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The result was redirect‎ to The Ramsey Show without prejudice against merging properly verified content. Owen× ☎ 22:37, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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There is no substantive RS coverage of the subject. There is nothing to indicate that they are notable. The page was created by an editor who is creating lots of promotional pages for figures related to Dave Ramsey. Thenightaway (talk) 17:41, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The Ramsey Show is the second-most popular radio show in the US. The hosts are well known across the country and have their own podcasts that have big audiences (which you can see from their YouTube views). I created this article because Kamel's notoriety and place as a co-host on the show warranted it.

What about this article sounded promotional? Was there too much biographical info? Are we not supposed to write that books are bestsellers? Are we not supposed to mention that certain recording artists have x amount of top 40 hits or that movies from a certain actor have made billions of dollars, for that matter? Because I've seen those in articles on this platform as well. What is the standard?

I really want to know because I don't think this article deserves to be deleted. I'm happy to adjust to fit standards, and have attempted to do so in the past. But it seems like the "promotional" standard is based on a sliding scale.

And I don't just edit Ramsey-related articles. I have edited and created articles on a variety of subjects from pop culture to music, American history, Disney, etc. Ramsey was just something where I saw a need and filled it. 2719Hyperion (talk) 02:49, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge to Ramsey Solutions and/or The Ramsey Show, not seeing anything which suggests that the topic is of stand alone notability. GNG is not met and I don't think that any of the SNG are either... There just isn't the in-depth coverage we expect of a notable topic. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 17:37, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Proposal to merge with The Ramsey Show: After giving this some thought and after reviewing the GNG and SNG, I'm agreeing with this nomination. The Kamel article should be merged with The Ramsey Show, as Kamel is best known for being a co-host of the show. I will work on merging these articles. 2719Hyperion (talk) 01:52, 21 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:52, 21 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect. Opposed to a merger since everything in the George Kamel is sourced to primary sources. The only exception is umtorchlight.com, a student newspaper, and the article has fairly trivial contents. Geschichte (talk) 09:54, 27 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.