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The result was redirect‎ to Paraguay at the 1984 Summer Olympics#Athletics. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:48, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Nicolás Chaparro (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log | edits since nomination)

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Declined prod. 4 of the 5 sources are databases. The only third party source appears to be now dead. A search for sources only yielded namesakes. Fails WP:NATH and WP:SPORTSCRIT. LibStar (talk) 00:55, 21 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Olympics, Sport of athletics, and Paraguay. LibStar (talk) 00:55, 21 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• I added an archive link for the third party source; nevertheless, it only lists Chaparro as one of Paraguay's olympians. Coeusin (talk) 14:28, 21 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • I also found that he was the Paraguayan record holder for the 110m with hurdles until 2007, source. I don't know if that's enough to establish notability, however. Coeusin (talk) 13:59, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect per WP:ATD to Paraguay at the 1984 Summer Olympics#Athletics - preserves history and gives time to look further for sources. Ingratis (talk) 19:35, 22 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per expansion I made. I found another source discussing his record in addition to the one Coeusin found, which I think makes the case for WP:NEXIST stronger considering the subject was discussed in newspapers over 20 years after his most notable years. If we have mentions this far after the fact, I think there's a strong case that SIGCOV exists in contemporary sources once we can access those archives. --Habst (talk) 20:57, 26 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect. The Ultima Hora sources are not about Chaparro. Sources have to be about the person (in-depth, etc.) to sustain a Wikipedia biography. "Mentions" do not contribute to meeting the WP:GNG regardless of when they were made. Geschichte (talk) 09:44, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Yes, but WP:V information of any kind (which the Ultima Hora articles are) can still be notability-contributing through NEXIST. I think that if publications are still writing about the records 20 years later, that indicates that there was likely more substantive prose-based coverage of the subject back when he was actually actively competing. --Habst (talk) 13:24, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  "Writing about the records"? Well, a new one was set (which was not that hard because the old one was extraordinarily weak). The new record was the news item. And the Paraguayan records are something we do have a page about.

  With all respect, what you think is likely is not relevant in the slightest. The consensus (after 2022) is that no Wikipedia article should ever be created without the sources being present. Lots of stubs were created by Lugnuts, true, but the stubs were largely worthless and Lugnuts ultimately became blocked forever.

  The same theremustbesources argument is made in AFD after AFD, but falls flat, and no-one expects anyone to rummage through half-lost paper media from what is now 10-15 countries (and counting) in South America, Africa and Asia throughout the 1980s. The proposition that someone actually will do all the work that you outline throughout dozens of AFDs is completely ludicrous. At the same time, we still lack articles about various medalists. There are also lots of missing biographies from IAAF World Cross-Country and Half Marathon Championships (top 25 finishers, not below 80th like some recent AFDs!)

  I will not make any more replies in this particular discussion, so please consider refraining from bludgeoning even further. Geschichte (talk) 21:02, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  NEXIST absolutely does not say verifiable information of any kind can be notability-contributing. JoelleJay (talk) 02:25, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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