Does anyone know when the name is supposed to change. I notice that the government website (http://www.gov.yu) still calls it the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia. --Zundark, Friday, April 5, 2002

The parliaments of both republics still have to vote on it (see vague link). I have no idea when it's supposed to take effect once (if) approved, though. ...... Ah, I found the text of the agreement; if ratified, Serbia and Montenegro are required to "effect changes in their constitutions in accordance with the Constitutional Charter of Serbia and Montenegro or adopt new constitutions by no later than the end of 2002." How that affects precicely when the name is supposed to change, isn't terribly clear. Brion VIBBER

At what point should we move the related pages to [[whatever of Serbia and Montenegro]]? --KQ 20:54 Sep 6, 2002 (UCT)

There already is a page Serbia and Montenegro! - John 16:35 Feb 4, 2003

There are several dates that people take as the end of SFRJ. One is Jun 25, 1991, when Slovenia secedeed, one is October 9, 1991 when the moratorium on Slovenian and Croatian secession was ended, one is April 28, 1992, (IIRC) when the Federal republic of Yugoslavia was formed and thus no government used the name "SFRJ" any more. But anyway, I think this is discussed elsewhere and doesn't really need mentioning here. Zocky 21:52 Jan 19, 2003 (UTC)

First of all, IIRC, FRY will cease to exist when the new parliament is constituted, so the end-date might be wrong again.

But, this page looks all wrong now. Yugoslavia is not or will not be a country anymore, so this page shouldn't be about FRY. It should be about the kingdom SFRY and FRY. Should they all get their own pages with a summary here? Or should they all be merged?

Oh, and the page Serbia and Montenegro/History is of course not a history of "Serbia and Montenegro" but rather a history of Yugoslavia. Zocky 20:49 Feb 5, 2003 (UTC)

Oh wait... Serbia and Montenegro/History is a redirect. It's ok for now then.

What a mess. One country was established in 1918 to be cancelled in 2003. I think we do not need three independent articles. Slovenia, Croatia and other former Yugoslav republics were as much Yugoslavia as Serbia and Montenegro were. But since the country with the name Yugoslavia will stop existing, we can't predict in full what will be in the future. There is 30 days delay from the beginning of 2003 February to decide wheather Yugoslavia will definitely stop to exist. And there will also be a 3 years period for two states, Serbia and Montenegro, to decide if they will remain in the formation of a state with the name Serbia and Montenegro. As Serbian nationalist Vojislav Sešelj from the SRS recently said that Yugoslavia was the biggest mistake for Serbia in its history. But from the period 1918-2003 there was plenty of time to learn something from. But anyway regardless Sešelj we may say that Yugoslavia from 1945 to 1991 was well formed as a state, if we look at it as a modern country. But the national differences among almost brotherlike nations have prevailed. There are many similar examples in the world (to think on some e.g. India / Pakistan; Ethiopia / Eritrea; Russia / Belarus ....). It is already a time to abandon such lucrative mediaeval coalitions of any kind. What hurts me, as a former Yugoslav citizen, is for instance that the country was kicked out of the N-AM, as it was so apparently stable and an example of stability and peaceableness; and because of so much ethnic cleansing and bunch of semi-civil wars in it. And, not lastly, let Stevie Wonder sing Bob Dylan's: the answer, my friend, is ... I can't believe in the end that these are just games of the great powers. Every nation got a right to decide its own destiny... in Bob Marley's words. --XJamRastafire 17:18 Feb 6, 2003 (UTC)

Here's what I think should be done for the articles on "Yugoslavia":

There should be an article on the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes (the state that lasted from 1918-1929) and it's leaders and history, etc. This current Yugolavia article should be about the Kingdom that lasted from 1929-1945 . The Postwar state that existed from 1945-1992 should be in an article titled Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia or SFRY. The state that existed from 1992-2003 that was formed after the breakaway of Bosnia, Slovenia, Croatia, and FYROM should be placed in article titled Federal Republic of Yugoslavia or FRY. The Union that came into force in 2003 should be on a page devoted to Serbia and Montenegro.

As it stands now, this article needs serious work!

-hoshie

I agree that there should be, if not separate articles, then distinct sections of this article, though I think that article on History of Yugoslavia should cover all Yugoslavias as their histories are interconected. I'll deal with this, once :)