How and what would i have to do? thanks in advance. Iranian Patriot 19:22, 6 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Add your name to the main page Cdamama 14:33, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Should you be allowed to add colour to your name on this list? -- Purdonkurt 11:28, 19 May 2007

i would appreciate it if someone created a grammer problems section. that way i, as well as others, could find those articles easily and corret the mistakes in them, so that they look more professional. thanks in advance. also, with that new section, people can add on articles that they find, so they can be fixed. so far, i have corrected a number of articles, andi have no doubt that there are plenty more out there with a lot of grammatical mistakes in them.Iranian Patriot 16:05, 8 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. The WikiProject Council has recently updated the Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory. This new directory includes a variety of categories and subcategories which will, with luck, potentially draw new members to the projects who are interested in those specific subjects. Please review the directory and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. B2T2 15:19, 25 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Here are a few ideas for filling up empty sections on the portal:

• Life in Iran (article on culture,arts,cuisine, etc.)
• Selected Iranian
• Quote
• "In the spotlight" <- article about something in news

Let's try and make it a featured portal. deeptrivia (talk) 00:58, 15 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Islamic republic of Iran is listed under 'Empires of Iran'! this was pointed out when the Persian empire article was put up for 'featured articles'.. I think it needs a little fixing. --Kash 15:16, 15 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm willing to participate in this project and currently I'm disambiguating links to [[Persian]] . Could someone let me know what needs to be done in this project? Mahanchian 19:52, 19 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Should we address all the issues and try again? deeptrivia (talk) 23:44, 19 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think user:wikiacc is working on that one.--Zereshk 01:08, 28 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Do we need another page for Iran history stubs? I found a number of them which I addedd to {{iran-stub}}. Mahanchian 23:57, 21 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

These three users are on some sort of anti-Iranian crusade vandalizing all the Iranian and Persian related articles. We need to keep an eye on their " edit activities" as their intentions is not sincere but merely for the purpose of propagating false information.

Could we set a goal of this project as getting Iran to featured status? The original FAC nomination mentioned this WikiProject, and the article being featured on the main page would be a huge boon to Iran-related topics and certainly make Wikipedia a "premier resource" on Iran. (I am currently soliciting feedback; if there are no significant objections I will add it to the project page.) --Wikiacc (talk) 23:05, 10 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Done. --Wikiacc (talk) 22:08, 14 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Made these three userboxes, don't really know what to do with them, i use them in my own page, feel free to use them as well. --Darkred 22:45, 28 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Nevermind these 3, i put the boxes in the article page, achaemenid and parthian --Darkred 11:55, 30 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Is this wikiproject just for the English section, because if it's not I have noticed that the persian or farsi wikipedia doesn't have that many articles and it's ranked 38th out of all the wikipedias; very disappointing.

Can we possibly add that to our goals; to expand on the farsi wikipedia as well and maybe bring up the quality of those wikis (some of the main farsi wikis including Iran are extreamly short and/or poorly written)? Pedram-e 03:56, 11 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, sounds good to me, unfortunatly I cannot write in Farsi very well.Khosrow II 04:14, 11 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Neither can I, but I thought it would be good to let others who can right well in Farsi know. If we incourage them and do the same thing as we are doing for the English articles it might actually work. Pedram-e 04:24, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

We should make a complete list of all Iran related articles because I dont know all of them, and I'm sure others dont know all of them either. We need to have this list, so we can keep track of them and make sure they are all being watched. We also need this so that we can make sure that there arent any articles out there that we dont know about. For example, the Rasulzadeh article was full of anti Iranian propaganda till I came across it and fixed it.Khosrow II 15:55, 1 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Try List of Iran-related topics. Cdamama 13:19, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have started working on barnstars (see also country awards and Wikipedia:Barnstars) to be given for work on this project. Do people like this idea? Cdamama 12:44, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Here is one: Cdamama 13:08, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I hope you won't mind a comment from a farangi.

This has attracted my attention since I had a look at the article on Abbas Kiarostami. According to the Manual of Style on Arabic (WP:MOS-AR), which "proposes a guideline regarding the transliteration from the Arabic alphabet to Roman letters in the English Wikipedia":

"All Arabic articles should have a lead paragraph which includes the article title, along with the original Arabic script and the strict transliteration in parenthesis, preferably in the lead sentence. The article title, the Arabic script, and the transliteration should all be in boldface."

"Arabic articles" in this sense refers to any articles whose subjects are normally written in the Arabic script, so it includes Persian articles. In fact there's a special section on Persian on that page.

What this boils down to is that inn the first sentence the subject of the article should appear both in the Persian/Arabic script and in a strict transliteration which would enable you to reconstruct the original spelling (the example they give is Rezvan (the spelling based on pronunciation, used in the title & in the bulk of the article), which in the first sentence of the article would appear as رضوان and Riḍwán. Following this rule, the first mention of Kiarostami should use the strict spelling Kiyārustamī. By the MOS rules, even the transliteration given for Mohammed Mossadegh is wrong: it should be Muḥammad Muṣaddeq, not Moḥammad Moṣadeq. Of course this only applies to the first sentence of the article, in which the Persian alphabet is used: in the rest of the article Mossadegh is fine.

All this may sound rather pedantic—but you should decide whether or not to follow the MOS recommendations (or possibly to change them). It's the only way to ensure some consistency & uniformity in Wikipedia. NigelG (or Ndsg) | Talk 11:42, 24 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest we make a new guideline Wikipedia:Manual of Style (Persian) / WP:MOS-Pe. Sangak 12:33, 24 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If the transliteration used in the Mohammed Mossadegh article is wrong, that doesn't mean the MoS is wrong. Someone added it and he was wrong. If I was the one to add the transliteration, I would've used Muḥammad Muṣaddeq, since long sounds should use a u. The MoS, by the way, suggests the same (see Muhammad in the examples). I also just learned, if I'm not wrong, that the gh has a q sound in Persian, which is not true in Arabic; this makes even more convinced that a Persian MoS should be created. Good luck everyone! - Anas ^Talk? 17:27, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Due to the large number of geography stubs for Iran (nearly 800), Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting has just created 30 new stub templates, one for each Iranian province, and almost all of the Iranian geography stubs have been sorted using these new templates. At the moment, all of the templates except the one for Tehran Province feed into the main Category:Iran geography stubs - WP:WSS uses a minimum of 60 stubs as its benchmark for separate categories, and no individual province other than Tehran yet has 60 geography stubs. When each province reaches 60 stubs, it is likely that a separate category will be created for it. It is also possible that the three Khorasan provinces (which were historically one province until fairly recently) may be grouped together in one stub category, to reduce the size of the main stub category. A full list of the templates (most of which are simply in the form ProvinceName-geo-stub) can be seen at the top of Category:Iran geography stubs. Please address any enquiries on this, or requests for individual categories, to Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting. We hope you find the new stub templates of use to your project! Grutness...wha? 10:12, 5 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

For now, I think we should be working on the 10-12 provinces that are need of expansion. Ive listed them on the main page here.--Zereshk 00:15, 14 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Im also thinking that Afghanistan's provincial pages also need help. After all, Afghanistan, Azarbaijan, and the Central Asian Republics are all cultural satellites of Iran.--Zereshk 23:01, 15 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The Economy of Iran article needs to be formatted and then expanded. Any help would be appreciated. Aucaman^Talk 20:31, 19 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Could you, if you will, please have a look into the following dispute on the Zoroastrian talk page.

Talk:Zoroastrianism#Persian_vs._Iranian

Thanks in advance. Str1977 10:02, 6 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Could somebody please take a look at Fazlollah Zahedi, as the story of the coup appears to be at odds with what is said elsewhere (see Talk:Fazlollah Zahedi). Also, I'm surprised there isn't an article on the coup itself (I suppose Operation Ajax comes close). Rd232 ^talk 10:14, 6 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Im not competent to write on that topic. I know nothing about it. Unfortunately.--Zereshk 22:02, 6 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm considering putting Iran on the Article Improvement Drive to help get it featured in a more timely fashion--plus it'll be improved by editors who may not usually be around the Iran corner of Wikipedia. Soliciting feedback… --Wikiacc ¶ 22:40, 9 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Good idea to me.--Zereshk 04:57, 10 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Someone please check this out: Talk:Al-Khwarizmi#Persian_again.2C_huh.3F. An editor is insisting on removing all statements pointing to the Persian origin of Al-Khwarizmi, who he claims is an Arab in every way. Can someone cite a good reference? Thanks! deeptrivia (talk) 15:25, 27 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Please go through the article, and suggest how it can be improved further to raise it to featured status. I've put it on peer review: Wikipedia:Peer review/Jalal al-Din Muhammad Rumi. Thanks! deeptrivia (talk) 18:17, 4 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Can someone write this in text (Farsi script) for me? I am assuming it reads:

Mun tu shudam tu mun shudi,mun tun shudam tu jaan shudi

Taakas na guyad baad azeen, mun deegaram tu deegari

If not, please transliterate the above into Farsi script. Thanks! deeptrivia (talk) 05:31, 5 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Please show your support on the Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Greater_Iran page. --Houshyar 18:32, 6 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! I've just been working on improving the Barmakids article, and created the pages for some members of that family: Khalid ibn Barmak, Yahya ibn Khalid, and Ja'far ibn Yahya.

If someone here could go over those articles and see if there's anything that needs fixing, it'd be swell. I'm particularly thinking of the question of Persian names and transliteration. Any kind of feedback welcome :) flammifer^talk 13:08, 16 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

On a lighter note... there is an article on Muhammad Iqbal that is currently up for an FA. Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Muhammad Iqbal

In the event that the usual FA reviewers lack the appropriate expertise, it would be of great help if someone familar with this person could participate in the article evaluation. Many thanks WikiProject Iran! --P-Chan 01:14, 28 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

پیشنهاد اقدام برای مدیرکردن یکی از فارسی زبانان را در ویکی پدیا انگلیسی دارم تا از پُو هایی علیه ایران و ایرانیان جلوگیری شود.

zandweb 15:48, 8 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Please keep your communications confined to the English language. There is a Persian version of Wikipedia you know... --QajarCoffee 16:44, 8 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

For the record, I am a Persian-speaking administrator in the English Wikipedia, and will be able to help Iranians (and others of course) in matters that need an administrator's attention. You can always leave a message on my talk page. roozbeh 05:53, 2 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There are Farsi references in the article for Mahmoud Ahmadinejad which an Editor has placed the {{check}} tag on. I do not speak or read Farsi. Could some philanthropic soul who does read Farsi please check them? There are 15 of them total in the article. Vir4030 04:45, 25 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I checked all of them, and they all check out. --(Aytakin) | Talk 19:08, 2 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

due to the sassanid fear of christians durign their wars with christian rome/byzantium, they created a seperate church for the christians of their empire, which would make them more loyal. this church was seperate from that of the one in rome and the eastern orthodox church in byantium. i typed in persian church in wikipedia and it took me to the assyrian church page. should i create an article about the sassanid church?Iranian Patriot 15:30, 7 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. Personally I have not heard of this until now and I'll try to find some info so I can help too. --(Aytakin) | Talk 04:43, 8 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

ok, i created it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sassanid_church#Bibliography

I would appreciate it if someone could create redirects to that page when someone types in Persian Chruch or Iranian Church, etc...Iranian Patriot 20:28, 8 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

DONE! I made the redirects. --(Aytakin) | Talk 21:53, 8 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There are some inconsistencies in the article. The article talks about all Persian-speaking people as an ethno-linguistic group. But, the population data is only about Persians of Iran. See the corresponding talk page. Jahangard 03:16, 28 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, I think its about the Persian ethnic group, not the whole entire Persian speaking community, thus excluding Hazara's, Tajiks, etc...

IMHO, this should be moved to the article page Cdamama 14:33, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Basically, we need somebody experienced that knows about the incorporation status of cities and towns. Are they mingled (nearly the same)? That's what it looks like at Geography of Iran. Or are they separate, as in many eastern countries?

--William Allen Simpson 01:03, 16 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Members of Wikiproject Iran !

I'm making some maps of persian empires for the french WP, and i'd like to have a little help from you to translate those maps in english so you could use them in you articles too. So far, I've made 3 of them (sassanids, achaemenids and persia circa AD 1000), and I'm planning to do timurids, safavids, and qajars. All those maps are inspired from the world historical Atlas of G. DUBY (ISBN 2-03-521227-8), which is a reference here in france. For now, you can find them on commons: commons:Category:Maps of the Persian Empire. I've posted that help message without answer to Zereshk (but I don't know if is gone from WP or not) and Arad. Maybe it could be simpler if I tell more people about my project. You can join me on my Fabienkhan on the english WP, but I'm more active on the french WP here. If some of you could work too to translate the maps in persian, we could propose at least 3 languages for those maps on commons.

Felan tâ badan. Fabienkhan | talk page 19:00, 27 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Wikiproject Iran !

I was reading yesterday the article Iran-Germany relations and I was quite surprised to see a few points which appear not to be accurate and anachronic (germany only became nazi in 1933):

• "By the late 1920s, Reza Pahlavi openly began advocating ties with Nazi Germany"
• "The shah became a stalwart admirer of Hitler, Nazism and the concept of the Aryan master race. He also sought the Nazis' help in reducing British petro-political domination."
• "So intense was the shah's identification with the Third Reich that in 1935 he renamed his ancient country Iran, which in Persian means 'Land of the Aryans' and refers to the Proto-Indo-European lineage that Nazi racial theorists and Persian ethnologists cherished."

I feel there's like a problem in this article. If someone could reviem it and change to accurate situation at that time, I would be grateful, I'm too busy for now with giving fr:relations franco-iraniennes a FA status on the french WP. Thanks a lot !! Fabienkhan | talk page 12:33, 6 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Can we concider adding the Afsharid dynasty to the expansion list. It's in a serious need of developement, and it has not had any attention payed to it for quit a long time; it is also a stub. Pedram-e 04:41, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The two biggest industries/companies in Iran have very poor articles. Those companies are Iran Khodro and Iran Air.

Can someone check these wikis out and see what needs to be done? thanx Pedram-e 23:28, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Under the good article section of the WikiProject Iran, History of Baku is listed (and is the only article listed), but after looking at it, it has been removed from the good articles list.

Because of this I have added it to the Top Priority list. Pedram-e 23:57, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I read some of the articles which relate to this project. Unfortunately even the main articles like Iran are full of text without source. So I propose introducing reliable sources in different issues to members of this project.--Sa.vakilian 07:53, 17 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've no idea who and when first named it "Iraq" but s\he absolutely made a painful mistake, these two country are fundamentally different, Iran and Iraq are not related as non-middle easterns (may) think, I think as described here: Eraq, Iraq should change its latin name, and we've to start this issue, I don't know how, but I'm definitly sure that, this's similarity is painful for everybody who knows even a little about Iran(Persia)'s glorious identity. Sasanjan 18:22, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

We should create an article for the 2,500 Year Celebration of persian history. This was a great landmark and I think it is quit important. Anythoughts? Pedram-e 01:14, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've been thinking the same too. I have lots of info, pics anf videos about the topic. I have also the video of Mohammad Reza Shah's historic tribute to Cyrus the Great at the celebrations. We should make it. --(Aytakin) | Talk 16:47, 1 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, our darkness-follower neighbours have been stolen another Persian heritage, our horses !. Yes excatly beside trying to steal our scientists, our Persian Gulf, our poets, they still want more, Arabian horse article is based on NOTHING but Persian horse. So I've created Iranian horse article, and I'm so ashamed why other Iranians didn't care it before me, anyway, I'm too busy to expand it, it's you who I expect help from, please find more references, more pictures (e.g. from here [1]), more content for this article and meanwhile care about vandalism.Sasanjan 11:00, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Iranian horse articles deleted because of copyright issue, I'll solve this problem, you just try to find more content ... thanks ...Sasanjan 11:15, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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There is a mistake in the {{Persian arts}}. Folklore is linked to Persian mythology, but it's wrong. Folklore contains songs, dances, tales and many other things and it's not equal to mythology.--Accessible 07:58, 7 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think we should make an article about Iranian Folklore.--Accessible 08:03, 7 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I stumbled across the article on Mohsen Sazegara and noticed it needed some work. I gave it a thorough rewrite, and was hoping someone could take a look at the article. Iran is not my area of expertise, and I'm hoping to get some feedback on the work I did to the article. Thanks. Pepsi2786 11:23, 11 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Under "Islamic Revolution and Contemporary Iran"

Can someone look at the 2 segments in [brackets] below and

Clean up what must be an unfinished edit of the phrase below:

Women, African Americans and one hostage diagnosed with multiple sclerosis were soon released.[In contrast U.S. blocked Despite attempts] made by the administration of US President Jimmy Carter at negotiation and rescuing the remaining hostages through such methods as Operation Eagle Claw, Iran refused to release them and threatened to put the hostages on trial for espionage.

And clarify - or just eliminate this one:

However, this exchange never took place, and after 444 days of captivity, embassy employees were finally allowed to leave Iran and return to the United States on the basis of Algiers declaration [in which U.S. hasn't released the properties of Iran].

IMHO, this should go under the article page.

Although it talks little about Iran it mentions some very important points relevant with Iran. There is also one interesting part about why and how tea was introduced to Iran/Persia

The War in Afghanistan: Drugs, Money Laundering and the Banking System http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=NAZ20061017&articleId=3516

I was wondering if this wikiproject group could start on creating the Persian Empire Provinces page and created a page for each province, similar to Roman province with all of its provinces. Chaldean 04:42, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Could someone please upload the ensign, jack, or emblem of the Iranian Navy? Thanks! Blast 31.03.07 1928 (UTC)

A move request here about whether Norouz or Nawruz is the better title has stalled. Please give reasons for and against each title there. The move has been re-listed at WP:RM and will remain open for at least 5 days from now. --Stemonitis 08:42, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Systematic vandalism on Iran-related articles reported: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#User:Aucaman_and_User:Heja_helweda_and_User:Diyako

Your comments would be appreciated

Please be aware that the article Persian Empire is being regulary vandalized by an unregistered user (see the various ip addresses). The edits appear to be designed to undermine the idea of Iran being a continuous nation or civilization. Here is an example of one of the edits:

Successive states in ancient Iran are collectively mislabeled the Persian Empire by some Western historians regardless of the fact that succesive states had little of the continuity that would be ascribed to a singular state; the language, forms of government, state religion, military culture, capital city and economic system changed every time a new centralizing authority arose upon the Iranian plateau.'

The editor is most likely attempting to create a pretext for seperatism. --Houshyar 04:20, 5 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Based on the edits, I believe that the ip vandal is Bockspur. --Houshyar 05:42, 5 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

In light of the above and recent occurences, the way to deal with these people is to take them to ArbCom. I think we have a case to ban them from Iranian articles based on their obsession with dismantling Iranian articles. We did this once with another user. He was banned permanently from editing specific articles.--Zereshk 00:07, 7 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with the decision to refer them to ArbCom. They must not be allowed to continue their lies and propoganda. They have never posted anything factual. They just post their own opinions and that is unacceptable.

Please bookmark this page, for daily updates on the status of the Iran-related articles. Read notices posted by others or add your own notice by updating "Urgent view". --ManiF 15:52, 11 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

See his webpage about his Farsi comments. Someone get Admin involved with him. Also he is vandalising the Kurdish article saying the Kurdish flag is criminal in Iran and using random/fake webpages. They say nothing about flags. See his talk page and also the Kurdistan article. I clearly warned the editors on the fake sources and fabrication. ADMIN NEEDED. 69.196.139.250 02:06, 20 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Read my talk user:Manik666 page and the Kurdistan talk page and archieves and you will have user:Diyako busted and proof that Heja and Acuman are biased have an anti-Iranian agenda. Go to my talk page and read Harassment. Manik666 05:14, 20 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

MPatel and I have been working on articles on ziyarat and ziyaret, or Muslim pilgrimage and places of pilgrimage. Help is requested on ziyarat, to explain the usual procedures at shrines, especially Shi'a shrines, and on ziyaret to get a list of pilgrimage sites in Iran. PD and CC pictures would be particularily welcome. This is a chance to educate people in the beauties of Islamic and Persian architecture and gardens. Zora 13:05, 20 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Here is a direct quote: Watchlist this article and follow some of the things in the discussion page. Same with Persian Gulf naming dispute. AucamanTalk 06:21, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Also here quotes by user:Ahwaz

If you get into any dispute with the Persian chauvinist gang over content, they will not compromise and start making allegations, the favourite being: anti-Iranian, anti-Persian, Jew, Israeli, separatist, terrorist, "want to break up Iran", and all that crap. They are free to say this without any admin interference. When I tell someone to blow their nose, there is a big furore and the admins take action. Wikipedia is a pile of rubbish and the people that run it are donkeys. The code of conduct is there for powerful gangs to impose their agendas. If five people are against two or three, it does not matter how many times you revert they will always have their point of view imposed on articles. Why spend time on this nonsense? Even the media is now showing up Wikipedia's failings. No serious academic is involved (oh, there's the "genius" Zereshk, who knows everything about nuclear engineering, quantum physics, architecture, philosophy, poetry, religion, linguistics, medicine - you name it, he is the self-appointed expert - and he still finds time to run edit wars and insult people). Ask yourself why. Because no serious academic takes it seriously. It is rubbish.--Ahwaz 11:43, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

69.196.139.250 00:34, 6 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Are these okay edits on the part of this user?

[2]

[3]

The Azari-related articles are all massivly being deviated. Everyone should get proactive. 72.57.230.179

Here is an example; on the Safavid talk page that was made by Iranian Editors, the label of this group is missing, but the Wikiproject Azeri label has been placed instead as shown here [[4]]. In other articles they try and erase any trace of Azarbaijani links with Iran and try and push an agenda where Azaris are disciminated against in Iran. They will attack other editors if they say that Shah Ismail I is an Iranian. They say that Azarbaijanis want to seperate from Iran and so on. I have tried to take this in good faith, but they are now disrupting numerous Iranian articles. 69.196.164.190

The Khorramshahr page has been vandalized. An important city like this needs a more correct and respectful page. Nokhodi 04:33, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for informing me. I have corrected it and moved the page back to khorramshahr, where it belongs.Khosrow II 05:00, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Why there is nothing about the Kurds on the Open Tasks? Kiumars 14:41, 9 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Because some self proclaimed Kurdish users insist that Kurds must be separate, and are not Iranian.--Zereshk 16:36, 9 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

well, considering that most kurds do live outside of iran, it does makes sense that they have their own wikiproject. however, iranian kurdistan should also be represented in wikiproject iran.Iranian Patriot 16:48, 9 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Look at these; they are well documented. This is the place to keep your eye on... http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=newsHighlights&newsId=18 http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=N20060921&articleId=3299

All Iranian related articles are being attacked by user:Acuman, user:Diyako, and others with objectives very similar to the Israeli governments. Saying Kurds and Jews are one!? Saying Iranian is not an ethnic group!? Saying Khuzistan wants independence!? Saying Balouch are not Iranian!? Saying Kurds are ashamed to be called Iranian!?

Protect the truth becuase today the attack defintions to set the grounds for tommrows wars and problems. 69.196.139.250 02:22, 16 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Exactly, it shouldn't all be about the Persians. That's why I changed the introduction at Norouz to make it acceptable to all groups, including the Kurds. I got it from here. Let me know what you think. --Khoikhoi 21:08, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Would you like to do the merge? I feel that if I do it I'll mess it up. What do you think of the new intro? --Khoikhoi 21:15, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I don't think the Iranian editors will agree with you on this. I changed the intro to include the Kurds, so what makes the Kurdish version so different that it needs its own article? The Russian version of Christmas doesn't have it's own article. --Khoikhoi 21:25, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

The russion version of christmas has not its own article has nothing to with the Kurdish Newroz article. Kurdish Newroz is different than Farsi Norouz and deserves its own article. also farsi users have their own pov who may claim Adam and Eve were farsi or as they say Iranian. If you still think the POV of some farsis is more important for you then you can nominate the Kurdish Newroz for deletion. Sure there are more neutral wikipedians than you farsis.Diyako Talk + 21:30, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

But you haven't explained to me what makes the Kurdish version so different. Please do. And why do you keep calling them Farsis? Are you aware that this term is deprecated because it has Arab origins? It seems that you're doing it to provoke them. Have you seen the website No more "FARSI" !!! ? --Khoikhoi 21:33, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

I looked at the article and I couldn't find it. Secondly, in the English language we use "Persians" to refer to them, not "Farsis". And what do you mean you know me? --Khoikhoi 21:42, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

There was a warning issued about the use of "Farsi" and I think you are trying to be disrespectual and provactive with the term Farsi and Farsi Noruz. COnsider this a warning. Secondly there is no such thing as Farsi Noruz. There is only one Noruz which is celebrated by all Iranian people and people of Iranian culture. You stated Nevruz was similar to Noruz. NO IT IS NORUZ, just in another language. 69.196.139.250 21:44, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm neither Turkmen nor Kazak, I do not knwo much on the turkic nevruz but that turkish cultural source states shows how they are different. their only similarity is that they are on beging of spring.

Also the word Farsi is more accurate than Persian. Farsi is the name of modern persians i provided a dzen of sources in the talk page of Persian people.Diyako Talk + 22:07, 19 March 2006 (UTC).Diyako Talk + 21:49, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Who am I then? Send me an email. --Khoikhoi 21:57, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Nevruz is Noruz just a different langauge. And all the states you cliamed have registered to have it recognized along with Iran and Iraq (representing Kurdistan) as one clebration under the name Nowruz to UNESCO. There is no need for this article. Becuase the subject people's official governments recognize it as being the one and same as Nowruz, which it is in relaity, and have made join motions with Iran on the issue.

Here are your verifications.

• http://www.payvand.com/news/05/apr/1107.html

69.196.139.250 22:31, 19 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

All the beheadings, murder of foreign reporters, mosque bombings, and terrorist activities in Iraq are committed or sanctioned by Anglo-American occupation forces or Israel. Israel is very much so involved in North Iraq that is why there is new claims that Kurds and Jews are one and the same race by Israelis. This has resulte din an alliance between a very small minority of Iraqi Kurds and Israelis. Connect the dots with what is happening from Iraq to Iran.

Here is proof:

British Special Forces Caught Carrying Out Staged Terror In Iraq?: Media Blackout Shadows Why Black Op Soldiers Were Arrested: USA, Information Liberation [[5]]

Britain "apologizes" for terrorist act in Basra; Rescue of SAS men who were planning to place bombs in Basra City Square: Global Research.ca, Center for Research on Globalization [[6]]

The next link is photographic evidence taken by Iraqi Police, before British Military attacked police station and freed the British terrorist operatives. [[7]]

Caught red-handed: The Raw Story, North America [[8]]

Troops free SAS men from jail: The Telegraph, United Kingdom [[9]]

Iran accuses UK of bombing link: BBC, United Kingdom [[10]]

Basra council severs relations with British: Daily Star, Lebanon [[11]]

Basra Council Cutting Ties with British: China Radio International (CRI), China [[12]]

69.196.139.250 04:06, 9 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It is sad but Iranians and other Middle Easters are being targeted by editors supporting an aggresive Israeli drive and policy of creating war in the Middle East and region. User:Acuman tried to repress and hide what I said because it exposed the ugly nature of his objectives.The following is a series of messages I posted to this user who is editing facts about Iranian leaders and clerics and Iranian culture and Iranian history. Trying to paint a picture of Iran in the worst way and cause discord between Iranians. He has claimed that Kurds are not Iranians or that Aryan is a fictional and un-academic term. Anways please read;

May I ask you how you are an expert on such topics as scholars from the Middle East and their biographies or the Persian Gulf, and Kurds? 69.196.139.250 22:14, 6 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, ya I also cited your statments about the fact that you wanted to cite that certain Muslim clerics have okayed sex with animals and children. How do you justify this statement and thought and even treat it like it could be true?69.196.139.250 22:16, 6 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

IN reply to you this is what I observe, alongside others....

These are your direct quotes on the Khoemini discussion page ;

I had seen some literature out there suggesting that Khomenini approved of sex with children and animals. Now someone has added some of these claims into this article. I'm not going to take them out, but the article is going to receive a dispute tag until these information are verified. AucamanTalk 04:23, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Here is a direct quote from you to user:Pecher; I've added some stuff about Khomeini's views on non-Muslims, but people might try to take them out. Could you keep an eye on that article as well? AucamanTalk 14:02, 30 March 2006 (UTC) This is verified on user:Pecher's talk page.[reply]

What is all the interest you and Pecher have on Khoeimini and other Iranian clerics. Also your articles on Ahmadenajid all show a disturbing trend that you are trying to paint some sort of picture. It is like connect the dots.

Here are a list of articles you have worked on;

• Human rights abuses by the Iraqi insurgency
• Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Israel
• Controversies surrounding Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
• International reactions to the Jyllands-Posten Muhammad cartoons controversy
• Opinions on the Jyllands-Posten Muhammad cartoons controversy
• Greater Middle East
• Turkish Kurdistan

Major contributions

These are the pages you have made major edits to (or am working on right now):

• People of Turkey
• Kurdish people
• Turkish people
• Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
• Ayatollah Khomeini
• Ayatollah Khamenei
• Middle East

Wow human rights abuses in the Iraqi insurgency! Very odd and specific topic! Ahmadinejad and Israel! The Mohammed cartoons. All your edits really benefit in making Israel look good compared to the rest of the Middle East. Answer me this are you an Israeli citizen too? I think you are on an agenda. All your edits against Iranians (from Kurds to Persians,etc.) since Iran is seen as the biggest threat to Israel and all your other edits in the Arab fields. Also trying being a force in tension between Arab and Iranian and Turkish editors. All at the benefit of Israel.

69.196.139.250 02:17, 7 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

==Watch this user he is mobilizing Arabs, Iranians, Turks, and others against each other. Anyway that he can demean Iran and the Middle East he does.

69.196.139.250 04:12, 9 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Azeris are mixed of Armeno-Iranian heritage:

Testing hypotheses of language replacement in the Caucasus: evidence from the Y-chromosome

Nasidze I, Sarkisian T, Kerimov A, Stoneking M.

Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology, Inselstrasse 22, 04103, Leipzig, Germany. nasidze@eva.mpg.de

A previous analysis of mtDNA variation in the Caucasus found that Indo-European-speaking Armenians and Turkic-speaking Azerbaijanians were more closely related genetically to other Caucasus populations (who speak Caucasian languages) than to other Indo-European or Turkic groups, respectively. Armenian and Azerbaijanian therefore represent language replacements, possibly via elite dominance involving primarily male migrants, in which case genetic relationships of Armenians and Azerbaijanians based on the Y-chromosome should more closely reflect their linguistic relationships. We therefore analyzed 11 bi-allelic Y-chromosome markers in 389 males from eight populations, representing all major linguistic groups in the Caucasus. As with the mtDNA study, based on the Y-chromosome Armenians and Azerbaijanians are more closely-related genetically to their geographic neighbors in the Caucasus than to their linguistic neighbors elsewhere.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=12596050

So, both the mtDNA (female line) and the Y-chromosomes (from father to son) seem to prove the fact, that modern Azeris are predominantly Turkic-speaking Armenians and Iranians. Their DNA has Europeana and Middle Eastern traces, but not Eastern Asian ones , which one would assume if they really were Turks. 72.57.230.179

Please take a look at it and work on it.Azaris are an important part of Iran/Persia. 72.57.230.179 21:57, 10 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Azaris are culturally, ethnically and historically Iranian; that said here is acadmeic fact.... Here are more sources that prove a lot of what you are saying is misinformation. http://www.rozanehmagazine.com/NoveDec05/PARTIIAzar.html

The pan-Turanian theories discussed in Part I represent only a part of the picture. There is a whole set of beliefs being narrated about Iranian Azerbaijan in both the Republic of Azerbaijan and the Turkish Republic. They are using the Turkish language as an instrument to differentiate Iranian Turcophones from the rest of Iran. Some of the pan-Turanian claims to Iranian Azerbaijan can be summarized into the following:

(1) Greater Azerbaijan was divided between Russia and Persia.

(2) Azerbaijanis have spoken Turkish since the advent of History.

(3) Turks have been in the Caucasus for over 5000 Years.

(4) The Safavid Empire was Turkish.

(5) Sattar Khan was a pan-Turanian separatist.

(6) Babak Khorramdin was a Turk who fought against Persia.

(7) Azerbaijanis and all who speak Turkish are Turkish by race.

Before discussing these items, an important point must be revisited. Pan-Turanian claims to Azerbaijan are supported by a very powerful western lobby in the form of multinational and geopolitical petroleum interests. These hope to access and dominate the lucrative oil bonanza looming in the energy deposits of the Caucasus and Central Asia (see Part VI, items 1-3).

(d) Mr. Mohammad Amin Rasulzadeh. A leading proponent of Arran’s name change was Mohammad Amin Rasulzadeh (1884-1955), the first leader of the newly created Republic of Azerbaijan (see photo below). Rasulzadeh was of Iranian origin from Baku, and was in fact heavily involved in the constitutional democratic movement of Iran during the early 1900s [xviii] (see Sattar Khan in item 5). Rasulzadeh was in fact the editor of the newspaper Iran-e-Now (The New Iran). Russian influence and coercion finally forced the Iranian government to expel Rasulzadeh from Iran in 1909 (?); he was exiled to Ottoman Turkey, where the Young Turk movement had gained power.

By the 1930s, Rasulzadeh’s writings revealed his full conversion to pan-Turanianism:

(a) At first he admitted that “Azerbaijan” (Arran and Azerbaijan in Iran?) was an ancient Iranian province that had been linguistically Turcified since at least the 13th century.

(b) He then rejected his previous writings and declared that Azerbaijan (both Arran and Azerbaijan in Iran) had always been “Turkish” and was never historically an integral part of Persia [xxiv]

Rasulzadeh had betrayed his Iranian heritage in two ways. First, he failed to fulfill his promises to Iranian Azerbaijanis to rectify the name change he had bought for Arran (at pan-Turanian behest). Second, Rasulzadeh adopted a false, divisive, and racist ideology. Rasulzadeh’s legacy continues to haunt the Caucasus and Iran to this day. That legacy has also provided an excellent tool for geopolitical manipulation.

After his arrest and expulsion from Russia, Rasulzadeh settled in Turkey, where he died in 1954 (see his funeral in Turkey below). Rasulzadeh established the “Azerbaijan National Centre” in Turkey, a movement which at the time was organized for the purpose of opposing Soviet rule in Arran (modern Republic of Azerbaijan).

c) Linguistic Turkification. The process of linguistic Turkification was reinforced with the arrival of the Mongols in the 1200s, and their Il-Khanid dynasty in Persia. Tamerlane’s descendants, the Qara/Kara-Qoyunlu (Black Sheep) and Ak/Aq-Qoyunlu (White Sheep) also ruled Iran. It must be noted that the Turkish migrants became absorbed into mainstream Persia, and they greatly patronized Persian, arts, culture and literature. Turks as whole have been tremendously influenced by Iranian culture – a prime example is the Moghul Dynasty of India, of Turkmen-Mongol descent. The Moghuls promoted Persian culture in India, a legacy which lasts to this day in modern India, Pakistan and Bangladesh.

By the early 16th century (see Safavids item 4), Azerbaijani Turkish had largely replaced the indigenous Iranian Azeri in Azerbaijan and had also spread to Arran. The Turkish language however, did not alter the thousands year long Iranian character and legacy of Arran and Azerbaijan. As noted in item 4, the Safavid dynasty, whose members spoke Turkish in court and introduced much Turkish vocabulary to Iran, considered themselves as the heirs of Persia and bitterly fought the Ottoman Turks throughout their reign.

In Persia, identity has never been delineated by singular, simplistic and narrow concepts such as “race”, “mother language” or even “religion”. Consider the following examples:

SafavidsThe aforementioned Nader Shah was an ethnic Turcomen and adhered to the Sunni branch of Islam. Karim Khan Zand (1705-1779) (see illustration below) and his partisans spoke Luri, a west Iranian language distinct from Persian and Kurdish. The Zands (like Nader Shah before them) were essential in preserving Persia’s territorial integrity after the fall of the Safavids.

(3) Turks have been in the Caucasus for over 5000 Years. FALSE

This is at best, a grandiose exaggeration. The real influence of the Turks begins with the Seljuks and Ottomans, and even then, the Turks are only one more layer upon an ancient region that has seen a rich and varied legacy. If anything, it is the Persian and (to a lesser extent), the Greco-Roman legacies that remain in the Caucasus. The Turks, like the Russians and Ukrainians certainly have their legacy in the Caucasus. The issue in question is the exaggeration of the Turkish role, now proposed by pan-Turanian ideologues.

The Caucasus is one of the oldest cradles of human civilization – a prime example being the proto-Kartvelian Hurrian empire (2500-1270 BC) which at one time ruled much of northwest Iran and contemporary Kurdistan. The Hurrian legacy is still evident among the Kurds who use the ergative feature in their speech – a phenomenon seen in modern Georgian. While the Caucasus has certainly seen its share of Persian, Greek, Turkish and Russian influence, she has in turn vigorously and profoundly influenced all of these cultures in turn.

“The oldest outside influence in Trans-Caucasia is that of Persia (p.203)…many of its populations, including Armenians and Georgians, as well as Persians and Kurds, the Transcaucasus had much closer ties with the former Sassanian world to its south and east than with the world to the west (p.204)”.[Whittow, Mark, The Making of Byzantium: 600-1025, Berkley: University of California Press, p. 203-204].

'(7) Azerbaijanis and all who speak Turkish are Turkish by race.'FALSE

(a) Ziya Gokalp. The notion of Azeris being Turkish because of language is based on the late Ziya Gokalp (1876-1924) who equated language with racial and ethnic membership: you are racially Turkish if you speak Turkish. This is a standard argument of characters like Mr. Chehreganli and his western geopolitical supporters. Gokalp was in fact a Kurd born in Diyarbakr. He is one of a long line of non-Turks who helped build pan-Turanian ideology (Part I, item 1).

By no means is the discussion in this item attempting to simplistically outline the complex (and anthropolically interwoven) Iranian and Turkish national, ethnic, and linguistic identities. Such a Herculean task would require volumes of text. Instead, we are clearly confining the discussion to the linear and (in my opinion) divisive concept of “race” – in the purely anthological sense.

The main weakness of Gokalp’s simplistic premise is his oversimplification of the complex interrelationships between ethnicity, nationality, language and historical migrations. His logic is that speakers of a language “X” must also be racially members of “X”.

Likewise, being a Turcophone does not mean that one is automatically Turkish or Turkic by race. National identity is based on a number of domains, only one of which is defined by language. Nevertheless, this simplistic logic (language = race) is being used to attack the Iranian heritage of the people of Azerbaijan and Iran in general.

National identity is multi-faceted. A Belgian could be either a Francophone (Walloon) or Dutch dialect speaker (Flemish). A Frenchman can be Basque (Eskuri) or speak an Italian dialect (e.g. Provencal, Corsican, etc.). In northern France, many of the inhabitants lay claim to a proud Celtic tradition (Brittany).

Many modern Turks hail from Bosnian, Georgian, Iranian (Persian, Kurdish, Azeri) Greek, Arab, Venetian, Slavic and Armenian backgrounds. Arabs are just as diverse – in the eastern Arab world, many have Iranian ancestry (Persian and Kurdish) – the Levant has seen multitudes of Hittite, Mittani, etc. settlers in its history. In the Western Arab world one finds a plethora of Christians (Greek Orthodox, Coptic, etc.). One can also trace much of the ancestry of modern Arabs to the earlier Semitic peoples such as the Akkadians, Babylonians, Assyrians (Aramaic-speakers), Syriacs, etc.

The Iranian ethnic mosaic is far too complex to even begin attempting to define it in the confines of this commentary. If we extend timelines back to pre-Aryan arrivals, we witness proto-Elamites in the Southwest and Southeast, and Hurrian arrivals from the Caucasus. We then have a long period of Iranian Aryan migrations onto the Iranian plateau and eastern Anatolia (many areas of western Iran and modern Kurdistan was already settled by Assyrian peoples). Arab settlers also arrived during Sassanian and post-Sassanian eras (a number of their descendants survive in Khorrassan and Tajikestan)– these are then eclipsed by subsequent Turkic and Mongol arrivals. The very overall sketch just outlined highlights how complex definitions such as “race” and “language” are.

Gokalp was not entirely wrong about Iran – there are a plethora of Turkic settlers who can trace their ancestry to the original Oghuzz (the aforementioned Nader Shah was a Turkmen). But even the identity of the Turkmen (meaning “very Turk”) is hotly disputed. There are claims of strong Iranic admixture within them. This is not surprising as Turkic and Iranic peoples have been intertwined in Central Asia for thousands of years. Even the Mongols who invaded Persia are said to have had some Iranian (North Iranic?) ancestry (see Turnbull in references).

The genetic ancestry of modern Turks is highly varied, mainly as a result of multiple migrations, wars and empires. While modern Turks (and a growing number of Hungarians) stress their genetic connection to Central Asia, scientific evidence fails to corroborate their beliefs. True, there are Turkmen Turks of Central Asian stock in eastern Turkey, however a large proportion of modern Turks have Balkan, Persian, Greek, Armenian, Kurdish, Azeri, Georgian, Varangian, and even some Celtic ancestry. The latter seems surprising; however the term “Ankara” may be derived from the Celtic “Ankyra”. The Galatian Celts appear in Anatolia’s interior after the Greeks defeated them in 230 BC. The original Turkic stock from Central Asia (some of whom live in northeast Iran today) have little or no connection to the European-type U5 cluster.

(c) The Analyses of Colin Renfrew.

Professor Colin Renfrew (see 1994 References) notes how Turkic languages spread by Elite Dominance:

“…incoming minorities…conquer other populations and…impose their languages on them. The Altaic family spread in this fashion…”[Colin Renfrew, World linguistic diversity, Scientific American, 270(1), 1994, p.118]

Genetic alteration can only occur as a result of one of more of the following:

[a] Sustained migrations across a long period of time

[b] Population dispersals by farming,

[c] Dispersals forced by climactic changes.

In general, the Turks did not arrive peacefully but as conquering elites who imposed their languages upon indigenous populations (Azeris, Arranis, etc.). Conquering elites provide very modest genetic changes to the indigenous populations that they conquer. However, they can alter the population’s language as result of their elite military and political dominance.

(d) The Cavalli-Sforza et al. Genetic Studies.

Renfrew’s studies have been corroborated by Professor Luigi Cavalli-Sforza (see photo below) and his colleagues, who have concluded the following after decades of genetic research:

“Around the third century B.C., groups speaking Turkish languages…threatened empires in China, Tibet, India, Central Asia, before eventually arriving in Turkey…genetic traces of their movement can sometimes be found, but they are often diluted, since the numbers of conquerors were always much smaller than the populations they conquered…(p.125)…Turks…conquered Constantinople (Istanbul) in 1453..replacement of Greek with Turkish ..Genetic effects of invasion were modest in Turkey. Their armies had few soldiers…invading Turkish populations would be small relative to the subject populations that had a long civilization and history…(p.152).” [Cavalli-Sforza, Luigi (2000). Genes, Peoples and Languages. New York: North Point Press. P.125, 152]

Hungarians are considered to be Magyar speaking Europeans – not an Asiatic Turkic people. In like manner, why are the Azerbaijanis (of Iran in particular) being forcibly re-defined as “Turanian” simply because they speak Seljuk Oghuzz Turkish? How can a single index (Turkish language) be used to virtually erase Azerbaijan’s mighty civilizational identity in Persia? Azerbaijan has been of vital importance in the development of Persian civilization, just as Hungary has been a vital element in the development of European civilization.

It is here were the barbaric aspects of “race criteria” break down. In Afghanistan we have the Mongol descended “Hazara” (lit. “The Thousand” in Persian) who now speak Persian, or the many people of Khazar Turkish-Jewish descent in Dagestan (next to Chechniya) who speak Persian. Conversely, Azerbaijanis are an essentially Iranic people who mainly speak Turkish. A branch of the Turcophone Azeris are believed to have been settled in Iran’s Fars province by the Safavids– they are today known as the Qashqai’s (note photo of Qashaqi girl by Shahyar Mahabadi).

.....with all this criteria many of the Azari articles will have to refurbished. 72.57.230.179

Iranians, Editors, People of Rational Minds, Academics... The seeds of propaganda are bieng planted: reports of the massacres of Azaris are being doctored. Look at what is weing said by editors from the Republic of Azarbaijan about Azaris, [13]. They are really trying to forment biased articles. They have created to alternative articles about Shah Ismail I, one being a mythical Turk king. WE should merge the article and get rid of the Pan-Turkist fiction! 72.57.230.179

British troops are mobilizing on the Iranian border http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=20060830&articleId=3097

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=NAZ20061001&articleId=3361

Following are lyrics of Shakila's song Yegaaneh, which I completely love. It would be *awesome* if someone can translate it for me. Thanks a ton!

تا کی به تمنای وصال تو یگانه
اشکم شود از هر مژه چون سیل روانه
ای تیره غمت را دل عشاق نشانه
خواهد به سرآیدشب هجران تو یا نه
جمعی به تو مشغول و تو فارغ ز میانه
هر در که زنم صاحب آن خانه تویی تو
هر جا که شدم پرتو کاشانه تویی تو
در کعبه و در دیر چو جانانه تویی تو
منظور من از کعبه و بتخانه تویی تو مقصود تویی ...کعبه و بتخانه بهانه
ای تیره غمت را دل عشاق نشانه
بلبل به چمن زار گل رخسار نشان دید
پروانه در آتش شد و اسرار نهان دید
عارف صفت حمد تو از پیر و جوان دید
یعنی همه جا عکس رخ یار توان دید
دیوانه منم ..من که روم خانه به خانه
ای تیره غمت را دل عشاق نشانه
جمعی به تو مشغول و تو فارغ ز میانه
عاقل به قوانین خرد راه تو جوید
دیوانه برون از همه آئین تو پوید
تا غنچهء نشکفتهء این باغ که بوید
هر کس به زبانی صفت حمد تو گوید
بلبل به غزل خوانی و قمری به ترانه
رفتم به در صومعه زاهد و عابد
دیدم همه را پیش رخت راکع و ساجد
در بتکده رهبانم و در صومعه زاهد
گه معتکف دیرم و گه ساکن مسجد
یعنی که تو را می طلبم خانه به خانه
ای تیره غمت را دل عشاق نشانه
بلبل به چمن زان گل رخسار نشان دید
پروانه در آتش شد و اسرار نهان دید
عارف صفت حمد تو از پیر و جوان دید
یعنی همه جا عکس رخ یار توان دید
دیوانه منم ..من که روم خانه به خانه
ای تیره غمت را دل عشاق نشانه
جمعی به تو مشغول و تو فارغ ز میانه

deeptrivia (talk) 00:33, 21 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm offering an award for expanding Iran-related articles, as long as they deal with current political or religious events. See the Award Board. Cdamama 14:59, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. Members of this wikiproject may wish to comment here: [14] to help resolve the dispute. Regards, Grandmaster 13:41, 21 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

First, my compliments on the quality of the organization of this talk page. Secondly, and more directly, there is now a proposed project dealing with the region of Western Asia and the countries within that region at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#Western Asia. It has been suggested that the scope of the project be expanded beyond the countries included in the official UN designation of the region to include Iran as well, given the role that Iran has played the people of Iran have played in the history of the region. I would greatly appreciate any input on that page as to whether the members of this project would favor or disapprove of such an expansion. Even were the project to be expanded, it would not in any way seek to "trump" any extant projects for areas in its scope, potentially including Iran, but deal only with those articles and subjects which deal with matters which include things outside the scope of any of the other related projects. Any input would be more than welcome. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 16:10, 23 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 20:52, 29 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I noticed a problem that was propagated on a lot of wikis (from that article I suppose). The transliteration of the name is a mistake, as it is written Merhan, while its name is مهران , transliterated by Mehran. That would be great if an admin here could change the title (as Mehran Karimi Nasseri is a redirect, I can't do it), and give that information to other wikis. Fabienkhan | talk page 11:26, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

For the title of some pages (such as Māzandarān Province), the exact transliteration is used and for many others, just the common spelling is used. I think we should have a uniform guideline for these names.

My proposal is using the common spelling as the title of the page and mentioning the exact transliteration in the introduction (just after the original name in Persian alphabet). In the case that there are several common spellings for the name, the spelling used in the official governmental websites or publications should take precedence over the others. Jahangard 21:40, 9 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

For info : this is the way we do on french WP. We have created a template that allows us to write in persian script and with exact transliteration besides the common spelling : See the template and its use. Fabienkhan | talk page 10:09, 13 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Kindly contribute to this article when you get time, and request others too.

Thanks

Atulsnischal 13:32, 13 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

for those who can understand french, you can also translate from fr:Faune d'Iran. Fabienkhan | talk page 17:59, 14 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There is a brief article on the Iranian plateau written from a geological perspective, it was completely wrong, although I've changed it to the geological minimum. However the Iranian plateau is also a major area of ancient civilizations discussed and studied by anthropologists, while I know a bit about the geology of the Iranian plateau because it is an accretionary regime like California, and know some about various civilizations of the region, I've never studied, and don't have time to research, the extent and a description of the Iranian plateau from a geographical perspective. It is an extremely important region from an anthropolgical point of view, and articles link to the geological stub, thinking it includes information about the geographical region, which it does not (except that I include information that it belongs in the introduction, once I realized this omission). IMO this article needs immediate attention to add a description to the importance of this geographical region to the studies of ancient civilizations from the archaeological evidence. It also wouldn't hurt if there were an Iranian geologist on-board. KP Botany 18:54, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Would anyone like to create an article about military conscription in Iran? Check out the articles in Category:Conscription by country for examples. Siyavash 20:47, 22 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Are there any administrative divisions within Iran above the provinces, such as geographic regions? The category Iran-geo-stub has become large enough that it needs splitting along such lines. Please reply at my talk page to be sure the Iranian wikipedians have a say in this! Aelfthrytha 04:24, 2 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

According to WikiCharts — Top 100 — 03/2007 Battle of Thermopylae and 300 (film) are the 2nd and 4th articles of wikipedia which have been viewed in this month. Please pay attention to them. Khoda negahdare shoma Sa.vakilian(t-c)--19:04, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There is a discussion about the main title of that article. Check its talk page. Jahangard 04:41, 7 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to invite you all to participate in a discussion at this thread regarding bilateral relations between two countries. All articles related to foreign relations between countries are now under the scope of WikiProject Foreign relations, a newly created project. We hope that the discussion will result in a more clean and organized way of explaining such relationships. Thank you. Ed ^{¿Cómo estás?} 18:14, 8 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Do you agree on making a wikiproject or at least a task force (like this)about Contemporary history of Iran which includes issues since 1900.--Sa.vakilian(t-c) 06:40, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think we can make a new wikiproject if ten wikipedians support this idea. This new wikiproject comprises several task forces:

• Constitutional revolution and decline of Qajar dynasty
• Pahlavi dynasty
• Iranian Islamic revolution and Islamic republic of Iran
• Contemporary arts and literature
• Contemporary scientific and technological activities
• Contemporary religious activities
• Contemporary economic and social activities

Please add your idea here:--Sa.vakilian(t-c) 06:50, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You mean since 1900 yeah? I think that's a great idea. We can have different "departments" that deal with different things (like WikiProject India has). I personally like doing biography articles so I will take that responsibility --Rayis 09:43, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'll try to find time to participate. --Leroy65X 17:06, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Good idea. I will support. Farhoudk 08:05, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Agree definitely. Sangak ^Talk 14:09, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I propose to start with a task force until there would be at least 10 active members.--Sa.vakilian(t-c) 07:12, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A huge amount of dubious claims, such as Iranian support of Al-Qaeda and bin Laden, was inserted on Quds Force in the past months. I removed these claims, and the reversion war seems to have stopped. But an editor has stated that he "will diligently seek to improve this article with mainstream sources that only a very biased partisan would object to." I am not sure what that means, but please add the article to your watch lists to avert dubious POV edits.--Gerash77 04:26, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Farsi/Persian version of the wikipedia needs alot of improvement. As I have said before, it is very shameful that the Farsi/Persian wikipedia doesn't have many fleshed-out articles, and infact not many articles in general. It would be extremely helpful if we can have a goal of editing and adding new aticles to the Farsi/Persian wikipedia as well. We specially need the help of those people who are fluint in writing in Farsi/Persian. It would be nice if we can get the Farsi/Persian wikipedia to reach the top 10 wikipedias, we do after all have many dedicated members.

Among Farsi/Persian wikis that need improvement are:

* Iran
* History of Iran
* Politics and Government of Iran
* Persian Culture
* Science in Iran
* Geography of Iran
* Irans Nuclear Program

Some Farsi Wikis that don't even exist are:

* Economy of Iran
* Demographics of Iran
* Military of Iran
* Transport in Iran
* Communications in Iran
* Energy of Iran

If you have any ideas or comments or are simply going to help please say so here. Thanks alot for the help and concideration!

pedram-e 05:26, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There are some great problems. One of them is the problem of dispute resolution. As I know there isn't any policy or guideline and any committee to do so which results in endless controversies. I think it's more important to help them with it. You can speak with their admins like Hojjat or Behaafarid --Sa.vakilian(t-c) 12:53, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

i'm just thinking out aloud here -

• do you have farsi translations of the various meta documents such as WP:NPOV and Wikipedia:List_of_policies ? i see that the NPOV page certainly exists in fa, and a short summary of List_of_policies exists, but it looks like a lot of work in translating them and/or modifying them in ways appropriate to the farsi cultural context (i can't imagine that a lot of it is culture-dependent, but some of it may be) has not been done yet.
• One idea is to challenge all people participating in a dispute and say, hey, we want to learn from the experience of other language wikipedias, so let's propose to freeze this particular article until we have translated documents X, Y, Z of the List_of_policies - if you want to be able to edit this article A, you should be willing to put in some work to develop articles X, Y and Z, which in turn may help us to resolve this dispute more constructively.
• Of course, if the people involved do not know english or another language in which the documents exist, then they would have to wait until someone bilingual can do an initial translation, and then the others can modify it or discuss it.
• Part of the idea is that if people in a dispute translate some of these meta-pages, then they will be forced to accept that unless they more or less follow these rules, they'll just be involved in endless, unconstructive disputes where everyone loses. Moreover, they'll be forced to accept that such rules/guidelines do in fact exist - many people grow up in circumstances where their idea of conflict resolution is by force and balance of power rather than patient, polite rational argument based on empirical evidence - but if they learn about the latter, i don't see why they won't accept it. It doesn't require a PhD in astrophysics to understand basic commonsense logic.
• Another way of saying this: the fact that people are strongly emotional about certain issues does not mean that they are incapable of stepping back and looking at the issue more objectively or from others' points of view. If they are serious, long-term wikipedia editors, then they should be willing to do some meta work and should be able to find ways to NPOV the relevant articles they're working on.
• Something which is obvious anyway: Most farsi speakers are presumably in Iran or have Iranian background. Iranian democracy was overthrown by the US/UK in 1953, there was a revolution leading to not a huge improvement in the human rights situation in 1979, and although there's been a gradual indigeneous democratisation and opening up, it's hardly surprising that among the 70 million or so Iranians (and Iranian expats) there's a quite wide variety of POVs. Conflicts should be expected: what is important is to develop a conflict-resolution culture - i.e. getting to the meta stage: Wikipedia:List_of_policies - IMHO this doesn't require so much a committee or powerful admins, it rather requires broad knowledge and understanding of and practice using the concepts/methods/techniques.

i hope this rant has helped. :) Boud 00:51, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

PS: i would like to see an article by fa.wikipedians celebrating the soon-to-be achievement of getting 20,000 articles... You could write both about good points and bad points (such as difficulties in conflict resolution). :) Boud 00:51, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Guys, I'm trying to make a template with a list of the historical provinces of Iran by period: [15] Please help out.Azerbaijani 01:36, 22 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]