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the section on the economy only goes up to 2007 and makes no reference to how the global recession has affected georgian economy, nor how the war in ossetia has affectd georgian economy —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.30.84.28 (talk) 05:37, 6 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

RE: "In 2005 average monthly income of a household was GEL 347 (about 200 USD).[87]" Anyone have data on more recent average income (2010, 2009,...)? 173.19.142.10 (talk) 06:00, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not remove information supported by sources and do not add POV wording such as "invasion" and other of that sort. "Russian Invasion" is the Georgia's position, but the observers' reports[1] quoted in Spiegel, BBC[2] and NY Times say vice versa.

The changes required are:

• At least a mention of the largest battle of the war: Battle of Tskhinvali. There was no even a link to it.

• Photographs: to maintain NPOV - a required Wikipedia policy, we should include photographs of both Ossetian and Georgian protesters and damage caused by both Georgian and Russian armies. It would make four pictures. But a photograph of battle action and a photograph of the Georgian leader have much more relevance to the article than a random girl. Images should illustrate the event, hence the war, not try to stir up sympathy to one of the combatants. Also the caption says the girl is rallying during the war, while the image description on commons say it is taken on August 26, two weeks after the war. If you still insist those images shoud stay there, we should add the images of protesting Ossetians and damage caused by Georgian army as well. That's what Wikipedia rules demand.

• Another POV issue: article was saying "looting, burning, and killing of civilians by Russian military and accompanying irregulars", while the report in the reference [3] only lay the blame on irregulars. So do the EU observers in their report mentioned above, and they mention atrocities from the both sides.

• The article accuses Russia in exaggerating number of victims, but does not even quote the Russian source that claimed thousands of victims. It was actually by a South Ossetian, Mikhail Minsayev, as he's quoted by Washington Post, and it is not even SO official claim - it is 365. Russian Prosecutor General claims 162 civilian victims, not thousands. 162 is quoted in various media and in the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute Yearbook 2009: Armaments, Disarmament and International Security (Oxford University Press, 2009 ISBN 0199566062, 9780199566068).

• Post-war status of territories and positions of current military should also be included. They are the result of the war. It includes: Russia's unilateral recognition of the territories, the troops withdrawal from previously occupied cities, and their current position.

I expect you to be reasonable and agree that these changes are in vein of the Wikipedia policies of neutrality and verifability. If you still disagree, we may call for the third opinion, but taking in account the aforementioned, you may be sure it will not be in favor of the old biased version anyway. Garret Beaumain (talk) 19:21, 8 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

i think you are confusing places here, its not South Ossetia war article but article about the country of Georgia. There is enough information about the war in that article. There is no place in this article to induce every single detail on the war, take it up in the article 2008 South Ossetia war. I dont need you to teach me Wiki policies, i'm a long time contributor. I have seen users like you, Russian POV pushers who hand pick sources and attack this article. The term invasion is not the only term used by Georgians, refer to Ronald Asmus, Little War That Shook the World, and Svante Cornell Guns of August 2008. I will be removing all information which is redundant and is taken from the article 2008 South Ossetia war. Iberieli (talk) 04:18, 9 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Moreover, do not remove images which were attached by other contributors and relate to the topic. This is article about Georgia not South Ossertia war. If you continue removing images which does not suit your political views, it will be regarded as vandalism and I will report you to administrators. Iberieli (talk) 04:29, 9 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Pleace be polite and assume good faith, concerning "Russian POV pushers who hand pick sources and attack this article". I'm in Wikipedia since 2006, longer than you. If I would be a POV-pusher, I would add corpses and ruins caused by Georgian army, but that's what you do for the other side, and who's POV pusher there? You may call for administrators, but taking in account the discussion and sources above, they would not be on your side.

• Images I added are much more related to the topic: Georgian leader and Georgian tank in the section about war, not a random girl taken two weeks after the war with obviously false caption. NPOV rule requires all aspects of the article be balanced, including images and image captions. I see it still requires a third opinion request. --Garret Beaumain (talk) 04:50, 9 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• "Irregulars such as Ossetians, Chechens and Cossacks followed and were reported looting, killing and burning." Hahaha, irregulars, cossacks, chechens, you've forgotten Kalmyks on horses :-) Do you really believe Russia lives in the Middle Ages?)) And bears on the streets of Moscow launch nuclear rockets :-) There are no irregular troops in Russia. And only lashes are permitted for small detachments of cossacks (they act as police helper "druzhinnik" in several regions in the South of Russia.95.165.140.247 (talk) 01:10, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not an expert, but the wall painting in Shio-Mghvime monastery appears to be a later addition, judging by more modern style and fresh looks. Maybe the photo should be replaced with another one, showing an older and more representative fresco. Goodcoin (talk) 11:43, 10 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Being hundreds or thousands of years old is not a precondition for something to be considered truly Georgian, let alone for something to be worth displaying on this page. You imply that older fresco's are "more representative" of Georgian paintings. I can, however, argue that most Georgian frescoes - even the ones painted several years go - appear old because the painting techniques have not been renewed for the past several hundred years, if not thousand. Most paintings for this reason are medieval and single-dimensional at best. Indeed, having historically as many wars and turbulence as Georgia did, it would be hard to take the level of depiction several steps further. For this reason, I do not think it is appropriate to complain much about this particular fresco simply because of its "fresh looks." There is already one not-so-fresh-looking fresco in medieval section if you pay attention. There is also another 12th century, worn-out, faded, old-looking, fresco of Queen Tamar. This should bring an appropriate balance I would think. --Polgraf (talk) 00:05, 11 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The frescoes in Shio-Mghvime were copied from the older versions (King Luarsad for example) and hence are interesting and should be kept in the article. But we can also include older version of the fresco of King David which exists in Gelati Cathedral. As for Luarsab, it is a unique fresco and should remain in the article. Also dont forget that Shio-Mghvime is one of the oldest monasteries in Georgia Iberieli (talk) 22:26, 11 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I see your points, gentlemen. Thanks for your replies. Goodcoin (talk) 10:26, 12 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Should we highlight the 2 breakaway regions on the map of the country in the same way as the editiors of the Serbia page have done? As well as being political accurate, surely ensuring we apply the same balanced standards to all must be the priority? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.67.231.62 (talk) 00:16, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This is a good idea. --Tocino 21:25, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No its not Iberieli (talk) 04:45, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

We need a single standart for all countries. No exceptions. Either we change it here, or there.Garret Beaumain (talk) 19:01, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. Abkhazia and South Ossetia are de facto independent and partially recognized nations, and the map should show them as such. --Tocino 22:47, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Let it be! The current map is a perfect illustration of Georgian disillusion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.62.106.225 (talk) 18:44, 22 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There are many break away provinces of many countries which consider themselves to be independent countries. Only countries recognised by the United Nations should be recognised by Wikipedia for it to remain neutral WP:NPOV. This goes for both Georgia and Serbia. To recognise break away provinces of countries would create enormous numbers of disputes on Wikipedia, each case claiming bias and POV. Wikipedia articles should cover break away provinces of countries but not recognise them as independent countries. This is the only way to keep Wikipedia correct, informative and neutral, plus avoiding huge numbers of disputes. 88.106.115.106 (talk) 02:27, 28 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

By that standard, we would not be recognizing the Republic of China (whose territory is claimed by a UN member state, the People's Republic of China). I understand your concern, but demanding recognition by the UN is too narrow and unrealistic a criterion. Richwales (talk) 05:32, 28 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]