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Since the Knoxville, Tennessee page is an overview of the city, would it be better if I created a separate page for the historic structures rather than have them on the main page? I could then do links from Knoxville, Knox County and Farragut. I'm the newbie, so I could use your input.--Baxterguy 12:22, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wow...this list definitely needs to be either moved to a separate article or significantly pruned down. If these locations are on the National Register of Historic Places, then I would suggest removing them from this article and placing them at List of Registered Historic Places in Tennessee#Knox County, which can then be wikilinked from the Knoxville article. This tidies up the page, and consolidates all of the Knoxville area and statewide locations in one place. Additional historic places that are not on the National Register, if they are actually notable in some way (being old doesn't imply notability), should remain in the Knoxville article. Also remember that it isn't necessary to create an article for every location, again, if it isn't truly notable. -- Huntster ^{T • @ • C} 15:34, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

So what should be be focusing on? I've been adding the TN Wikiproject template to discussion pages, any other major initiatives we should be doing? Anybody notice any areas that need work? --AW 15:36, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

At this point, I'd suggest raising the quality and citations of the major cities (Nashville, Memphis, Knoxville, Chattanooga), then secondary cities (such as Jackson, Murfreesboro, Clarksville, Franklin, etc). Of course, every person has their areas of specific knowledge, so just work on those things you are comfortable with. Any contribution is great. -- Huntster ^{T • @ • C} 16:17, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough. I do think we could use some more people though. i've brought in a couple, but the more the merrier --AW 17:01, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm more than happy to help in any way - I'm not as familiar as many on the subject, but I'm pretty handy with templates and fact checking. Ancjr 07:44, 22 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Today I went through all the links in the {{Tennessee}} infobox and added most of the images in the articles to the Category:Images of Tennessee.

Most ... Those few (about 10% of them) that were from the Wikipedia commons did not work. I could not add the images from the commons to the category, the category link would show up in red. So I left those out. I also did not add photos of people, however famous, or maps because they belong in other categories.

1 - What kind of images should be categorised as images of Tennessee and which should not? Are there Wikipedia standards already? And if not, what standards would be appropriate?

My vote: Yes for landscapes, buildings, streets, skylines, parks, other views. No for people, maps Unsure about satellite photos

2 - Should we put categorising images on the to-do list for the project? I guess people are going through the new articles anyway and in case they find appropriate pictures in the articles, they might as well be categorised in that same step of assessment.

My vote: Yes, put it on the to-do list

3 - Is it possible and would it make sense to categorise the Tennesse images in the Wikipedia commons as well?

My vote: I don't know how to but it would probably make sense

4 - Can it be automated by a bot to get a list of recently added images in articles about Tennessee that are tagged with the project banner? This is not helpful to work through the existing articles. But for the future it would be great to get a weekly updated list of images that have been added to TN related articles. So someone could go through that list of images, evaluate them compared to the standards and categorise them.

My vote: I don't know how to do it but it would sure be great to have it automated

Please put your vote or comment directly under the question signed with four tildes to avoid confusion in case there are many.

Take care

DoxTxob 23:51, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

On commons add it to Category:Tennessee. - Patricknoddy^{TALK (reply here)|HISTORY} 11:34, 21 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm adding this under the state routes because rivers were the first and for centuries most important way of traversing distances through long territories.

We don't think much about it now, but most of the early major cities were founded on rivers, often on the same places where Native Americans had communities or trading centers.

I think editors should look and always identify the rivers on which cities or towns were located. They were integral to history and settlement of TN and other states, to the connection of cultures across rivers, and to business interests - for instance, those states whose rivers ran into the Ohio also had business links to New Orleans and the Mississippi. --Parkwells 21:39, 25 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

At least in terms of categorisation, all bodies of water should be classified in one of the subcategories of Category:Landforms of Tennessee. Yes, they are historical routes, but for our purposes, bodies of water are simply treated as parts of nature. Now, in terms of noting which rivers run through or near which settlements, this information may be of best interest in individual town articles. -- Huntster ^{T • @ • C} 22:03, 25 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I agree that information about rivers belongs with towns or city articles. I wasn't thinking about categorization but about referring to them in places where it can be understood what part they played in the development of the towns.--Parkwells 17:47, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have found a few good articles for a project review.

Four articles have been added here for importance assessment (three FA class and one GA class articles): Wikipedia:WikiProject_Tennessee/Assessment#Project_review

And a nominee for a GA (good article) here, currently the article is B class: Wikipedia:WikiProject_Tennessee#Top-rated_articles

How can we discuss that best? Suggestion: Leave the list of requests on the project page, where it was added and mark the cases as done, when they are done. In case a discussion is needed, I would put that on the article_name/Comments page of the article itself, that's the page you get to when you click on Ratings summary page in the project banner. And on the project page I would link to the article_name/Comments page.

Or should we discuss it here and link to the discussion from the article? There needs to be a connection of some kind between the discussion and the article, I think. At least when it is about higher quality articles or articles of a higher importance for the project.

Does anyone have experience on how it's done best, most effectively and trasparent?

doxTxob 22:26, 27 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I made a locator map for Tennessee. Similar ones are in use in infoboxes in state park articles (for example Warrior's Path State Park) or city articles (for example Elmwood, Louisiana). I hope this is useful, Ruhrfisch 04:42, 9 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for that, we'll find some ways to use it. Good graphics are too hard to come by to let pass. -- Huntster ^{T • @ • C} 05:24, 9 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I was going through tagging some various articles with the Tennessee banner and also the Schools Project banner. I noticed something on there that seemed somewhat useful and might want to be considered for the Tennessee banner. If not actually showing it on the banner itself it could be a place for another category that it could add the article to. The banner had a parameter that would let you specify that the article needs to be moved and the suggested name to move it to. Thinking on it I thought we could use a category under the articles that need attention for articles that need to be moved or renamed. ~Dan9186 November 10, 2007 19:03 (UTC)

While that's easy enough to code, why not simply apply the {{Move}} template to the article? That is more visible and should draw more comments. -- Huntster ^{T • @ • C} 02:32, 11 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That is an option, however what does that do for tagging it in a maintenance category that is part of the project? That was my main goal with the suggestion. Is that not part of the point of the articles needing attention category? That way it is easier for people in the project to assist with Tennessee related articles that need something? ~Dan9186 November 11, 2007 13:55 (UTC)

I have just created the skeleton for the Portal:Tennessee. Technically, it seems to be quite easy to fill it with information. The contents from each box there are saved in a separate page and the contents rotate, so it does not have to be updated manually too often, once a certain amount of information is present. You click on the red links, create the respective subpage and save it. The boxes that are there now is the standard layout, that is how it comes out of the box, so to speak. If there is a box that cannot be filled, it can be taken out and new boxes can be added, each receiving the content from their own subpage.

There is lots of help at Wikipedia:Portal/Instructions, and for those like me who learn best from examples I recommend the Portal:Oregon as a good reference, or other U.S. State portals. For stuff like the layout of the subpages, and how the rotation of contents works, I am probably going to copy that in part from the Oregon Portal, whenever necessary. The Oregon portal has a good degree of sophistication without being too complicated. By default, portals at this stage are automatically marked Portal under Construction, so there is no hurry to complete it in a certain time.

There is certainly enough interesting information in the more than 2,400 TN related articles to fill the portal with some useful content that readers might like to start with when they look for something about Tennessee. There might even be a motivational effect for some editors to contribute to the portal, because it is an important representation of what Wikipedia has to offer about the State of Tennessee. All topics are still open, pick your favorite. Everyone is invited to join the effort! Every idea, suggestion and contribution is welcome. doxTxob \ ^talk 23:59, 23 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I inserted a "selected article," which went fine. I also created a "Did you know?" page, but somehow (probably as a result of copying an Oregon format that was not identical to the Tennessee template) I created a box within a box there... I hope someone cleverer than I am will fix it... --Orlady (talk) 20:32, 24 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Page tweaked[1], though I don't know if you wanted the "Archive – Start a new article" links inside that box or not. EVula // talk // ☯ // 20:37, 24 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't actually want anything; I was merely trying to fill in the blanks in a templated portal. (Sigh!) I think the box is normally supposed to display just one set of 3 "did you know" items, not the whole collection. I think the "Archive" link is supposed to be inside the box, and is supposed to link to the larger collection of "did you know" items. The "Start a new article" link was also inside the box as part of the template, but it is not particularly useful. --Orlady (talk) 20:51, 24 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, that's fun to watch what good information we have so far! It's almost done! Not really, but it is encouraging to see that some of the boxes are filled with a lot of good information. Im am pretty sure that it is not going to take long to have some presentable Portal with the best Wikipedia has to offer about Tennessee.

The "Start a new article" link in the "Did you know...?" box is really not placed very well. Good that it's gone! Although it is there for a reason. The main page "Did you know..?" items are exclusively from newly created articles. I guess it is meant as a motivation to start new, exiting articles. I have my doubts that that makes much sense on the main page but as Tennessee is concerned we should - like Orlady started it already - derive the "Did you know...?" from existing articles. And then the "start a new article" link would make no sense at all because there's nothing realted to new articles in the box. doxTxob \ ^talk 21:51, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

IMHO, a dynamic "did you know" feature based solely on new articles would require far too much maintenance for the small corps of contributors here. As I see it, this type of portal is an entry point to Wikipedia for people who aren't so much searching for information as browsing for it. Viewed in that context, DYK can be just one more way to entice people to read articles of possible interest. For what it's worth, the format in that section now is copied from Portal:Oregon, which does provide snippets from recent articles but does not invite people to "start a new article." ;-)--Orlady (talk) 22:25, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Along the same lines, I doubt that the "News" part of the portal is sufficiently maintainable to be worth including at this time. Evidence of that is available from the Wikinews Tennessee portal. Under "Latest News," http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Portal:Tennessee has one article from November 2007 and another article from April 2007, but those are the only articles posted there this year (most are from 2005). --Orlady (talk) 22:25, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I am not sure about the "In the News" segment. There is not really much more to do than check a few news sources for news about Tennessee during the week and have three or so entires in that box, once a week. That does not have to be anything to keep someone busy for long. I volunteer for that, for the moment. It would make the portal more alive to keep in touch with current events, without intending to replace the newspaper.

At the moment, it is all under construction but some great information has been collected already. Even if we are of the opinion today that something is not needed, let's add boldly but not delete too quickly. Look at the Portal:Kentucky, a lot of the TN project page was adapted from the Kentucky project. On the Portal:Kentucky, however, I saw that many of the topic-rotation features were switched off. That's fine if they want it like that but if you take that example only, you might never think of something else. If you did not know the wheel existed, you might waste time to re-invent it. Let's add to the Portal at the moment and delete unused stuff later. Under construction. doxTxob \ ^talk 03:54, 26 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There are some lovely images of state symbols in the box in the portal, but unfortunately at 30px they are too small to be seen. I'm thinking that the "state symbols" might work better in a separate box from "State facts" (a wider box) to make it easier to position the images near their descriptions. That's food for thought, anyway...

Yes, I know thay are too small to be seen, but there are a lot of images, too. This option is used on several portals to compile these state symbol images, so small that they can accompany the list. (I like it when the structure of different portals is similar) If your mouse pointer hovers over them, they at least show a short description of what the image is about. And if you click the link on the left it leads you to the correcponding article for clarification. For the moment I'd rather leave them like that. If there are exceptional images of state symbols we could put them in the featured images. doxTxob \ ^talk 07:29, 26 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Portal:Kentucky has a link in the Portal box to a more comprehensive list of state symbols, in a table with latin names and nice big images. We don't have that for TN. Would you like to create an article/list like that? An article to link to from the state symbols? Just asking, because I think there certainly is not enough room for larger pictures in the box. Just look at Kentucky symbols, with bigger photos, there's room for only two or three. doxTxob \ ^talk 08:03, 26 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As it happens, Tennessee has a general article about state symbols, but it needs work: List of Tennessee state symbols --Orlady (talk) 01:21, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Check out how Portal:Hawaii formats things. I really, really like the tabs at the top of the page, as you can place a lot of material in a cohesive manner on subpages. Have a separate page for state facts and symbols, for the categories, for the list of lists, and anything else you may care to subdivide. I may work up something and add it in later. Also, that banner at the top of the page looks very smart; thanks to User:HiB2Bornot2B for its creation. -- Huntster ^{T • @ • C} 18:00, 26 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Also, I have to register an objection to the image for limestone -- that's a microscopic image of structures in limestone that are not typical of our Tennessee limestone. Better images of Tennessee-style limestone are Image:Limestoneshale7342.jpg (just the top layer of rock in that photo) and Image:OrdOutcropTN.JPG, or any of the photos in Caving (those are all limestone caves). --Orlady (talk) 06:15, 26 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Just change it to an image you find more appropriate. All is under construction and if I hate your choice, I will change it back. ;-) The salamander is just a common salamander and not the Cave Salamander, either. It's a salamander, though. But for now, it's better than nothing at all. doxTxob \ ^talk 07:29, 26 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! The Portal:Hawaii navigation with tabs looks very good, it has advantages. Some of the links to information sufficient to fill a page is at the top op the page. It would allow some not too important stuff to hide in the background, still readily available.

My choice for tabs would be: Categories (they use up room on the portal) and the complete state facts (too many images and too small). A box with key information about TN should remain on the front page of the portal for the general overview, however. I will weed out the images and symbols there. Limit the state symbols to 5 or so, and maybe 2 or three images, smaller images but bigger than now. Leave the Governor and cut the Senators and Represantatives.

I added a link at the end of the portal state facts to List of Tennessee state symbols. I did not know it existed but that list looks like it could need attention. I copy the current contents of the TN state facts and symbols to the talk page of that list (Talk:List_of_Tennessee_state_symbols) so it does not get lost and reduce the content in the portal box. If done well, the List of Tennessee state symbols could be the next featured list candidate. Hey, is it right that the List_of_cities_and_towns_in_Tennessee would be the first TN related article to reach Featured status since the TN project was founded? doxTxob \ ^talk 03:56, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In the portal there are links to separate pages for suggestions of new topics. To reduce confusion and to avoid something being missed I am going to re-direct them to this talk page, I will leave a message on the portal talk page, linking to [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tennessee]] as well. I usually hate to split discussions off the article page (or portal, in this case) but I doubt that there is going to be unmanageable correspondence. doxTxob \ ^talk 00:51, 24 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have tagged the talk pages of all the portal related pages existing so far with {{WikiProject Tennessee|class=Portal}}, this makes sure that they all can be found in Category:Tennessee_non-article_pages, in case of an overhaul or just to keep track of it or get a quick idea about he number of sub pages there are for each topic. doxTxob \ ^talk 21:51, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This is the banner of the Portal:Kentucky and I love it. I have requested a banner for TN from the guy who produced this User:HiB2Bornot2B. One image, with flag and TN impressions in it. I would love that! doxTxob \ ^talk 06:13, 26 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The banner is created and in the intro. I love it! It looks pretty with the realiged images, the seal and the maps. I find that a very nice combination with the text. Take care, doxTxob \ ^talk 23:20, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The good news is that I put the first news in the box already. Not the most exciting news, probably, but something to start with. The bad news is that this does not seem to work automatically. But as I insisted to keep the box, I am sure willing to keep that updated if no one else does. More people guarantee a wider scope, though. I think it is still very easy to maintain. I have checked some other states, it's not meant to be a news ticker, most put in one or two news items a week. I watch the news almost every day and when I see something there, I put it in the next day or so. The news items all list an externakl link to a news website. So that's the only effort, to find a weblink, put in the new news item and archive one item. (I had trouble first putting in the box, the whole page looked crooked but now it's working). Take care, doxTxob \ ^talk 23:20, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I put in a box with selected TN anniveraries. Once all the months are filled with 5 anniversaries each, the work is done. The months change automatically to the current month and the name of the current month appears in the box title. Every month has a file of its own. I have prepared the files for all months already and adjusted the links for month to month navigation. All links have been tested, all work as they should. I also have created the "more anniveraries..." page for the link in the box, to get them all on one page.

There are no anniversarier in the pages yet. Maybe I find some anniversaries on the weekend, or if anyone has some in mind already, just fill them in if time allows. Take care, doxTxob \ ^talk 23:20, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I filled the topics box with some content, the idea was copied from the Portal:Arizona. Most of what I did so far was to replace "Arizona" by "Tennessee" lots of times. The remaining stuff might or might not be useful. The Arizonians only used categories in the topics. I am not sure about that limitation. Lists or articles would be nice as well. I left all the mess in so far, so at least the syntax is obvious and it is easier to add or replace information. I am going to improve it sooner or later. All help is welcome, as usual. doxTxob \ ^talk 01:22, 2 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Huntster, thanks a lot for preparing the tabs, that looks so much more sophisticated! (Sorry for messing with the pages while you were doing stuff, I was too excited.) Orlady, thanks a lot for picking some more anniversaries! Looks like all that is needed are a some more biographies and two or three articles, maybe.

Once that is done, we might see to get the selected articles and the bios to about the same length. That is, all articles roughly the same length as the other articles and all bios approximately the same length as the other bios. That would improve the stability of the portal layout and help eliminate empty spaces at the end.

When should we remove the "Under construction" signs? doxTxob \ ^talk 20:31, 2 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

1) If enough material is eventually collected a second line of tabs could be added (actually, just one more and I can make a row of two and a row of three). 2) When I have time, I'm going to try and see if the boxes can be dynamically load-balanced; that is, shift the smaller boxes left or right depending on how much white space is left. I don't know if it is even possible, but the fact that {{reflist|2}} can do this gives me hope. If it does work, then rewriting the articles and bios would be unnecessary. 3) It'll be under construction until everything is fully fleshed out, and even then, maybe not. Heck, look at Portal:Hawaii...it is quite nice and they still use the construction category. -- Huntster ^{T • @ • C} 20:47, 2 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

(1) I have tried a version with the Tennessee lists in their own tab and the Wikimedia in their own tab. These tabs are really a neat way to get more overview of the topic. Much more information is immediately available by scrolling or clicking. And the core information is right on the first screen. I like that. That makes them six tabs now, if you want to try two rows. (2) If it would be possible to balance the size of the boxes, that would be something. I have moved the "in the news" box to the right side for now. The selected article and bio look good on the left side, that provides for more room also. Would be nice not to have to check the length of the selected article or bio. (3) C'mon. I have seen portals that were not half as neat as this one and they were not under construction. But, you are right ... although, before fleshing out more it would be nice to have some more flesh in there. doxTxob \ ^talk 04:06, 3 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I had fun picking anniversaries for the list. Thanks for getting it started. I think it would be nice for a third person to add some more, as a third person is likely to have a third perspective on what's interesting/important to commemorate. Maybe there are some Revolutionary War-era dates (from Sycamore Shoals and/or Watauga), or the Bristol sessions, or more Civil War occurrences (such as the Knoxville Campaign), or the inauguration of the state lottery, or the founding of other educational institutions, or more birth anniversaries, or more sports dates... --Orlady 21:24, 2 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Or the bombing of Clinton High School in the aftermath of its being the first southern school desegregated under court order. Unfortunately, that article keeps being eviscerated. --Orlady 21:31, 2 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A third perspective would be great. Do you know anyone who would like to contribute? The controversial topis are interesting anniversaries, it might make people want to look up the facts. (I did not know that the material for the Hiroshima bomb was produced in Tennessee. Interesting!) If we happen to have too many anniversaries there is a solution for that, too. On a few portal pages I have seen a "what happened on that day" box with daily anniversaries. That's going to take a while, though, to collect them. doxTxob \ ^talk 04:06, 3 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The following lists contain redundant material.

• Counties in Tennessee
• County seats in Tennessee
• County name etymologies

Maybe the information could be consolidated in one list. I will put it on the TN Project to do list.

Take care, doxTxob \ ^talk 06:54, 24 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have placed a merge proposal on each of the three pages and have placed a discussion on the Talk:List of counties in Tennessee. There is a link within the discussion as well that might provide some help in formatting the merged list to a standard. I will try to begin work on merging the lists soon but I do not know how much I will be able to get done so I wanted to add some stuff to involve as many people as possible. ~Dan9186 November 26, 2007 01:37 (UTC)

Great work! Thank you so much for starting the talk pages/discussion and for your efforts on merging the lists of TN counties. All the lists have something in common, they all refer to Tennessee counties, but three are too many lists about the same topic, if presented in a collection of the best TN related lists. One list would be great, it would be perfect! All info about TN counties in one list. A few days ago the Portal:Tennessee was started, also featuring lists about TN topics. That could be the next list to reach featured list status for Tennessee and be linked to on the new Portal:Tennessee. You are invided to contribute quality information to Wikipedia Portal:Tennessee. doxTxob \ ^talk 04:38, 26 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have successfully merged County seats in Tennessee into Counties in Tennessee. This leaves County name etymologies to be merged which I should have done sometime tonight or tomorrow. After that if we want to establish the county list as a featured list then we will need to write up a decent header and fill out the remaining four columns Established, Origin, Population, and Area. I will see what I can do to fill those in but my time is limited right now as finals close in. ~Dan9186 November 28, 2007 16:55 (UTC)

Nice work (so far), Dan9186! Looking at the list, it occurred to me that an additional information element to be included in the article (perhaps in the lead section) is "former counties." I am aware of Tennessee County and James County, Tennessee, but there may be others. --Orlady (talk) 17:35, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have completed the merging of the three lists now. The two old lists have been set as redirects and the new list only lacks a small amount of info, all of which can be found on the Tennessee Blue Book PDF. I've also taken the liberty of removing the old lists from the portal so that only the appropriate one shows. I will also change the To Do list such that it reflects the recent changes. This should put the counties list very close by the way to being a featured list. We have all of the information readily available and it doesn't need much more. We might be able to get two featured lists back to back if all goes well. Also thanks for the help Orlady, I've been watching as some of your additions come up on the list and definitely appreciate every bit of it. -- Dan9186^{(T • E • C)} November 29, 2007 04:39 (UTC)

I was looking at the lists of other states and noticed the seats and etymology lists for other states are still intact even though the county list displays all of the same information in a format now similar to the Tennessee county list. Currently, I had replaced the other two lists with redirects to the county list when the information was completed on the one single list. My question is now that we have improved the county list do we want to maintain the other two lists or leave them as redirects? -- Dan9186^{(T • E • C)} December 3, 2007 04:01 (UTC)

I would leave them as redirects as they were placed on the merged lists by you, like it is currently. Keeping the lists not redirected, in my opinion, might encourage editors who do not know about the discussion to add information to the wrong list. That might make it even more difficult in the future to consolidate information. As far as I have seen, the etymologies are linked to from an infobox of county name etymologies, so the article itself should not be deleted. Good question to ask, though. Maybe we forgot something. Is there a reason not to redirect the list articles? Any other opinions? doxTxob \ ^talk 05:00, 3 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with DoxTxob. Once a combined list is created, best practice is to redirect the stand-alone lists, for reasons given. --Orlady 05:19, 3 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That sounds like the best course of action to me I wanted to make sure that I wasn't the only one. I guess do we need to double check over the what links here for those two lists to make sure everything is decent? -- Dan9186^{(T • E • C)} December 4, 2007 07:42 (UTC)

Yes, I agree, the links to the redirect pages from the "What links here?" should be corrected to point at the new list, so that the old lists are not linked to, to avoid double-redirects. That would be what I would do. doxTxob \ ^talk 22:05, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't believe many Tennesseans know the importance of this site. It is where Tennessee got its name. My biggest concern is that someone has changed the title of the page to something hardly searchable in the database. When anyone searches for Long Island, naturally, it pulls up Long Island, New York. No one would ever search for Long Island (Tennessee) or Long Island, Tennessee. First, it is not a city. Second, everyone knows the site as The Long Island of the Holston River.

There was other valuable information on the page but someone scaled it down to nearly nothing. Incidentally, The Long Island of the Holston was the first historic site to be named for Tennessee. I believe the name should be changed back to The Long Island of the Holston River and that someone should definitely add more information to the page (e.g. The Battle of Long Island Flats and its significance). —Preceding unsigned comment added by HaroldKarey (talk • contribs) 05:32, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, the article title was renamed to a standardised format; that is, specific location with the state in parentheses. It is used all over Wikipedia, but that doesn't mean the former name isn't just as valid. Remember though that the old name still links to the article as a redirect, so it is still useful in searching for the article. Another point is, shorter is usually better ;) Second, the material was removed because it was copyrighted text apparently taken verbatim from the source. We cannot do that here. If you really want to preserve the original meaning of the material, it would behoove you to do some research and find additional sources for any key points. Just make sure those sources fall within Wikipedia guidelines, primarily Verifiability. Perhaps some of the other editors have additional suggestions and views? -- Huntster ^{T • @ • C} 09:59, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If there are concerns about no one ever searching for Long Island (Tennessee), why not create a disambiguation link on the Long Island (New York) page since it would be the most common of the two? Or if there is enough need for a dab page instead. -- Dan9186^{(T • E • C)} December 8, 2007 00:06 (UTC)

Any photographers (and by that, I mean anyone with a digital camera) that can make it to Nashville this Sunday at 6 pm, to photograph the final show of Jump5?

Details here: http://nashville.craigslist.org/crg/505941578.html

Let me know! -- Zanimum (talk) 18:16, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

While overhauling the Pinson Mounds article, I noticed that previous editors had copied several sections ad verbatim from the state park's website. I checked all 42 articles regarding Tennessee's state parks, and found that 8 had substantial material that had been copied ad verbatim from the parks' respective websites. The articles are: Big Cypress Tree State Park, Big Hill Pond State Park, Chickasaw State Park]], Meeman-Shelby Forest State Park, Nathan Bedford Forrest State Park, Pickwick State Park, and Panther Creek State Park. The parks' official websites can be found here.

Pinson is fixed, and I'll re-word the others shortly, but I was wondering how often this sort of thing occurs. Does Wikipedia have a policy regarding copying-and-pasting material from other websites into an article? Bms4880 (talk) 22:40, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]