infamous king and manipulated 'round the clock to live down to his namesake, like a Punch puppet, with only the faintest hope of the small recompense of being a figurehead King for awhile. I wouldn't be him for the world.

I admit now this Nazi thing is a scandal, all right. But most people have completely mistaken its nature. Kwantus 19:06, 2005 Jan 17 (UTC)

• His cousin four times removed, the Duke of Albany was a real Nazi Carl Eduard, Duke of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha (HRH The Duke of Albany), a grandson of Queen Victoria. Also I wouldn't describe the Nazis as colonials, more conquerors. Astrotrain 19:27, Jan 17, 2005 (UTC)

It will be to our credit until this bogus turmoil is over, to keep "Harry "The Nazi" of Wales" and the like out of our opening paragraph. An anonymous drive-by joker added it, and User:PatGallacher— under the reassuring rubric "clarified a few points, nothing drastic"— covered it. (No doubt he "didn't see it" though it was in the first line.) This behavior discredits us all. I have put this entry on my Watchlist, much as I detest being Kindergarten Cop. I hope some other grown-ups will help out. I expect about three rather tiresome weeks, as grinning fools jump on this bandwagon. --Wetman 02:33, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Well, actually, I did see it. I did find it a bit surprising, but my inclination is not to delete things without good reason. I am still fairly new to Wikipedia, if people expect me to delete things like this so be it. Isn't "clarified a few points, nothing drastic" a fair summary of the changes I did make? --PatGallacher 16:30, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)

It did seem unmissable. "Under the reassuring rubric" is also perfectly fair. But, another time, why not be more skeptical of the neutrality of any expression like George W. "the Nazi" Bush and suchlike? There are many privileged 19-year-old boys and girls in our world whose gaffes are broader than this kid's... --Wetman 20:36, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Why is this article Prince Harry of Wales? The Prince Harry is obvious enough - though maybe "Henry Windsor" would be more wikipedia conventional. His dad is Prince of Wales but I don't see that he has anything to do with Wales. His brother will become Prince of Wales in due course. http://www.princeofwales.gov.uk/about/biography/harry.html which looks an official site never mentions "of Wales" about him. -- SGBailey 23:25 Feb 6, 2003 (UTC)

I think it's probably explained at Talk:Prince William of Wales, though this isn't really my field... -Nommo

See Wikipedia:Naming conventions (names and titles) for more info. Atorpen 23:44 Feb 6, 2003 (UTC)

Why is this article Prince Harry of Wales? Yep, same question, different reason. Why not Prince Henry of Wales, as in the introduction? I'm not British, but actually I severely doubt that "Prince Harry of Wales" is ever used (while just "Prince Harry" is of course common, but colloquial). Am I wrong? -- Jao 15:15, 19 Apr 2004 (UTC)

The proper style for the Prince is "HRH Prince Henry of Wales." "HRH Prince Harry of Wales" is also used, and is both accurate and easily recognisable. -- Emsworth 01:03, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)

• I made this comment at the talk for Prince William of Wales: According to the British Monarchy site, the Prince of Wales is not a title for automatic succession. [See http://www.princeofwales.gov.uk/about/bio_index.html]. Although Charles is the 21st person to hold the title and it is usually reserved for the male heir to the throne, it is only granted "at the sovereign's pleasure". In fact, Prince Charles did not receive the title until 1958 (and was not formally invested until he was 20). Although I agree that differentiating the heirs of Charles is difficult, Wales is not the correct term. --Westendgirl 07:17, 4 Sep 2004 (UTC)

It was explained to me that just as Diana was the Princess of Wales while she and Charles were married, so too are his sons Prince X of Wales -- just not the Prince of Wales, which as you point out is given at the monarch's pleasure to his/her oldest son. - Montréalais 03:51, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)

• All male British princes and princesses of the blood (HRHs) are known by the territorial title of their fathers. Wales is the correct term for all legitimate children of the Prince of Wales, by comparison HRH Prince Michael of Kent is the son of the Duke of Kent, the late HRH Prince William of Gloucester was the son of the Duke of Gloucester. Following a decree from Queen Victoria:-When the family member ceases to be an HRH (great grandchildren of the sovereign, then they revert to the courtesy title associated with an ordinary peer of their father's rank for example Lord Nicholas Windsor (son of HRH Duke of Kent) as a great grandson of the sovereign (George V) assumes the title of the son of a mere Duke as opposed to a royal Duke. Lord Nicholas' children will be 'Honourable' and their children will be plain Mr or Miss. Royal females, apart from a sovereign queen, no matter what their rank pass no title to their children whatsoever, unless they are married to a titled man, then the children inherit the courtesy titles associated with their father's rank. If this did not happen Britain would eventually be overun by HRHs and titled people.Giano 22:41, 2 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Not so. Lord Nicholas is treated as the younger son of a Duke. His children will not be 'the Hon.' as that is reserved specifically for the younger sons of (certain) peers. His eldest son will be entitled to use 'Esq.' and his eldest son's eldest son &etc..Alci12

The details from these disambiguations should be succinctly represented in thje entry itself. --Wetman 02:33, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)

-when william joined st andrews university and asked to styled as william wales, it was largely reported as a cute thing and a nice way of expressing his solidarity with his welsh connections. questioning harry's use of it only seems to enhance the fact that he is largely seen as "not his brother".

I am not sure about the need for the News of the World image showing Harry's drug story breaking, the article already states that this happened, and the image is just a re-print of this in a paper. I think the Nazi story page should be kept. Also it would be better not to have too many images on this page, as it isn't that long at the moment.

I don't quite agree. I think it's useful and interesting to see the drugs story as it first appeared in papers, and as for the arrangement, the page flows quite nicely when they're both on the right, while it seems a bit disjointed to me to have an image on the left. This is simply aesthetic, of course, but it's always been my preference. — Dan | Talk 22:47, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)

It is a judgement call of course on what people thinks looks better, I think a bit of variety can be better, with some on the left (if it does not disjoint the page). As for relevance, I think the Nazi article image is useful becuase of the pic only, the drug story is dealt with in the article, I think the image just duplicates this. I am never really keen on newspaper articles being used as images as a rule, however it may be appropiate here. Astrotrain 22:55, Jan 20, 2005 (UTC)

In the BBC News article about Harry's entrance into Sandhurst, [1], it is said that Prince Harry will be referred to as "Mr. Wales" or "Officer Cadet Wales". I would have expected "Mr. Mountbatten-Windsor" as being a more appropiate name. Does someone that understands these things better want to make an update about it? Or is it unimportant? JRP

He has no real surname. "Mountbatten-Windsor" is, effectively, a made-up term that is sometimes used when it's needed. His surname is replaced by his title, "of Wales".

James F. (talk) 17:04, 8 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Correct. I don't want an edit war but really the use of Henry Charles Albert David Mountbatten-Windsor at the top of this article is just plain wrong. As an HRH he has no surname and no use of a surname can ever be correct. The bans point raised is again due to error not intent. Earl Mountbatten convinced Anne she should use that form as part of the conniving plan to advance his own name. If you check th marriage registers as at the recent wedding of Charles and Camilla you will see Charles correctly uses only his Christian names and for his surname he used Prince of the united Kingdom or Prince of the Blood Royal. The same form used in Royal passports

It is important to remember that all surnames are "made-up" and the common practice in many countries to take on one's father's surname is mere convention. Harry appears to be following his older brother in using Wales as a surname while at school. -Acjelen 5 July 2005 20:14 (UTC)

It's certainly not merely a "convention" in the UK, as it is governed by law. Proteus (Talk) 5 July 2005 20:45 (UTC)

Royals do have surnames and any claim that they don't is plain wrong. When, for example George V changed from Saxe-Coburg-Gotha his proclaimation stated

Whereas We, having taken into consideration the name and title of Our Royal House and Family, have determined that henceforth Our House and Family shall be styled and known as the House and Family of Windsor:

Thoughout the text, a distinction was drawn between the Royal House and the family name. It was decreed that both the family name and the Royal House name were to be Windsor. If there was no family name/surname, the proclamation would not have needed to mention anything but the Royal House. The proclamation went on to say

all the descendants in the male line of Our said Grandmother Queen Victoria who are subjects of these Realms, other than female descendants who may marry or may have married, shall bear the said name of Windsor. Proclamation Declaring the Name, to Be Borne by His Majesty's Royal House and Family, and Relinquishing all German Titles. London, July 17, 1917.

Firstly, not all the people in the list were members of the Royal House, and secondly the proclamation explicitly speaks over and over of a family name and a Royal House name. Prior to 1917, there was a different Royal House name (Saxe-Coburg-Gotha) and family name (Wettin). George V opted to use the same name for both, but did not abolish a separate family name, merely decreed that the family name and the Royal House name would happen to be the same.

Harry's surname, according to his father's office, unambiguously is Mountbatten-Windsor. However royal tradition internationally is that a prince with a title other that the national state name uses title as a form of honorary family name. So he is Mr Harry Mountbatten-Windsor but may use the form Harry Wales, just as Princess Beatrice of York is Ms Beatrice Mountbatten-Windsor but may use the form Beatrice York. The same convention has been used in royal nomenclature for hundreds of years. The idea that royalty don't have surnames is actually a myth. They personally admit they do. As a British royal said once to a colleague of mine who was engaged in small talk at a state dinner "of course we have a surname. We just don't use them. In fact sometimes, as with Queen Victoria who didn't know she was a Wettin and when she found out was not pleased about it, we've had to have our staff check it out, saying "What is it my surname is again?"" (At which point HRH laughed and explained how at one stage it was contemplated giving the family the surname Oldcastle until it was realised that was the name of a place in Ireland, and it was thought better not to use the name of a place not actually associated with royalty, much less one associated with a Catholic martyr killed by English protestants!) FearÉIREANNFile:Ireland flag large.png\^(talk) 5 July 2005 23:25 (UTC)