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:{{ESp|d}} and correctly I hope. --[[User:Jnorton7558|Jnorton7558]] ([[User talk:Jnorton7558|talk]]) 03:02, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
:{{ESp|d}} and correctly I hope. --[[User:Jnorton7558|Jnorton7558]] ([[User talk:Jnorton7558|talk]]) 03:02, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

==Criticism/war crimes allegations==
My recent addition was removed [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dick_Cheney&curid=5058628&diff=452281823&oldid=452278111 here], for BLP and recentism. I understand this is a high profile article, but per [[WP:PRESERVE]], I'd like to include here on the Talk page, in case elements of it might be useable in some other form?

:Criticism of Dick Cheney

:In August 2011, [[Lawrence Wilkerson]], a former aide to [[Colin Powell]], claimed that Cheney feared being tried as a [[war criminal]], for his role in approving waterboarding and other controversial interrogation techniques.<small>{{cite news|last=Grier|first=Peter|title=Might Dick Cheney really be tried for war crimes?|url=http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Elections/Vox-News/2011/0831/Might-Dick-Cheney-really-be-tried-for-war-crimes|accessdate=24 September 2011|newspaper=[[Christian Science Monitor]]|date=31 August 2011}}</small> During an appearance on ''[[Fox News Sunday]]'', Cheney dismissed Wilkerson's claim, while stating that he accepts that "there are a lot of people out there who don't like me, don't like what I did in public life, disagree fundamentally with my views."<small>{{cite news|last=Jackson|first=David|title=Cheney: War crimes claim is 'cheap shot'|url=http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2011/09/cheney-war-crimes-claim-is-cheap-shot/1|accessdate=24 September 2011|newspaper=[[USA Today]]|date=4 September 2011}}</small>

:In September 2011, prior to a visit by the former vice president to [[Vancouver]], [[Human Rights Watch]] called upon the [[Canadian government]] to bring criminal charges against Cheney under the terms of the [[Convention Against Torture]] for the alleged torture of Canadian citizens [[Maher Arar]] and [[Omar Khadr]].<small>{{cite news|title=Prosecute Dick Cheney for torture, human-rights group tells Ottawa|url=http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/prosecute-dick-cheney-for-torture-human-rights-group-tells-ottawa/article2179140/|accessdate=24 September 2011|newspaper=[[Globe and Mail]]|date=24 September 2011|agency=[[Canadian Press]]}}</small>

Thanks, [[User:Shawn in Montreal|Shawn in Montreal]] ([[User talk:Shawn in Montreal|talk]]) 01:03, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

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Hey I guess someone will fix this. He couldn't have been one of Reagans "early" supporters. April 1980? I'd consider now to be "early". Someone just endorsed Rick Perry the other day. Thats early. The Reagan equivalent to early would be closer to september of 79. You guys(wikipedia) made it hard to edit. I tried this one time back in like 2005. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.109.76.225 (talk) 03:49, 5 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Arrest Warrant by Nigeria and Interpol

http://www.aolnews.com/surge-desk/article/nigeria-to-interpol-arrest-dick-cheney/19742388

Major breaking developments related to Mr. Cheney needs to be added. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Phantom85 (talk • contribs) 00:44, 4 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I reviewed the Nigeria warrant edit and right now it looks pretty NPOV to me. Thanks.Jarhed (talk) 04:18, 13 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Agree. I have additionally updated the issue. Jusdafax 09:29, 18 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
This is a ridiculous inclusion for Cheney. While it is notable for Haliburton the connection to Cheney is spurious at best. He was clearly targeted because he is a well-known figure, but aside from that doesn't appear to have anything to do with this. Removed as a WP:COAT and a WP:BLP violation. Arzel (talk) 18:21, 18 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Please continue this discussion at the disputed content section below.--Jarhed (talk) 05:07, 19 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Settlement Of Oil Mine in Nigeria

Oil Mine Settlement

Dear Respected Honorable Vice President Dick Chenney, Everything is written strictly as per rules and standards and following all ethical values and laws by an International Justice Court Netherland .So please it doesnot mean to bribe or any fraudlent history only way to keep healthier relationship with World .Actually here task is the movement of peace across the world and deserving for Honorable Former President George Bush and Honorable Vice President Dick Chenney for an achievement of Nobel Award with contribution of India myself .So being global means patriotism towards our nation both United States Of America and India. So please cooperate me for an International Justice Court France to put up the petition and held all legal documents to make a mark in the history of America and India .Awaiting for your better co operation and your patriotic reply from the bottoms of the heart . Thanks, Yours Truly, Sahasrabudhe Anand Shamrao

You seem smart. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.54.8.216 (talk) 19:12, 13 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

discussion - content dispute

This content is under dispute and has been in and out multiple times, please attempt more discussion to achieve a compromise or a consensus, thanks Off2riorob (talk) 01:58, 19 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • - In early December 2010, the Nigerian government filed corruption charges against Cheney in connection to his role as the chief executive of Halliburton. The case relates to a former subsidiary of Halliburton (KBR) which admitted to bribing Nigerian officials in a construction bid. In mid-December, 2010, the case was settled when Nigeria agreed to drop the corruption charges against Cheney and Halliburton in exchange for a $250 million settlement.

Now look here, On Dec 13 I read the inclusion about the Nigerian case. At that time it was a bare mention of the facts of the case and I had no problem with it. *Now* the entire thing looks like an unscrupulous shakedown of an innocent company. Do you mean to tell me that bona fide corruption charges were *dropped*? For this information to be included here, it *must* indicate that Cheney is blameless because there is absolutely no proof of wrongdoing.--Jarhed (talk) 05:02, 19 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/14/dick-cheney-nigeria-bribe_n_796726.html

The charges weren't just "dropped." $250,000,000 in "fines" are being negotiated. If this were a "unscrupulous shakedown" no company would agree to that. Sufdub (talk) 05:23, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Oh please. Cheney had *nothing* to do with this and was indicted by the Nigerian government as a shakedown. I suspect that any company that wants to do business in Nigeria has to play this game.Jarhed (talk) 19:28, 30 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

http://www.ww4report.com/node/9338

Update: Halliburton and Nigeria agreed upon a $35 million settlement. We need to now consider how this should be phrased in this article. Sufdub (talk) 05:43, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I would have to agree. Several other editors did as well. Some though, some of whose past editing histories are of interest, appear to want to censor this information from Cheney's Wikipedia article. And it appears they will wikilawyer the issue to get what they want. The only way to get this obviously important information into the article is spend a fair amount of time at it to get past all the specious arguments thrown in the path of including this information, which in my view comes down to Halliburton making a payoff to get their former CEO off the hook. I support your view wholeheartedly. Best wishes, Jusdafax 06:05, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Your assumption of bad faith is a violation of WP guidelines and harmful to the mission of the encyclopedia. In the future, I recommend that you adhere to WP guidelines and policies while working on controversial articles.Jarhed (talk) 19:33, 30 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict)Possibly better refs than ww4report...
The original text under the first bullet point in the OP above looks fairly accurate if 35 is substituted for 250. If some source quoted Halliburton as issuing the usual boilerplate about "...does not constitute an admission of guilt...", that could be added. Also could include something from Cheney's attorney as shown in the CNN article, though it really doesn't the comments really don't say much. Fat&Happy (talk) 06:10, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
That sounds like an approach that will meet the requirements of WP:NPOV. Jusdafax 06:18, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I also back that approach. Sufdub (talk) 06:56, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, that proposal has not been contested for four days. Could someone follow through and add this suggestion to the article and see if it becomes contested. I am new and cannot change a semi-protected page. If this is against procedure or something, then would someone please suggest how we can get this moving along? Sufdub (talk) 22:05, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, based on these discussions, I added exactly what was suggested by the outspoken community (once I finally had enough contributions to edit the page). Sufdub (talk) 04:47, 28 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I for one thank you. Agree that lack of dispute allows you to go ahead and post. The material is well-sourced and belongs in this article. Jusdafax 05:39, 28 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I am fine with the Nigerian mention as it currently stands, thanks for your work.Jarhed (talk) 19:20, 30 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The editing dispute over the Nigerian story seems to have been "settled" now, but I would like to propose revisiting it briefly. If you look at major media, this story had no lasting "impact" beyond news-of-the-day status. For it to take up a large, full paragraph in a Wikipedia "BLP," which has permanence and is always the top result in a Google web search for "Dick Cheney" makes the article - and by extension - Wikipedia look less credible.
Invoking specific WP policies, it seems to principally violate WP:WEIGHT but also WP:NOTE. Nigeria has systemic corruption, so charges and counter-charges, even by government prosecutors, should be viewed with a grain of salt. They know that Cheney is a public figure, like say Tony Hayward, so naming him in person in an indictment filed 11 years after he left Halliburton is a bit of a publicity stunt to get a larger settlement. Now that the Nigerians have gotten what they wanted, I don't think this story deserves permanent enshrinement in its present form in a BLP.
There are municipalities in Vermont that have issued arrest warrants for Cheney for purported war crimes if he "comes to town," so they can attempt extradition to the Hague. Once again, a publicity stunt to make a point. I vote for excising the Nigerian story completely, or boiling it down to one sentence, and linking to the Halliburton article, which has an appropriate mention. 76.245.26.70 (talk) 02:00, 13 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
For the reasons you stated, I believe it should be reduced to a single sentence. Drrll (talk) 02:06, 13 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
OK, done, in the spirit of WP:BOLD. Before anybody gets up in arms that the article has been "scrubbed" of controversy (the old text is just commented out at the moment; at some later date it would be better to remove it entirely to speed up page loading for a very long article), please click on the concluding link to the "Controversies" section of the Halliburton article. 68.15.192.227 (talk) 15:54, 13 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Edit suggestion

Perhaps change "Criticisms of Obama" to "Criticisms of Barack Obama". It just seems more encyclopedic to me, especially for people who come to the page especially to find out about his criticisms of Obama. I know there are really no other Obama's he'd criticise, but it just seems more appropriate. Ignore it if you want, just a suggestion. 60.234.236.221 (talk) 02:04, 10 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Health

I feel that Dick's health issues could be better covered. Especially in light of information regarding improvements in treatment for people who have similar conditions; after all he really did go through the mill and yet has been an example of what modern medicine can do. Also, there is perhaps room for more NPOV quotes by respected commentators and political friends and foes who feel that ongoing stress etc from his heart complaints affected Cheney's personality (and possibly judgement)as time went by.Phil Wardle (talk) 09:18, 14 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Musings and speculation about someone's personality are good examples of what should *not* be in a BLP, and a source would have to be of very high quality, in terms of fact-checking and authoritativeness, to support including such speculation here.Jarhed (talk) 19:25, 10 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The line "he is alive without a pulse" is uncalled for. Recommendation is to end the sentence after the word pump. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fkgaza (talk • contribs) 14:54, 11 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Secretary of Defense: Budgetary practices

As SECDEF, Cheney also ended the Navy's A12 Avenger program, which after seven years (1984-1991) had not produced even a prototype. It was a program unwanted by officials during the Reagan admin. (SECNAV Lehman, CNO) but funded anyway by Congress. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.162.128.52 (talk) 14:44, 21 April 2011 (UTC) Secure — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.70.120.242 (talk) 05:27, 12 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request from 69.72.27.200, 9 May 2011

wash post mon 11 may 2011 dick cheney with end stage heart disease considering heart transplant see washpost for complete info

69.72.27.200 (talk) 16:25, 9 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. — Bility (talk) 18:26, 9 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
UPI is reporting on current statements by Cheney. There doesn't appear to be much of anything that is new: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2011/01/05/Cheney-may-seek-heart-transplant/UPI-44151294243041/.Jarhed (talk) 19:20, 10 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Military Service

Is it really necessary to include a "Military Service" box only for it to read "none"? 68.56.192.70 (talk) 21:48, 11 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

No. Removed inapplicable parameter from generic infobox. Fat&Happy (talk) 22:20, 11 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request from Amlorusso, 1 September 2011

Reference 68 has a dead link. Archive.org has the page at: http://web.archive.org/web/20100412120227/http://www.nationaljournal.com/about/njweekly/stories/2005/1122nj1.htm Amlorusso (talk) 01:05, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

 Done and correctly I hope. --Jnorton7558 (talk) 03:02, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Criticism/war crimes allegations

My recent addition was removed here, for BLP and recentism. I understand this is a high profile article, but per WP:PRESERVE, I'd like to include here on the Talk page, in case elements of it might be useable in some other form?

Criticism of Dick Cheney
In August 2011, Lawrence Wilkerson, a former aide to Colin Powell, claimed that Cheney feared being tried as a war criminal, for his role in approving waterboarding and other controversial interrogation techniques.Grier, Peter (31 August 2011). "Might Dick Cheney really be tried for war crimes?". Christian Science Monitor. Retrieved 24 September 2011. During an appearance on Fox News Sunday, Cheney dismissed Wilkerson's claim, while stating that he accepts that "there are a lot of people out there who don't like me, don't like what I did in public life, disagree fundamentally with my views."Jackson, David (4 September 2011). "Cheney: War crimes claim is 'cheap shot'". USA Today. Retrieved 24 September 2011.
In September 2011, prior to a visit by the former vice president to Vancouver, Human Rights Watch called upon the Canadian government to bring criminal charges against Cheney under the terms of the Convention Against Torture for the alleged torture of Canadian citizens Maher Arar and Omar Khadr."Prosecute Dick Cheney for torture, human-rights group tells Ottawa". Globe and Mail. Canadian Press. 24 September 2011. Retrieved 24 September 2011.

Thanks, Shawn in Montreal (talk) 01:03, 25 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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