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I've never seen Wikipedia associated assignments. Does the selection of this article mean that you believe the article exhibits are the aforementioned biases ? Phantomette (chat) 17:53, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Nellie massacre is a reverse example and does not belong here. The victims, in this case, were migrants and the perpetrators were indigenous. Chaipau (talk) 15:44, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is currently more info on this topic in the overview article. The imbalance should be fixed by merging or summary style. (t · c) buidhe 23:17, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Too little meat for such a big fork ;) — kashmīrī ^TALK 00:23, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

yup....support merge Moxy🍁 16:23, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Very weak oppose, there is probably much more that can be written about this topic than would fit in a section here. But since it presently isn't written, I agree a merge with the redirect tagged {{R with possibilities}} and probably with a see also link to Canadian Indian residential school system (where most of the writing we do have on this topic is) would be appropriate. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 19:58, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Canadians originally had a standalone article..... like many other nations..... however they were all merged here many moons ago. I'd rather see everything merged out of here into its own article. As per WP:Does deletion help. Moxy🍁 20:34, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Would seem to warrant its own article (though perhaps its scope could be extended to Genocide of Indigenous peoples in Canada). Summary style is the solution. Graham (talk) 05:38, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Strong oppose. I could see expanding this into Genocide of Indigenous peoples in Canada but not merging in Genocide of Indigenous peoples, which has a worldwide context. Yuchitown (talk) 15:37, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Seems like this discussion should be taking place at Talk:Canadian genocide of the First Nations. Right now Genocide of Indigenous peoples is beyond 5 times larger than the recommended article length. The information here about Canadian First Nations should be transferred to Canadian genocide of the First Nations and then summarized here. Yuchitown (talk) 15:58, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Strong oppose -- this article already too long. Agree with Yuchitown that this article should be split and summarized.  oncamera  _{(talk page)} 18:39, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose -- Agreed with both Yuchitown and oncamera. This article is much too large already. It should be split into individual articles where possible and summarized here. --ARoseWolf 14:26, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following text has been added and removed from the article several times over the past couple months. It had been included under the "contemporary examples" section, under the subheading "Israel", and had a {{main article}} link to Palestinian genocide accusation. Should this, or some version of it, be included in this article?

Throughout the extended Israeli-Palestinian conflict, the State of Israel has been accused of committing a genocide against Palestinians. Events such as the Nakba, the Sabra and Shatila massacre, the blockade of the Gaza Strip, the 2014 Gaza War, and the 2023 Israel–Hamas war have been used as examples of evidence for a genocide committed by Israel.^[1] Statements made by Israeli officials have also been described by genocide scholars as dehumanizing the population of Gaza and used as evidence for "genocidal intent."^[2]

-- Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 20:23, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment - there can be no reasonable debate as to whether or not Israel's actions in either the current conflict or the entire Israeli-Palestinian conflict have been described by some prominent writers as genocide; we have a whole article about it which currently cites 379 sources. The question I suppose is whether or not Palestinians are considered an indigenous people. I don't know if that question is settled, and/or what the implications are for this discussion either way, so I'm going to wait for more comments before giving an opinion. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 20:36, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Leaning no. Arabs (including the ancestors of the people now using the demonym Palestinian) came in later, meanwhile the Jews (descended of the earlier Canaanite population there) were pushed out of this area for many centuries, with modern-day Israel later being established over the course of ca. 1920-48 through Jewish re-immigration. So, looking at it one way, both of these Semitic groups have a claim to being indigenous in some sense, and looking at it another more restrictive way, neither of them do. So, there is not clearly a case here of a colonial people imposing genocide on an indigenous people (even if there is mounting evidence that something genocidal is happening). It's either a newer colonial group oppressing an earlier but also colonial one; or a former and recently restored indigenous group oppressing an intermediary group that is also indigenous within a modern contextual understanding.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  04:39, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @SMcCandlish: As noted in some of the sources below, this is a flawed assertion. The Arab conquests did not involve significant population displacement in Palestine. The Palestinian population is instead composed of Arabized and Islamicized descendants of all the peoples that went before: Canaanites, Philistines, Israelites, Judahites, Samaritans, presumably with some Greek and other admixtures in there. The Palestinian population didn't displace the ancient Jews; they are the descendants of the ancient Jews that never left, together with the Musta'arabi Jews, who also Arabized but retained their existing faith. Also, AFAIK, the concept of restoring indigeneity 2,000 years later is not a framework that is supported by the academic mainstream. It would be a bit like anyone of Anglo-Saxon descent claiming retrospective bygone indigeneity to northern Germany. Iskandar323 (talk) 14:11, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  That's an oversimplified and mostly incorrect account of history. While some Palestinians do descend from ancient Jews and Samaritans, many are likely descendants of later migrants to the region. Historical records document Muslim migrations into the area, including Arab tribes, Bedouins, Kurds, Turks, Bosnians, Hejazi Arabs, and Transjordanians arriving in recent centuries. Most Palestinians say they come from Arabian origins to be honest. HaOfa (talk) 17:57, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Arab identity politics and self-identification aside, it doesn't matter how many other groups loped around the area over the centuries unless there's evidence that they had a meaningful impact on the local population. Suppositions of "many are likely..." yada yada are futile unless supported by sources. Below, however, you will find academically published sources attesting the indigeneity of the Palestinian population. Iskandar323 (talk) 18:49, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• No - (Summoned by bot) The Israel-Palestinian conflict with history going back to 1947-48 is a political conflict, national conflict, and perhaps an inter-communal conflict. It can't be categorised as a conflict between "indigenous" and "non-indigenous" people. That topic doesn't belong here. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 19:42, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Absolutely there is no reason not to include what is neutral, reliably sourced and notable. The fact that the Palestinians are indigenous to the area is undisputed, and so is the fact that the overwhelming majority of Israel's Jews migrated from elsewhere (they made aliyah from other countries). Those who are not familiar with the topic should read Nakba, the Nakba denial and the Palestinian genocide accusation (the second is an eye-opener). M.Bitton (talk) 21:25, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• No. Neither the population of modern Israel nor the inhabitants of Palestine can be uncontroversially termed as indigenous people. The former started settling down in larger numbers in the first half of the 20th century, being a very diverse group genetically and culturally; the latter were either nomadic Bedouins or similarly descendants of migrants from a few centuries earlier. No modern-day ethnic group can claim to be native to the current Israel-Palestine region IMO, so it would be a bad example for the article. See also SMcCandlish's excellent comment. — kashmīrī ^TALK 21:46, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Comparing those who have always lived there to those who arrived in living memory is rather strange. By that that standard, no ethnic group can ever be described as indigenous to anywhere but Africa (where it all started). M.Bitton (talk) 23:15, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Yes. People who are arguing it doesn't belong because Palestinians "aren't indigenous to Palestine" better start removing the section on Afghanistan, since the Hazaras have Mongol origin (gasp!). Oh, and the Chakma people of Bangladesh "gradually migrated to Arakan and extended their territory to the nearby hills of the Chittagong Hill Tracts", so they're not indigenous to the region either. Oh right, and the Uyghurs, they descend from diverse Turkic and Mongolic populations of Central Asia that settled gradually in East Turkistan, so... they're not indigenous either... Hmmm... Well, why stop there? By y'all's logic the Mongols of Inner Mongolia aren't indigenous either! And the Karen only migrated into Myanmar about 1500 years ago! And Yazidis only emerged in Iraq in the 12th century! Our very own article on indigenous peoples states that "there is no generally accepted definition of Indigenous peoples" but that "the focus has been on self-identification, cultural difference from other groups in a state, a special relationship with their traditional territory, and an experience of subjugation and discrimination under a dominant cultural model, all of which apply to Palestinians in Palestine, as the sources state. There is no justifiable reason to exclude this information. Dylanvt (talk) 02:22, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Also comment. Here are more scholarly sources that discuss genocide against Palestinians and refer to them as an indigenous people:

1. Nijim, M. (2023). Genocide in Palestine: Gaza as a case study. The International Journal of Human Rights, 27(1), 165–200. https://doi.org/10.1080/13642987.2022.2065261
2. Rashed, H. & D. Short (2012). Genocide and settler colonialism: can a Lemkin-inspired genocide perspective aid our understanding of the Palestinian situation? The International Journal of Human Rights, 16(8), 1142–1169. http://dx.doi.org/10.1080/13642987.2012.735494
3. Masalha, N. (2015). Settler-Colonialism, Memoricide and Indigenous Toponymic Memory: The Appropriation of Palestinian Place Names by the Israeli State. Journal of Holy Land and Palestine Studies, 14(1), 3–57. https://www.euppublishing.com/doi/abs/10.3366/hlps.2015.0103
4. Barakat, R. (2018). Writing/righting Palestine studies: settler colonialism, indigenous sovereignty and resisting the ghost(s) of history. Settler colonial studies, 8(3), 349-363. https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/2201473X.2017.1300048
5. Rashed, H., Short, D., & Docker, J. (2014). Nakba memoricide: genocide studies and the Zionist/Israeli genocide of Palestine. Holy Land Studies, 13(1), 1-23. https://www.euppublishing.com/doi/abs/10.3366/hls.2014.0076
6. Shalhoub-Kevorkian, N. (2014). Human suffering in colonial contexts: Reflections from Palestine. Settler Colonial Studies, 4(3), 277-290. https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/2201473X.2013.859979

• Is this enough for you all??? Dylanvt (talk) 02:33, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• No, technically there probably are no 'indigenous peoples'. Almost everyone, almost everywhere has supplanted an earlier group, so the only practical WP criteria is whether the 'supplanted' are generally seen and referred to as 'indigenous'. Although there clearly are some sources, they don't come anywhere near the number required to make the assertion that the Palestinians - rather than the ancestors of Israeli Jews, are the 'indigenous people'. I commend SMcCandlish's and Ivanvector's summaries of the main issues.Pincrete (talk) 05:43, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  You commend SMcCandlish's WP:OR on whether Palestinians are considered indigenous, but ignore the 6 peer-reviewed scholarly sources linked right above this that consider Palestinians indigenous? Dylanvt (talk) 12:40, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I would note the following extracts: "Palestinians are the descendants of all the indigenous peoples who lived in Palestine over the centuries; since the seventh century, they have been predominantly Muslim in religion and almost completely Arab in language and culture." (P.221, 2008. Polity); "Palestinians are an indigenous people who either live in, or originate from, historical Palestine.... Although the Muslims guaranteed security and allowed religious freedom to all inhabitants of the region, the majority converted to Islam and adopted Arab culture." (P.700, 2012. "Genetic Disease in Palestine and Palestinians".Oxford University Press); "Zionism itself was also defined by its opposition to the indigenous Palestinian inhabitants of the region. Both the "conquest of land" and the "conquest of labor" slogans that became central to the dominant strain of Zionism in the Yishuv originated as a result of the Zionist confrontation with the Palestinian "other". (P.93, 2014. Cambridge University Press). I don't just see sources; I see unequivocal statements in academic sources of the highest calibre. If there is serious academic debate or confusion on this point, I am hopelessly unaware of it and require enlightening. Iskandar323 (talk) 13:53, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• No. The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is a very sensitive topic, and presenting this detail could be misconstrued as favoring one side over the other. Ideally, encyclopedia entries should strive for neutrality and avoid letting narratives influence factual information. Both Israelis and Palestinians have historical claims to the land, and both can be described as indigienous by some and colonists by others. Because of that complexity, I don't think this info is relevant for this article at all. 13:27, 28 May 2024 (UTC) ABHammad (talk) 13:27, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Support the proposed, or something along the same lines. By the assessment of a significant following of human rights and genocide scholars, the Palestinian people have been exposed to genocide. The academic consensus as it stands also proclaims the Palestinian people as an indigenous group – something that sources above attest. The better question, and one which has not been adequately addressed here, is: are there any serious arguments backed up by sources to indicate that the Palestinian people are somehow not an indigenous people exposed to genocide? ... that is, of course, without recourse solely to the type of Israeli historiography works steeped in historical negationism that are warned of at Nakba denial. Iskandar323 (talk) 14:26, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  The academic consensus as it stands also proclaims the Palestinian people as an indigenous group – something that sources above attest. That claim will need a stronger proof. Talking about historiography, to be honest, Nakba Denial seems to be steeped in another type of historiography itself, doesn't look really encyclopedic but more like narrative, but that's I guess an issue for another day... HaOfa (talk) 17:50, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  There is plenty of sourcing for this claim above. What I'm not seeing is any source for any counterclaim. Iskandar323 (talk) 18:53, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

•  Support. Many reliable sources agree that Palestinians are Indigenous. Omission gives preferential treatment to a white nationalist point of view.  — Freoh 17:19, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Who are you referring to with "white nationalist"? HaOfa (talk) 17:46, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• No, Jews are not less indigenous than Palestinians, so I don't see how this is relevant to this page. Sorry. HaOfa (talk) 17:46, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Are the Balkan Jews indigenous to the Balkans? A simple yes or no will do. M.Bitton (talk) 17:56, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Balkan Jews are part of the Jewish diaspora, that is the dispersion of Jews out of their ancient ancestral homeland, the Land of Israel. HaOfa (talk) 17:59, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  You didn't answer the simple question. Please try again. M.Bitton (talk) 18:01, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• No, agree with SMcCandlish and many others here. This isn't a clear-cut case of a colonial power committing genocide against a indigenous population. We're looking at two groups, both with historical ties to the land, both claiming indigenity. Jews have always seen themselves, and were seen by their neighbors all around the world, as being from this area. O.maximov (talk) 19:15, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• 'No, the statement, aside from being one sided, doesn't belong in this article. One sided because while Israel is being accused of "genocide" for measures taken during war, there is rarely ever any acknowledgement that the people of Palestine have been calling for the total destruction of Israel for generations, and teach this stuff to school children. Indeed now were are seeing naive college students, coached and instigated, protesting and chanting, "Death to Israel" and "Death to America!". As such, it's sort of difficult to take seriously the concern for "genocide" coming from this camp.. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 19:24, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Genocide of Indigenous peoples → Genocide of indigenous peoples – "Indigenous" is only a proper name when adopted as conventional for a particular ethnic group, and when applied to the specific groups who have done so. As a general, global adjective it is not and cannot be a proper name (any more than the opposite, "colonial"), so should not be capitalized. See in particular the lead paragraph of MOS:CAPS: WP does not capitalize that which is not capitalized consistently across nearly all independent reliable sources, and "indigenous peoples" is not so capitalized (indeed, it is overwhelmingly lowercase [1][2], except in highly retrictive contexts that refer to specific populations who have adopted the term self-referentially as a name in English). This same situation is true of all such terms such as "native" and "aboriginal". "Aboriginal" is capitalized in reference to native Australians, and "Native" is capitalized in "Native Americans" in reference to the aboribinal peoples of what is now the US and sometimes (in American usage) all of the Americas. But "native" is not capitalized (by the preponderance of modern reliable sources) in reference to Australians, nor "aboriginal" in reference to Americans, and neither is capitalized in "the native (aboriginal) peoples and languages of Siberia and Central Asia before the Soviet Union", etc. PS: There may be other over-capitalized articles of this sort, but perhaps take them one at a time, since some might pertain more narrowly to groups that have taken on "Indigenous" as a self-referential name/label.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  04:42, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Support - per nom, who left nothing in need of saying. Primergrey (talk) 08:28, 25 May 2024 (UTC) Primergrey (talk) 08:28, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Support – Per above. Svartner (talk) 08:33, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Support - per nom. Psychastes (talk) 13:49, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Support - I was thinking the same thing, SMcCandlish beat me to it. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 14:43, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I have to change to oppose after thinking about this some more. The style guides that were posted below by Yuchitown are pretty convincing, for one thing. I don't disagree with SMcCandlish, but I think there's confusion with the part of speech that the word represents in this title. Take for example the phrase, "The Indigenous Peoples of Canada are the people who are indigenous to the land now known as Canada", which I believe is correctly capitalized. The first "Indigenous" here is part of a proper noun referring to specific groups of people, which would be capitalized in any context. The second "indigenous" is an adjective, describing a property of its subject ("the people"); the style guides are in disagreement or ambiguous as to whether the word should be capitalized in its adjective sense. But that's irrelevant: "Indigenous" in the title still refers to specific groups; even if the specific group is "all Indigenous Peoples" it's still a group, and therefore it should be capitalized. The style guides are also ambiguous as to whether or not "people" should be capitalized in this context, but I think we're fine to leave it as is. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 14:58, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Support per nom. Graham (talk) 05:24, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong oppose. See WP:INDIGENOUS and MOS:RACECAPS. Indigenous is capitalized when referring to human beings, as per WP:MOS, as well as AP style, Chicago style, APA style, etc. Absolutely no good reason to go against the well-established styles in scholarly literature, mainstream news, and Wikipedia. Yuchitown (talk) 15:35, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong oppose, goes against Wikipedia policy perWP:INDIGENOUS and MOS:RACECAPS.  oncamera  _{(talk page)} 18:38, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose changing/moving Indigenous (upper case) to indigenous (lower case). When Indigenous is used to describe human beings, communities, individuals (rather than things like plants or rocks) it should be capitalized (this also goes for citizenship, tribes). Per WP's own guidelines WP:INDIGENOUS and MOS:RACECAPS in addition to the: APA Style Manual which states: "Capitalize 'Indigenous' and 'Aboriginal' whenever they are used.; the Chicago Manual of Style which states: "We would capitalize 'Indigenous' in both contexts: that of Indigenous people and groups, on the one hand, and Indigenous culture and society, on the other. Lowercase 'indigenous' would be reserved for contexts in which the term does not apply to Indigenous people in any sense—for example, indigenous plant and animal species."; and the the Associated Press 2019 Stylebook states: "The news organization will also now capitalize Indigenous in reference to original inhabitants of a place.". The Indigenous Journalists Association (formerly the Native American Journalists Association) also follows the AP stylebook.[3]. Netherzone (talk) 14:33, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Support Not persuaded by the opposing votes and I find WP:INDIGENOUS vague and excessively Americacentric. The article covers indigenous group all around the world and should be seen as an umbrella term in the title, not something referring to individuals and their citizenship. Killuminator (talk) 16:47, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Strong support per my comment here. — kashmīrī ^TALK 21:28, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support WP:INDIGENOUS is incredibly US-centric and doesn't deal with the use of indigenous in this global sense. Traumnovelle (talk) 04:01, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Strong oppose - The title in question it is part of the proper noun. We can have separate argument whether Indigenous should always be capitalized when describing people because it is always part of the proper noun but in this case it absolutely is and should be kept how it is. I don't see a compelling argument made here in support based on MOS or policy. The only argument is it being America or US-centric but that is not a policy based argument. It is an opinion based argument and entirely subjective and somewhat overplayed.WP:LOCALCON come into play here as well. --ARoseWolf 12:32, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment Google Scholar results from 2020 onward overwhelmingly capitalize Indigenous when referring to people. The capitalization of Indigenous in Canada is even stronger than in the United States. Example style guide from UBC: "Following Principle 13, terms for Indigenous identities; Indigenous governmental, social, spiritual, and religion institutions; and Indigenous collective rights should be capitalized." As Comeson College in British Columbia states: "Indigenous style uses capitalization to acknowledge or demonstrate respect for Indigenous identities, institutions, and collective rights." Encyclopedia Brittanica also capitalizes Indigenous (example). Example from Oxford University Press. Example from the Australian government. As in New Zealand—example from the University of Auckland. This is a Wikipedia style already, in keeping with style guides the world over. There is no good reason to exert the effort to deviate from this. Yuchitown (talk) 15:52, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  In all these links, the term is used as a proper noun for predefined ethnic groups. But here, like, we're not talking the Moon; we're talking moon (natural satellite) in general. — kashmīrī ^TALK 17:13, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Support per nom. And reflect this in the various essays and conventions where the projects have pushed for over-capitalization in even generic contexts. Yuchitown says "no good reason to go against the well-established styles in scholarly literature, mainstream news, ...", but the evidence shows that style is not really that well established; lowercase is still very common, as nom showed; lowercase certainly dominates in scholarly literature. Dicklyon (talk) 16:04, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I've actually furnished links as evidence. The style change may be recent (2020s) but it is sweeping. Yuchitown (talk) 16:15, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

•  Oppose. Capitalized seems a lot more common these days, especially among specialist scholars and actual Indigenous people.  — Freoh 17:19, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment. It seems like a fast decision is about to be made with far-reaching ramifications. There are certain places, like North America, where it seems proper to capitalize Indigenous when referring to people, and always when referring to the name of a group of people. There are other places where indigenous refers to any original people of the land and should not be capitalized. I think more research is needed to determine if there really is one worldview. It will effect other articles about Indigenous/indigenous people, like Indigenous people and Indigenous people of Canada and other related articles. In the case of Canada, Indigenous people is an inclusive term for several groups of people, so "Indigenous", should always be capitalized. The style guide comments are very compelling, particularly where they are regularly used (Aside from the U.S., I am not sure where that might be).–CaroleHenson (talk) 18:34, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Quick edits.–CaroleHenson (talk) 18:40, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Oppose. The more I think about this, it IS a strong oppose for now. Nothing should be done until it's thought through. I don't think this is the kind of situation where the most votes should quickly "win".–CaroleHenson (talk) 18:44, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your oppose sounds invalid - the reason you quoted is that you need more time to think this through. So please take your time before voting! — kashmīrī ^TALK 18:48, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In terms of research, does anyone know whether or not "Indigenous" is capitalized for people around the world? Does anyone know what style guides used around the world say about capitalization of Indigenous? If not, IMO it's too soon to take a vote.–CaroleHenson (talk) 18:59, 28 May 2024 (UTC) For style guides by country / international, see List of style guides.–CaroleHenson (talk) 19:04, 28 May 2024 (UTC) Google query of use of the term around the world here. Both will take time, unless someone knows of a quicker answer somewhere - UN? Top 15 NGOs in the world? Other?–CaroleHenson (talk) 19:11, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Ivanvector and Dylanvt: I just wanted to let you know that the same editors have been removing the perfectly sourced and neutral section for no reason whatsoever (the cited ONUS is obviously BS). M.Bitton (talk) 19:19, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@האופה: WP:ONUS is neither an explanation nor a valid reason for you to edit war over the content that you want to keep out of the article. Feel free to provide one (if it exists). M.Bitton (talk) 19:24, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I'm ignoring them, no edit warring. I started an RFC instead a few sections up; you and they are free to comment. (@ABHammad, O.maximov, and האופה: courtesy ping) Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 19:29, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• I have fully protected the page, because the edit war is speeding up. Hopefully by then consensus will be reached. PhilKnight (talk) 19:56, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]