rmhermen,

The Guys at Emperor's Clothes posted a financial reward for anyone that can get a Milosevic hate speach quote... so I guess that nobody has found one so far, otherwise, you should go for the reward, or put back the 'controversial' paragraph

Igor

Zocky, please try to work out NPOV issues about the article here on the talk pages, instead of just reverting the changes. Edit wars don't really help. I believe it's fair to present Serbian views in the article and I have no trouble believing that many Serbs actually do support Milosevic, although a survey or poll would be nice to go from the "hypothetical" to the "factual. --Eloquence

It's not a NPOV issue. It's an applicability issue. If anyone wants to discuss the trial of Slobodan Milosevic (and it's a controversial issue), they should create a separate article on it. This should, IMHO, contain primarily biographical information and provable facts. Zocky 00:29 Nov 27, 2002 (UTC)

Usually we try to avoid splitting stuff up too much until articles get too long. The trial of Slobo definitely deserves a separate article, but until someone is willing to write it, I think we should stick a summary into this one. --Eloquence

The trial of Slobodan Milosevic has very serious consequences in Serbian politics today - the views of serbs and consequences of it are PART of milosevic legacy - he is still active there by appearing in court. Many of the happenings in Serbia today (elections for instance) are very much influenced by this trial, so it is not irelevant

Tinulim

Clutch, please do not revert our carefully agreed on NPOV compromise without good reason. "Most observers agree that the trial is a travesty of justice" is certainly not true. Almost all media reports I've seen on the trial so far have rather accused Milosevic of being evil, misleading, using fake evidence etc. I'm not saying that this is true, just that we must attribute views properly. --Eloquence

Did you read BBC reports?

Milošević never said anything which could be classified as hate speech, and the fear of him in former Yugoslavia during the rise of Serbian nationalism was more a reaction to the actions of his followers than to any of his explicitly expressed views. He is not considered to a be nationalist himself, and had a bitter dispute with the Bosnian Serb government from 1993 to 1995— during this period the boundary on the Drina river, separating Bosnia from Serbia, was closed, and support for Bosnian Serbs was severely restricted.

I removed this as it is not true. Most people consider him a nationalist. Anyone have specific quotes from him? --rmhermen

First of all, Milošević is a first class demagogue. In the event that no one finds a shred of hate speech in what he publically said, that is simply the confirmation of the former statement. His rhetoric is almost flawless -- it takes such a man to persuade millions of Serbs to do what they have done in the 1990s. There are countless analyses of his rhetoric written in Serbian and Croatian media, it's a real pity that so little is translated to English.

Secondly, it is entirely possible that he is not a Serb nationalist, and that he did it all to make a profit and to secure his family's financial well being for the next several generations. For all we know, he may have done it all for kicks -- it is not inconceivable that a villain of this magnitude perpetrated the whole thing just to satisfy some perverted desire to commandeer the lives of millions. --Shallot 19:17, 27 Aug 2003 (UTC)

I have only the vaguest smattering of knowledge about this topic, but I'm pretty sure that "Bosnian civil war" is neutral, while "Serbian aggression on Bosnia" is not. Hence, I revert to original wording. Cyan 06:55, 7 Aug 2003 (UTC)