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There's still tons of time to do something about it. Schwede66 22:13, 26 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I had seen this Wikidata item on Encarsia hansoni and noticed it had no Wikipedia article in English (it had 4 in other languages). So I created it. I then found Encarsia harrisoni and needed a critical eye to help me check if they were the same. Danidamiobi (talk) 14:44, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

They appear to be distinct. Both are listed on the GBIF genus entry for Encarsia. Loopy30 (talk) 11:44, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There is a discussion at Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Requests for comment/Article creation at scale; the primary issue of concern is editors creating large numbers of stubs. Articles on species are repeatedly brought up as examples. "Large numbers" is not defined, but from the positions taken by some commenters an editor who regularly creates one article a day might be considered to be engaged in article creation at scale. Plantdrew (talk) 17:11, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Something doesn't sit right with me about the state of the taxonomy in the Polyneoptera article: most of it right now is sourced from the Polyneoptera Species File website, with notable exception to the listing at "Perlidea/Plecopteroidea" which is sourced instead from Aristov (2014). Looking at Polyneoptera SF itself, however, it doesn't seem to be fully consistent in its own taxonomy itself currently: Dermaptera is no longer placed to magnorder nor superorder (the website's home page explains why there are no magnorders anymore at least) yet the related extinct order Protelytroptera is placed under Dermaptera's old home, the superorder Dermapterida (what I assume judging by other sources at least, as well as of course the similar name). It seems to be a similar story with Plecoptera, Cnemidolestida and Perlidea/Plecopteroidea, except Arillo & Engel (2006) for instance placed Plecoptera in a superorder "Plecopterida" instead (!). All this and further digging on Google has told me is that the higher classification for orders within Polyneoptera is still unsettled, and very different depending on who you ask exactly, with exception to Dictyoptera (and even then I can't be sure). What can be done about this mess on Wikipedia meanwhile? Should we discard any higher classification for the time being? Or should we stick to Polyneoptera SF more purely for extant orders, but not for the extinct ones? Something else?

On a related note, I recently discovered that the Earwig article alone was (and still is) the only member of Category:Exopterygota apart from Exopterygota itself, and likewise it was the only article for an extant insect order with Exopterygota as its parent taxon in its taxobox until I edited it recently. Does anyone know anything about why this was the case? (This came up when I was trying to figure out what to do with Protelytroptera in a discussion on WikiProject Palaeontology recently, if it helps to know) Monster Iestyn (talk) 00:55, 14 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Looking at the webarchive, the speciesfile page for Dermapterida originally contained Dermaptera (2014 archive) as you surmised, but was removed by the next archive leaving an empty page (2015 archive). Then Protelytroptera was added in 2020 (e.g. Sept 26). For Wikipedia purposes, I don't think we should use unless it also contains Dermaptera. Place Protelytroptera in Polyneoptera, unless we can find a source putting it in Haplocerata with Dermaptera and Zoraptera (Kjer eta

In the automated taxobox system, Exopterygota now only contains Blattoptera, which redirects to roachoid. —  Jts1882 | talk  20:47, 14 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Would there be any objection to following what has been well demonstrated in studies and is growing since 2020 and largely accepted as consensus? ie the treatment of Cicindelidae as a full family that is sister to the Carabidae (rather than nested within). This would affect categories, automatic taxoboxes, and stub templates. This was nearly fixed before being rolled back by User:Timrollpickering as an undiscussed move. Shyamal (talk) 04:59, 14 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• References: doi:10.1111/syen.12440 doi:10.1111/syen.12506 doi:10.1111/syen.12508 doi:10.1111/syen.12324 Shyamal (talk) 04:59, 14 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Tagging @Dyanega: @Timrollpickering:

You need to propose category changes at WP:CFD, not arbitrarily move some of them and leave other bits behind. Timrollpickering (talk) 12:15, 14 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It is more than a category change unfortunately and involves some subject expertise. Maintenance and move of the category is less of an issue. Shyamal (talk) 13:04, 14 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Personally I'm glad to see them as their own family again, but how stable is the reclassification in the literature? Is there any opposition/discussion like that going on, or has it overall been accepted? If it is the latter, I don't see any issue with moving them back to the original Cicindelidae. It's news to me, though I haven't checked in on this family for awhile.

Just also noting that I'm pretty sure a proposed change isn't need at CfD. If there is consensus at Tiger beetle that Cicindelidae is now the family, the categories just have to follow that change. KoA (talk) 16:24, 14 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support elevating subfamily to family. Dyanega recently asked me about editing tools that would make it easier to do large scale edits needed to update taxonomic articles, and Cicindelinae->Cincindelidae was one of the examples he gave where large scale edits are needed. It doesn't take a lot of edits to update automatic taxoboxes, and a bot will take care of the category if that is brought up at CfD. As a quick fix, the stub template could be redirected, but I think it would be better to update links to the stub template. There isn't any easy fix for articles with manual taxoboxes, and mentions of the (sub)family in the body of an article. Plantdrew (talk) 17:39, 14 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, to clarify on CfD and my comment on it above, there shouldn't be a need for a full proposal, it would just be a considered a speedy uncontroversial change the bots could do instead by going that route.

I remember setting up AWB to restore beetle talk pages back when this wikiproject template was removed. I'm curious how easily that could be set to update to auto taxoboxes, but maybe a winter project I'll look into more too if no one else has an easier solution. KoA (talk) 17:59, 14 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]