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The result was keep‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:29, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Michigan MAC Trophy (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log | edits since nomination)

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Subject does not meet the WP:NRIVALRY due to a lack of independent and significant coverage. Let'srun (talk) 04:19, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sports, American football, Basketball, and Michigan. Let'srun (talk) 04:19, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment: The "football rivalry" aspect of "Directional Michigan" is dealt with separately at Central Michigan–Western Michigan football rivalry and Central Michigan–Eastern Michigan football rivalry. These are legit rivalries that date back over 100 years. This AfD deals with a trophy created in 2005. While the trophy article has received 55,837 page views (showing that viewers have an interest in the topic), a search of Newspapers.com fails to turn up WP:SIGCOV about the trophy. Unless such SIGCOV is found, I'd probably lean "delete". Cbl62 (talk) 11:06, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete minimal SIGCOV on the three-way traveling trophy. However, this topic can be mentioned on the Central-Eastern and Central-Western rivalry pages (as well as a potential Eastern-Western rivalry page if coverage warrants its creation in the future). I would support a redirect or merge since this is a reasonable search term and based on page view stats, but can't think of a good target (I oppose a merge with either of the rivalry pages). Frank Anchor 13:55, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Changed to keep per the significant coverage identified by PK-WIKI below. Frank Anchor 21:24, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep based on the significant coverage of the three-way trophy in the WP:INDEPENDENT sources below:

• The Herald-Palladium 2005 For the first time the Michigan Sports Hall of Fame awarded the Michigan MAC Trophy to the yearly winner of the Western–Eastern–Central series.
• The Morning Sun 2012 CMU men win Michigan MAC Trophy
• MLive.com 2012 Michigan MAC Trophy inpsires EMU football
• The Detroit News 2021 Central Michigan claims Michigan MAC title with win over Eastern Michigan
• Detroit Free Press 2022 Eastern Michigan football claims Michigan MAC trophy

In addition to the independent coverage, the rivalry trophy receives regular official coverage from each of the three schools as well:

• https://cmuchippewas.com/news/2023/11/5/football-travels-to-western-michigan-for-tuesday-victory-cannon-game.aspx
• https://emueagles.com/news/2022/11/21/football-michigan-mac-trophy-on-the-line-friday-nov-25-as-emu-hosts-cmu.aspx
• https://wmubroncos.com/news/2023/10/25/football-broncos-begin-quest-for-michigan-mac-trophy-on-saturday-at-eastern-michigan.aspx

PK-WIKI (talk) 20:12, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Which of these sources would you say are the WP:THREE best RS? From what I see, all of these articles are either not independent (from the schools or relying on team members quotes themselves) or are routine mentions in routine game recaps. Let'srun (talk) 21:45, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The 5 newspaper articles above are all WP:INDEPENDENT coverage.

Getting quotes from important people involved in the schools and rivalry does not make independently published third-party coverage in newspapers suddenly not independent. I've been seeing this strange sentiment a lot lately in rivalry deletion discussions.

PK-WIKI (talk) 21:57, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I was more referring to the articles from the schools themselves as not being WP:INDEPENDENT, although I'm sure you realize that. I still would like to know which sources provide the most WP:SIGCOV. Let'srun (talk) 23:03, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep – Per PK-WIKI. Svartner (talk) 03:03, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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