"I am a Palestinian. Hath not a Palestinian eyes? Hath not a Palestinian hands, organs, dimensions, senses, affections, passions? Fed with the same food, hurt with the same weapons, subject to the same diseases, healed by the same means, warmed and cooled by the same winter and summer, as a Jew is? If you prick us, do we not bleed? If you tickle us, do we not laugh? If you poison us do we not die? And if you wrong us, shall we not revenge? If we are like you in the rest, we will resemble you in that -- the villainy you teach me, I will execute; and it shall go hard but I will better the instruction." Tariq Ali's take on Shakespeare in the Khaleej Times "It is not enough for the settler to delimit physically, that is to say with the help of the army and the police force, the place of the native. As if to show the totalitarian character of colonial exploitation the settler paints the native as a sort of quintessence of evil ... The native knows all this ... he knows that he is not an animal, and it is precisely at the moment he realizes his humanity that he begins to sharpen the weapons with which he will secure his victory. From Frantz Fanon's The Wretched of the Earth

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		The Geography Barnstar
		is hereby awarded to Tiamut for exemplary development work on the Outline of Palestine. The Transhumanist    23:18, 25 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You've done an incredible job on this.

I can hardly wait to see how you finish it up.

If you need ideas, here are some examples: Outline of Vatican City, Outline of Japan, Outline of Iceland, Outline of Taiwan, Outline of Thailand, and Outline of Gibraltar.

(Pictures can relate a great deal about a place and its people).

Keep up the great work.

The Transhumanist    23:18, 25 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

P.S.: please consider joining the WP:WPOOK.

I second Transhumanist, your work is amazing and invaluable! -- penubag  (talk) 00:11, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome :) -- penubag  (talk) 00:22, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thirded (if thats even a real word), I was considering giving you a barnstar myself! Highfields (talk, contribs, review) 19:28, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

on my talk. nableezy - 18:36, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I now understand there is a fourth region in Palestine called "no-mans land". First reading about the sources learns I don't understand enough. The stand-off did not change the UN-borders, did it? Well, I take a dip into the naming-thing too. More eyes to be opened. -DePiep (talk) 23:11, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've decided to request your advice for this. Clearly no measure of public debate can expose the truth, however by increasing awareness of the article, a solution can be reached. Should we put this up for AFD? --Warm as ice (talk) 10:10, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

For your information: WP:AN/I#User:Warm as ice request admin action. Cheers. Zero^talk 11:00, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, your bird list is a bit out of kilter with similar country lists. It's usual to list in taxonomic order, see for example, List of birds of Thailand, which you could use to sort out the order, or perhaps amend List of birds of Israel which although more basic is more relevant in terms of species. You can put the status next to each species, and perhaps put in a paragraph of text about migration without listing all the migratory species. Although soaring birds are particularly relevant, because they will not fly over the Med, many other species pass through as well Jimfbleak - talk to me? 13:37, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

if you use the Israel article as a template, which I recommend since it has family summaries too, note that the headings and TOC are over-capitalised, eg Shearwaters and Petrels should be Shearwaters and petrels. You can illustrate your article, and the Thailand page will help you with layout. If you get stuck, let me know Jimfbleak - talk to me? 13:43, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Your birds of Palestine reference seems suspect Jimfbleak - talk to me? 19:54, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've got the Firefox WOT extension, which evaluates this as a suspect site. Having said that, it appears to have been assessed by only one person, and I can't really see what the problem is. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 05:54, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think you're right, the site looks innocuous, and most of the bird lists start from Avibase. You could save a lot of time on the list by just copying across the Israel list (I wonder if it includes the occupied territories?) cutting out any species not recorded in Palestine, and adding any recorded in Palestine but not Israel. Let me know if you get stuck Jimfbleak - talk to me? 08:42, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've edited the Israel list to remove the excessive capitalisation. I've also replaced US names and spelling with BE where I've spotted them (Avibase uses American names and spelling throughout) Jimfbleak - talk to me? 09:32, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, a lot of work! It's a nice article. I think there are a couple of places, particularly in the vernacular architecture section where it comes close to POV, but I'm conscious that it's in your user space so I haven't commented or amended Jimfbleak - talk to me? 09:57, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome :). Hopefully we can steer him towards an area where he can be more productive - if not, at least we tried. I've been to Jerusalem before and greatly enjoyed it - the Dome of the Rock is possibly the most beautiful man-made object in the world. Unfortunately Ironholds aged 9 didn't know what happens if you take every picture with the flash on, and none of them came out :(. Ironholds (talk) 12:59, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Will do :). I was lucky enough to see it right up close about six months before they closed the whole area off (I don't know if they've reopened it to us genocidal warmongers yet. Out of interest, while it might not be your area in anything more than a geographical sense, do you know anything about the Church of the Holy Sepulchre? I've got a history of the thing waiting for me at uni and I was looking to get it up to GA or similar. Ironholds (talk) 13:07, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Shit, that sucks :(. It's an odd day when a lapsed Jew finds it easier to get to the Dome than a Palestinian married to a Muslim. I wont't be able to start the rewrite until September (as I said, the book is at uni) but I'll give you a poke once I start doing so :). The architecture article looks brilliant, and I'll take a looksee in the university library when I get back to see if there are any architecture/design books that might help. Ironholds (talk) 13:22, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Religious and racial tolerance = good. I find it helps to remember that at the end of the day all races, religions, ethnic groups and the like are made up of individuals like you and me, and that to damn those individuals entirely based on a particular association makes you no better than them. On a side note, while you've probably heard of him, if you haven't you might want to check out Aviv Geffen, a big leftist Israeli jew notable for publicly speaking out against the situation in the holy land, his refusal to serve in the IDF and so on along a similar vein. His song "cloudy now" is an excellent example of his leanings (although if you don't speak hebrew you might find it better to listen to the English version he recorded with Blackfield). Ironholds (talk) 13:38, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Indeedy, it's been a pleasure to chat. I'm actually at work, so I should probably get off the intertubes anyway :). Ironholds (talk) 13:47, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for restoring that text. There is another issue which has arisen, see the talk page. Mjroots (talk) 13:05, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You've got nothing to be sorry for. I've given more than adequate explanation of the refs for the name. Will investigate the Arbcom matter as referenced material was removed from the article. Meanwhile, have one of these:-

Mjroots (talk) 17:45, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Left you a message on talk page Talk:Hummus#Dispute_Levant_as_Arab Igor Berger (talk) 17:24, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

As I said there, there is no dispute in the sources. So I won't be participating in that discussion any further. Feel free to retag the article if you like. I don't have time for this kind of misuse of NPOV tags, given the misuse of these tags at another article I am working on: Land Day. Tiamut^talk 17:30, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for re-tagging the article. You are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Igor Berger (talk) 17:48, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I left a message with Igor's post-block mentor. Sean.hoyland - talk 18:56, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If you really think I'm stalking you, I encourage you to report me. Otherwise please don't make accusations you can't back up
I responded to your other queries on my talk page. No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 19:08, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Of course I can back up the accusation, otherwise it would not be made. See User:Tiamut/No More for an outline of how I came to this conclusion. I think it would be best for you to admit that you have been following me around, and commit to not doing it anymore. There is really no other explanation for your edits between July 20 and July 30th. Every single one is one an article that I was either developing heavily previously or had just made an edit to. Its disingenous for you to pretend there is an alternate explanation.

I won't be reporting right now. I've given you what I consider a final warning. Do not follow me anymore. Okay? Tiamut^talk 21:43, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The proof is in your head. The fact I made edits to 4 articles you happen to have edited is hardly proof. There is a very good alternative explanation which I'll happily present when you file your report.
Again, I encourage you to report me if you're sure I'm stalking you. I won't be threatened out of editing IP articles. Make your complaint. Lets see if it holds water. —Preceding unsigned comment added by No More Mr Nice Guy (talk • contribs) 22:55, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The fact that every single one of your edits over the last ten days have been to articles I edited either directly before you did or that I had been working on extensively previously is no coincidence No More Mr Nice Guy. I've given you two warnings now, and if you edit directly after me at an article you have not edited previously again, I will file the report. This is not a threat. It's a fair warning. Take it or leave it. There are thousands of I-P articles, thousands of which I have not touched. I'm sure it will be easy to find some. The ball is in your court. Tiamut^talk 23:06, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No, the ball is in your court. You're the one making the accusation. I shall continue to edit whatever I please. You decide if you want to file a report or not. I'm sure it will have no more merit in the future than it has now, which is probably why you're not filing it. No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 23:17, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I won't be bullied into filing a report No More Mr Nice Guy. They are time-consuming and a waste of energy (just like this discussion). I've said what I want to say and you do what you want to do, andd we'll see what happens in the future. Happy editing. Tiamut^talk 23:21, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your note. I've responded on my talk page. -User:Jaakobou

-- Jaakobou^{Chalk Talk} 10:49, 31 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your note. I've responded on my talk page. -User:Jaakobou

-- Jaakobou^{Chalk Talk} 11:10, 31 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your note. I've responded on my talk page. -User:Jaakobou

-- Jaakobou^{Chalk Talk} 11:53, 31 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Phase two of outline integration (de-orphanizing outlines by adding links leading to them into article see also sections) is nearly complete. The better that outlines are integrated into the encyclopedia, the more use they will be to readers.

Due to greater exposure through outline integration, and with most of the OOK team on school summer vacation, development activity on outlines has increased a lot...

New members

Be sure to welcome our newest members to the team:

• Tiamut
• Mandsford

News: Outline of Palestine survives AfD

The outline was nominated for deletion for being too general in scope. The consensus was overwhelmingly for keeping it.

The most memorable comment was posted by Mandsford: I like the poetic name, anyway. [Outline of Palestine]. "Master Plan of Pakistan" and "Rough Sketch of Bangladesh" would be good too.

Special thanks to Tiamut for greatly improving the outline, and helping to save it from AfD.

To keep track of outline AfDs and other outline-related discussions, see WP:OOKDISC.

Who's active on Wikipedia this summer?

Courtesy of Rich Farmbrough, here's a list of editors by their edit counts over the previous month (8th June to 8th July).

It would be nice to get the most prolific Wikipedians involved with WP:WPOOK. If you can, find a good reason to contact one or more of them, and invite them to work on a relevant outline - or all 500!

Who's been up to what?

• Buaidh, Highfields, and Gimme danger have been working on the government sections of the country outlines. Being that there are about 240 of these, with critical information being filled in on each, this is by far the hardest and most important chore of this WikiProject right now.
• Penubag is working on a redesign of the top OOK page.
• Tiamut has done an incredible job developing the Outline of Palestine.
• And kudos also go to Eu.stefan for his work on Outline of Buddhism.

Thank you.

Here's what else has been going on...

New outlines

Recently created outlines include:

• Outline of England - TT
• Outline of Scotland - TT
• Outline of Buddhism - Eu.stefan
• Outline of ancient Greece - TT

Recently converted to outlines

These outline articles, which were named "List of...", have been converted to an OOK format and added to the OOK:

• Outline of the Vietnam War - was "List of Vietnam War-related topics" - TT
• Outline of combinatorics - was "List of combinatorics topics" - converted by Minnecologies
• Outline of category theory - was "List of category theory topics" converted by Minnecologies
• Outline of scientific method - was "List of scientific method topics" - TT
• Outline of ancient Rome - was "List of topics related to ancient Rome" - TT

Recently merged into outlines

There are a lot of "List of" articles that are outlines. Some of them are on the same subjects as the "Outline of" articles. The following articles have been recently merged into OOK pages:

• List of finance topics into Outline of finance - TT
• List of England-related topics into Outline of England - TT

Outlines that have been tagged

Tags are requests to fix a problem or improve an article in a particular way. Unless we want the tags to sit there for an extended period of time cluttering up the outlines (we don't), it is up to us to fulfill those requests or attend to underlying misassumptions (if any).

• Outline of literature - tagged as Original research
• Outline of ancient Greece - tagged as under construction
• Outline of mathematics - tagged as in need of attention from an expert
• Outline of arithmetic - tagged as not citing any references or sources.
• Outline of immunology - tagged as an orphan
• Outline of organic chemistry - tagged as an orphan
• Outline of psychology - tagged as in need of attention from an expert on the subject
• Outline of family and consumer science - tagged as an orphan
• Outline of energy storage - tagged as an orphan
• Outline of nuclear technology - tagged as an orphan
• Outline of ergonomics - tagged as an orphan
• Outline of construction - tagged as an orphan
• Outline of machines - tagged as an orphan
• Outline of free software - tagged as an orphan
• Outline of design - tagged as containing original research or unverified claims, and needing references or sources
• Outline of automobiles - tagged as an orphan

I can't stress enough the importance of watching

With so many outlines (now over 500), and a growing number of support pages (guidelines, wikiproject pages, etc.), I can no longer keep up. I need your help watching over it all.

If you'd like to omnisciently view everything "from above", see this page:

• WP:OOKWL - watchlist for copying and pasting into your raw watchlist.

Or go to these pages (and click on "Related changes" in the sidebar's toolbox menu):

• WP:OOKRC - a version of the above watchlist for use with "Related changes".
• WP:OOKDIR - a list of key pages related to the OOK, along with their shortcuts.
• WP:OOKDISC - list of discussions pertaining to outlines.

What's next?

There are a lot of contradictions in guidelines related to outlines. I'll be turning my attention to fixing those.

The number of "Outline of" articles is rapidly catching up to portals, and will probably pass them by the end of the summer!

Keep up the excellent work.

The Transhumanist    00:38, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! I may be coming to you for help soon. It would be nice to have someone who knows what they're doing (more than I do anyway) have a look with "outside the project" eyes to let me know what doesn't make sense! MeegsC | Talk 21:36, 31 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delivered by –Juliancolton | ^Talk at 21:45, 31 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I went marauding through JSTOR in search of some sources for you and found a few useful bits. There's Ancient Palestinian Dwellings by H. Keith Beebe, which is more archaeological but might provide a source for the historical development and evolution of Palestinian architecture, Palestinian temples by M. V. Setton Williams and The Beehive Buildings of Ancient Palestine by John Currid. If you can send me a blank email or something I can send you the pdfs :). Ironholds (talk) 09:43, 1 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No problem whatsoever :). I'll have a look through the physical texts at uni when I get back as well. Email has been sent, with pdfs attached :). Ironholds (talk) 09:51, 1 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I appreciate your consideration. As a show of goodwill, you may call on me if there's a particular article you are working on you want copyedited (er, as long as it's not an outline). WesleyDodds (talk) 11:13, 1 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A good thing about Sceptic is that he is not averse to using self-depreciating irony e.g. Talk:Gaza_War#Allegations...etc where, shortly after I had complained about too much soapboxing on the talk page, he said

"Throughout our discussions I tried on numerous occasions to show nonsense in Amnesty and others, however only Monitor receives all the credit. Do I have to double the soapboxing here?".

Yeah, a bit of levity helps now and again. Sean.hoyland - talk 05:42, 4 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Whaw, you sure attract a "fan-club"! I´ve looked into the contributions of some of your "fans", and thought I have my suspicions, I have not found enough evidence (yet..) to file a CU-report. However, what *is* very obvious, is that you have been the subject of some, IMO, quite nasty wiki-"hounding" (I believe that is the wiki-political correct term, at present.) Especially by User:No More Mr Nice Guy ...and I must also mention User:Jaakobou. I had thought of filing an report on User:No More Mr Nice Guy at once...but then I saw that s/he had not edited for some days. If s/he returns, and follows you to as much as one single article; I *will* make a formal report. Take care! Cheers, Huldra (talk) 06:03, 4 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

PS: Oh, and Ash has some information for you over at his talk-page: User_talk:Ashley_kennedy3

Thanks for your kind note. It's very good to see you back editing with your usual clarity and panache. --Ian Pitchford (talk) 09:36, 4 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, you may want to re-format the content you added here. I think each primary bullet is for a new comment from a new editor, so I'm not sure if that's what you intended or if the bullets after the first bullet should be indented. Let me know if this makes any sense, because I'm not even sure that it does! -shirulashem^(talk) 16:32, 4 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi, My eye has been caught by a couple of Gilabrand's replies to you and the description he's given them [1], [2]. How easy is it for you to visit Jerusalem as a Palestinian living in Nazareth?--Peter cohen (talk) 22:41, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

User talk:Harlan wilkerson/The Real Meaning of the Declarations

harlan (talk) 00:03, 6 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Please refrain from undoing other people's edits repeatedly, as you are doing at Wars of national liberation. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. Rather than reverting, discuss disputed changes on the talk page. The revision you want is not going to be implemented by edit warring. Thank you. Mr. Hicks The III (talk) 20:28, 7 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This was unnecessary. Thanks for your concern, but I was not restoring identical material, and everything I added was properly sourced and cited. Please do not template me again. If you have problem with my editing, drop me a note to join you at the talk page. Thanks. Tiamut^talk 20:31, 7 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You are clearly edit warring on that page, as is the other editor, whom I have also warned. You are at 3 reverts already, so it would be wise to stop. If you don't wish to be warned in the future, fine, I'll proceed directly to the appropriate noticeboard, citing this. Mr. Hicks The III (talk) 20:34, 7 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Please do whatever you think it appropriate. I reverted once to the text that has been in place for months after Tallicfan20 altered it to delete important information and introduce weasel words and unsourced editorializing.[3] He reverted to his verson, saying the links cited in the original were dead.[4] I added new links and wrote a new text.[5] He reverted to restore the original text with the dead links.[6] I restored the material I wrote because the links were live (I could not understand why he would complain about them and then restore them after they had been corrected (that's one revert to another version).[7] I left a message on his talk page asking him to discuss his issues there and at Ethnic cleansing.[8] (He deleted that message [9]) He came to the talk page only there; I answered his questions. He asked some more questions; I answered again. He added the author's name to the beginning of the sentence I wrote, and I have not touched the article since. If you think that warrants me being templated and reported, by all means go ahead and do so. Tiamut^talk 20:55, 7 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Deligted that you have started this article, as Ash mentioned; there is a lot of stuff about the village over at User:Huldra/Sources#future article: Al-Majdal, Tiberias, District of Tiberias --I´ll start adding ASAP, (I´ve made a whole cat. over at commons with pictures of the village!) take care, my dear, Huldra (talk) 22:33, 8 August 2009 (UTC) PS, I´ll be delighted if you start any of the other articles there, too. ;-) (less work for me....)[reply]

Ok, I have added some stuff...there is still more to add from Khalidi (about the modern times) and Petersen (about the shrine)...but I´m done for tonight. I think you should nominate it for DYK ..I don´t have a clue about how to do it, but I *do* have a "hook": "DYK ..that the Palestinian village of Al-Majdal, Tiberias, the reputed birthplace of Mary Magdalene, was depopulated in the 1948 Arab–Israeli War?" Good luck! Huldra (talk) 00:43, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Good work Huldra and Tiamut. This village was not apparently populated in 1596 since the maps of Hütteroth do not show a village at that place. Zero^talk 01:39, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I uploaded a bit of the 1870s map from the Survey of Palestine that includes Tiberias and this al-Majdal. Please use it where you like; and feel free to request more such maps. Zero^talk 02:29, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A "snippet" Google Books graciously allowed me to see of something called "Eretz Israel: jubilee volume of the Jewish National Fund issued in 1932" says "Migdal is a very large farm founded in 1911 by a group of prominent Russian Zionists". Cheers. Zero^talk 15:08, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

great work, Tiamut, and thanks, Zero0000. As for "hook"; I´ll accept anything you go for! I really do not have much experience here (I still haven´t ever nominated any DYK!) But, what about "DYK ..that the Palestinian village of Al-Majdal, Tiberias, located at the reputed birthplace of Mary Magdalene, was depopulated in the 1948 Arab–Israeli War?" ...if we say that it is located the same place, I don´t think it must implie that there has been continous habitation? Anyway, I leave this to you, my dear! (nice pictures from the place, eh?) BTW, I can see p 28 in the Pringle-book (where there is a lot on Magdala)...I cannot see the page you quote from Pringle....is the "Pringle" you quote the same one as I put in the "Bibliography"-section? Cheers, Huldra (talk) 19:08, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent! Huldra (talk) 20:46, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

your good will. cheers, Ori (talk) 19:16, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Your opinion on the 'Desicions and statements made at 6th Fatah Movement Assembly' section of the Fatah talk page is sought.--Jim Fitzgerald (talk) 07:56, 16 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Haaretz source for reference 35 is showing an error. I don't know how to fix the code. Thanks. Wikifan12345 (talk) 19:24, 16 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

On August 17, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Al-Majdal, Tiberias, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

{{User0|Orlady 08:14, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Hi. I appreciate your help expanding these stubs. The idea was that I started them in a set format with infobox and then work on filling them. I have now made 700 and counting edits working hard on these. I'm sorry I was harsh with Hulcha and that she and you disgree with the wa I do things but there is a set amount of work that needs to be done and people should be grateful I am helping you out, not attacking me. I would like every article like the DYK above eventually, but it is far better to have stubs that provide information on these places than 3/4 of the article enitrely missing and containing absolutely no account of them. This however is not good enough apparently as every article should be FA class immediately upon creation? As I insisted when I was first yelled at I will be fleshing these out over the next few days yet this was not good enough. It is now quite selfish that she will only return if they are deleted given that I am not taking the easy option and have already tackled a third of those I started. If I can deal with it.. As I have repeated I will flesh these articles out, Hulcha said she wouldn't minded if I had added a bit of information. This is what I am doing as part of stage 2. Why is their still a problem if in a day or all of the articles have information and a referenced and we have a full set? . Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 13:44, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Read the WP:Palestine talk page, I did this a while back... There shouldn't a problem given that the bottom of the template links to the others by district. I just want Huldra to stop being silly and make things easier for her so she doesn't have to look at the template. I find it massively too big too. I've created templates by district which would seme to make things much less stressful but am open to sensible suggestions... Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 17:46, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

BTW settlement is short hand for towns cities and villages anywhere in the world. Unless you want the headers to go on two lines and make the top really chunky.... Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 17:51, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have no objection to that, I've ordered e.g Category:Cities, towns and villages in Turkey and mos tother countries in a similar fashion. The reason was purely for condensing reasons, the header is very long....

P.S. see Template:District of Safad. I've included links at the bottom of each template so editors who wish to navigate to another district can click the link to the list page which is practically shaped like the old nav template in layout. I'm glad you know I am trying to help your project and am a lot more willing to do a lot more for you than you initally thought. I think you all thought I just intended to dump the stubs on you. Not at all, I want to see all of the articles like your excellent recent DYK which inspired me to create them. Believe it or not I want to see articles like that too, but they had to be started, otherwise we would be denying people even basic information. Regards Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 17:57, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Localities would be even better, it's shorter!! Thanks. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 17:59, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

P.S the pea soup green is an interesting color, I like it for this set of articles. However I had to change the text to white to show better on the dark green, hope this is OK? Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 18:04, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Cool. Wow you've written lots of really beautiful articles, I've read a number of them such as Palestinian costumes but didn't realise you were the author. Editors like you, Huldra and Ameerson have done Palestine proud on wiki!! I'm sorry that my stubs are substandard compared to your dedicated work, I can see you both want to attain the highest standard. I know stubs aren't too pretty but if they are fleshed out a little can be a useful start, after all, most of our articles started as stubs... I think it was just a conflict in quality and it suddnely alarmed Huldra that she would suddenly have over a hundred new articles to try to frantically improve and her head exploded. Believe me though my intention is not to "ban her from editing to wikipedia worse than arb.com" or something as she described me but it is to try to help your project in the long term and work towards a more fuller coverage. All I want to say is I am complete on your side with this project and I don't think your friend needs to think of me as banning her from wikipedia...I hope you can talk her around by email.. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 18:18, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I can understand a little how is disrupted her stride so to speak. The thing is, it really isn't a good idea either to base your organization around a massive red linked template and put it on the front page in front of millions and expect nobody to notice... If she wanted to build it on her own, it would have been best to either hide those missing links or delink them so as not to encourage mass content builders like me a chance to start them if it is not welcome... Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 18:48, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah I agree. Anyway I'll do my best to add to ALL of the articles I created. I added at least some content to about half of those I started now. Huldra did say "she wouldn't have minded if they had a bit of content". Well they all will in a day or two.... Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 18:59, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Can you check out Al-Qris Horkins. Can't seem to find it. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 19:23, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't care where she said it. I won't tolerate being spoken to like that. OK she is a saint. I'm sorry we've lost a saint, but her recent actions are not what you'd have expected then... Try to see it from my point of view that I put hours of effort into trying to improve this site and get spoken about like a piece of dirt behind my back. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 20:30, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

OK thanks, I've emailed you BTW. Sorry to bring up the subject... but I am human and have feelings. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 20:40, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• FYI : [10]. Good luck. 81.244.41.108 (talk) 17:11, 17 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Tiamut, please try and convince her to stay. Her departure would be a great loss of potential. --Al Ameer son (talk) 22:24, 17 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think some IP must have just put it there. I do have the Khalidi book, but I'm currently not home (will be in a couple of hours). I'll check when I come back. Thanks for pointing that out. --Al Ameer son (talk) 20:49, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Tiamut, Ameer, I went WP:BOLD and requested speedy deletion of this fictitious village. This has existed in the template ever since it was created (making it harder to track when it was added). I compared it against a list on another site (http://www.jerusalemites.org/crimes/destroyed_villages/34.htm), as well as PalestineRemembered, and there was a village missing (Zikrin or Thikrin). There's also a village that was apparently erroneously added to the list in the first link called Nabi Rubin. It would be a good idea to verify that no more fictitious villages exist :) --Fjmustak (talk) 01:32, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Marhaba Tiamut, I was working on an article about Rafiq al-Tamimi and I came across this bit in a book by Issa Khalaf [11]. On Page 140, it lists members of the Constructive Scheme's Administrative Council (founded in 1945). Canaan is listed one of the members. He is politically independent and a representative of Jerusalem. This might be a useful bit to add in the article, but I wouldn't know how and where to incorporate it. --Al Ameer son (talk) 04:26, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The council was founded by Musa al-Alami with the purpose of purchasing and developing the land of Palestinian villages. It was supposed to be funded by the Arab League, but I don't think the Arab states lived up to their word, as far as I can tell. I'm still somewhat unsure about its purpose exactly though. I say don't add the bit until we clarify what the Constructive Scheme was exactly. As for the villages, Palestine Remembered has an accurate listing, but the problem is they also include the existing villages in all of historic Palestine as well. But it's funny you mention it, because Zero0000 told me he had a list of all the villages. You should ask him if it's an online list that we could all see. Cheers Tiamut! --Al Ameer son (talk) 17:42, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Anyway I'll let it rest now and hope she will return sometime. I do hope that you and Al Ameer son will still speak to me. I had my reasons as did everybody to be upset. I don;t think Ameer son wants to talk to me again which is a shame because I like him and edits a lot. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 10:21, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Lol, Dr. B. I'm not angry at you and I will speak to and work with you. No worries, I don't get emotional on Wiki. --Al Ameer son (talk) 17:42, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, but you can see here the reason why I more upset about the attacks not from Huldra but from the others. It seems more people discredit me than actually realise what I do. When I am not paid to edit it I expect people in the community to be appreciative not attack me like Somey and the others did. To be honest it was more what they said, anyway. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 11:03, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, anyway are there any articles you are working on which you are trying to bring to GA/FA status? Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 11:11, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like some good articles could be written from those sources. Cool. I did have alook in google books as often they have books online, if I had a book I'd try to "provide the internet with new material" so to speak which is so important. Unfortunately my local library is very low key and poorly resourced. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 11:36, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What's more awesome is that you are in Nazareth!! Wow, I've read about Nazareth in the bible since I was a baby! To have quality (and nice) editors from such places is excellent on here, we definately more people from places like this to try to reduce bias on here towards US culture!! Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 11:45, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes my library is pretty bad really. It has like only a few books on African history like really generic ones like the Boer War for instance and about two books on beloved Tibet, which are pretty basic and cover nothing not already on the web! Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 11:47, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Awesome, ah that's soo sweet that you always feel homesick when leaving! Yep, I know what you mean about old shoes. I have a pair of battered black biker boots which I wear quite lot and were fit for the bin 5 years ago but they feel so comfortable and look cool! Unlike my sister who is like a shoe collector! You don't see too many Blue Suede Shoes about though! I wonder what our coverage of Nazareth related is? Do we have articles on notable buildings, places of worship etc? Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 11:57, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

We'll have to change that! Photographs of places and buildings are always extremely welcome! I have taken a few photographs of local places in the past like this! Bit dark but I love that church. So medeival, that is one of my favourite spots actually, it is very peaceful. I live in Barry, Vale of Glamorgan for the record! Hehe I've even permitted animals the right to use File:PorthkerryParkviaduct.jpg if they must... Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 12:09, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Me too! Hey you'd love Category:Castles in Wales. Many of them! My dad did us a painting of Castell Coch situated on a hill top! very picturesque! Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 12:43, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hello how are you! Hey you didn't tell me what you thought of the welsh castles! Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 13:45, 22 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Glad you are well. If you'd expanded on of those village articles you started expanding we could have nominated one for a DYK!One of them was almost there! Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 13:50, 22 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sure. Barfiliya I was thinking of. Just needs 2,000 more bytes. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 13:58, 22 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've also begun expanding Bashshit and yes I actually managed to find scraps of info in a book here to contribute. So why I may not have the books unfortunately in the flesh I can find some info in google books if I'm lucky. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 14:21, 22 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Of course, but it would be nice to get one or two! Maybe you can find something on Bashshit then? That book and Morris's looks like they contains a great of info on the subject. I think the coordinates of Bashshit were 31°49'29"N 34°44'54. Could you check? Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 14:31, 22 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have one book at my fingetips anyway, Morris Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 14:39, 22 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've nominated Bashshit for a DYK. Sorry it isn't an exceptional article but that was the best I could manage. If Huldra was here maybe it would improve further...

OK thanks. But I think it is probably one of the lesser notable villages. I noticed a number of other villages get much more coverage in Morris's book which I've taken some time to browse through.Some seem to still be missing articles actually.. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 16:03, 22 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You might also be interested to know I've contacted the archaelogists in Israel od the village and have requested they permit us to use some photographs of the village and any further info they have. I don't really expect a reply but you never know... Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 16:39, 22 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wouldn't it me awesome to eventually have a set of 531 GA articles on 1948 villages like Lajjun. Haha, maybe by 2050... I've co-nominated you and Ameer so far for DYKs anyway! Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 20:03, 22 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hehe, too little time to get accomplished what we want on here. Beleive it or not that is exactly the very reason I once resorted to creating very basic stubs because there is so much we aren't covering and not enough time to solely cover it all writing every article fully! Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 20:19, 22 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. Don't worry I'm not leaving wikipedia but I am abandoning my old account and starting afresh. As my edits were too numerous they couldn't move my account and I have my reasons as I am starting to refocus on the project and I don't want my quality edits getting hidden by "sub stubs" which I no longer create. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 10:21, 23 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thankyou! I was thinking of Himalayan Monsoon, but I thought that was a bit too much of a mouthful!{{subst:User:Himalayan Explorer/Sig}} (talk) 11:53, 23 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! I see, you're a Palestine, I love them. So you speak Arabic. I would like to request something from you. I'm a Hungarian wiki editor, my name is Norbert. It's a little bit out of wikipedia, it's a translation request. Soem years ago I wrote a (really) short story of a lonely man, who symbolizes the Saami nation, but actually, all the minority nations. We started to translate it into several languages. I love the arabioc, but we don't have this translation yet. Could you make me that. You could see the English or other versions here, and you can put the arabic version also here. Thank you! hu:User:Eino81 —Preceding undated comment added 11:36, 23 August 2009 (UTC).[reply]