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I have reverted your recent changes to the article Andrew Graham (economist) in which you "change the article's citation style". See WP:CITEVAR, in which it states "Editors should not attempt to change an article's established citation style, merely on the grounds of personal preference or to make it match other articles, without first seeking consensus for the change." There appears to be little benefit to your change, and a number of disadvantages. Maidenhair (talk) 13:21, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for checking it over.

But the page seems to have totally reverted without any edits, please explain...!!!!!!

This was a lot of work... 2A00:23C7:CEB4:BC01:133:6D96:A0FB:27BA (talk) 13:39, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I reverted back to the latest edit with the original citation style, 22:00, 23 January 2025 Rodw. I understand that it was a lot of work, but it would have been a lot of work to change your citation style back to the original citation style. If you feel that this is an easier option then revert my revert, and change the citation style from there. I an intrigued, why did you want to change the citation style? Maidenhair (talk) 14:03, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I dont know what you mean by citation style change. Maybe it is the only change in style was deleting the square brackets around superscripts. All the other 'body' edits are in the same style as before, font and layout. The whole page has major edits and I really need these back ASAP.

john 2A00:23C7:CEB4:BC01:133:6D96:A0FB:27BA (talk) 14:11, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

An example of the code for a citation in the original citation style:

<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.der-lokalanzeiger.de/index.php/articles/8996/fraktionsvorsitzender-der-af-d-bj|work=Der Lokalanzeiger|title=Fraktionsvorsitzender der AfD Björn Höcke besucht seine Heimatstadt Neuwied|date=24 April 2015|access-date=12 March 2016|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20160131064044/http://www.der-lokalanzeiger.de/index.php/articles/8996/fraktionsvorsitzender-der-af-d-bj|archive-date=31 January 2016|url-status=dead}}</ref>

An example of the code for a citation in your citation style:

[https://www.tuhh.de/tuhh/en/tu-hamburg Hamburg University Institute of Technology] (2023- ),<sup>[https://www.tuhh.de/ethics/advisory-board 3]</sup>

plus, in your reference list:

<small><sup>3</sup> <nowiki>https://www.tuhh.de/ethics/advisory-board</nowiki>

In the original style the ref tags automatically generate reference numbers, and the reference in the {{reflist}}, The reference numbers are generated in the sequence of the order in which they appear in the text, and they automatically link to the reference in the {{reflist}}. The reference in the {{reflist}} also links back to the location in the text.

Your style appears to an imitation of the original style, but reference numbers have to be manually maintained, and do not link to your reference list, and the reference list does not link back to the location in the text. So it is necessary to manually page down to the reference list and manually page back up to the location in the text. Maidenhair (talk) 15:09, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It wont let me undo yours as you have made further edits (thank you for Master of...

Where do we go from here. I had unfortunately contacted the client who is now very confused..

John 2A00:23C7:CEB4:BC01:1D2D:6080:E6ED:4FAE (talk) 15:08, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

They all worked for me when I checked the file. A couplke of exceptions which I have queried with the client. Can I just pastde the ref to ref code back in to make it 'right'? Mapperou14 (talk) 15:15, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I have made only one edit, which is the one I have suggested you revert. Another user, 129.67.116.128, has made a subsequent edit, so you need to revert both this user and my edits. On the revision history page select your latest edit, and the other user's edit, then select "Compare selected revisions". On the next page select (undo) above the revision by 129.67.116.128. You will need to later reenter the edit by 129.67.116.128. Maidenhair (talk) 15:43, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

From what you have written, I infer you may have a conflict of interest. You should read WP:COI, and particularly WP:PAY. Maidenhair (talk) 16:10, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I can assure you that I am not being paid! Mapperou14 (talk) 16:18, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Can you please clarify your comment about "the client"? It would also be helpful to provide some transparency on the relationship between the two new accounts involved here (Cartog2774 and Mapperou14) and the IP addresses. Sam Kuru (talk) 18:24, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not add external links in the text of an article, as you did here. Links in the text should be internal links to Wikipedia articles. DuncanHill (talk) 18:29, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Confusingly Duncan someone told me the opposite recently so I changed them all! I shall revert them to wiki links later today. Thank you. 2A00:23C7:CEB4:BC01:3447:42FE:433C:1DF4 (talk) 09:14, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I see that you have corrected them all. Much appreciated. I have a lot to learn. Thanks again. 2A00:23C7:CEB4:BC01:3447:42FE:433C:1DF4 (talk) 10:03, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You MUST stop editing while logged out. You were told not to use Wikipedia for references, not for links to articles. Do not link to WIkiwand, it is simply a mirror of Wikipedia. You also MUST disclose any connexion to Andrew Graham and to Winston Graham's family, as it appears you have a conflict of interest. I would suggest you also visit WP:TEAHOUSE, where you can get help and advice aimed at new editors. DuncanHill (talk) 16:41, 27 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If as here your comment "Please do not add external links in the text of an article, as you did here.(balliol website) and if as here "not to use Wikipedia for references" where can I link to? I find this difficult to understand this concept.

Surely I was logged in else I would not have been able to edit. I thought I'd ticked the login for a year...

I will though talk to my Mentor as obviously 'all at sea' disppointing after such a long research effort and trying hard to keep my 81 year old brain engaged. Obviously not hard enough. 2A00:23C7:CEB4:BC01:C436:1321:CC5A:6940 (talk) 17:09, 27 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

For example, link internally to Balliol College when you want to say someone is a fellow of Balliol, but for the reference you must find an external source, for example a quality newspaper or an academic jornal. See WP:RS to learn about sourcing. DuncanHill (talk) 17:28, 27 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Duncan for your advise. I have attempted to correct the first two paragraphs and their footnotes. maybe you could check and see if indeed these are satisfactory and conform. Thanks again.

Andrew Graham (born 20^th June 1942)^[1] is a British political economist. From 2001 to 2011 he was Master of Balliol College, Oxford.  He is currently Chair of Trustees of the Europaeum (2024)^[2]; member of the Advisory Board of Ethics in Technology, Hamburg University of Technology (2023- ),^[3] and Senior Fellow of the Oxford Internet Institute (2011- ).^[4]

He is an Honorary Fellow of Balliol College and of St Edmund Hall and is an Honorary Doctor of Civil Law,^[5] awarded by the University of Oxford in 2003. Cartog2774 (talk) 13:34, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately the following examples are not correct:

• <sup>[https://alchetron.com/Andrew-Graham-(academic) <nowiki>[1]</nowiki>]</sup>
• [https://europaeum.org/new-chair-and-iac-2024/ <sup><nowiki>[2]/nowiki></sup>]
• [https://www.tuhh.de/ethics/advisory-board <sup><nowiki>[3]</nowiki>/sup>]
• [https://www.oii.ox.ac.uk/people/profiles/andrew-graham/ <sup><nowiki>[4]</nowiki></sup>]
• [https://www.seh.ox.ac.uk/people/andrew-graham <sup><nowiki>[5]</nowiki></sup>]

You appear to be starting with the result of a reference you hope to achieve, and attempting to work back to the source code that would generate that result. Try starting with some source code (the article has examples), and use that as a model to generate the source code of your new reference. The source code for your reference should have ref tags, e.g. <ref> . . . </ref>. The ref tags will automatically generate a reference number, e.g. ^[3], so you will not need to code <sup><nowiki>[3]</nowiki>/sup>. The ref tags will also generate the reference in the {{reflist}}. Ideally the ref tags will include a citation template e.g. <ref>{{cite web| ... }}</ref>. Maidenhair (talk) 22:23, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks.

So, for my Cite 3 would the below be OK?

^[1] Cartog2774 (talk) 10:49, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not quite.

• <ref>{{cite web|url=https://learn.hoou.de/mod/book/tool/print/index.php?id=6851</ref>

A template should open with {{ and close with }}, but the closing is missing, a simple fix. The template contains only the |url= parameter, which is a problem. It would be considered a bare URL, and also, once the template is correctly closed the message "{{cite web}}: Missing or empty |title= (help)" will appear. The |title= parameter needs to be included in the template, but see Cite web for the complete list of available parameters. I notice that you have changed the URL from the original English URL, to a German URL; is there a reason for this? Using the original English URL with a more complete template gives:

• <ref>{{cite web|location=[[Hamburg]]|title=Advisory Board|url=https://www.tuhh.de/ethics/advisory-board|website=[[Hamburg University of Technology]] (TUHH)|language=en|access-date=2025-02-05}}</ref>

Other problems:

• On the bottom of the page of the "Alchetron" website it states "References Andrew Graham (academic) Wikipedia (Text) CC BY-SA". So "Alchetron" sources from Wikipedia, which, it is proposed, will source from Alchetron, etc. A better source is required. See WP:CIRCULAR
• All the references in your example replace existing references; Is there a reason why you are replacing existing references?
• You need to answer the questions about your relationship with the client. Maidenhair (talk) 14:55, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks again for your help.

I was told about the ref ref but not the }}.

I take your point about Alchetron but did not know they fed from Wiki. Will find something else hopefully that is acceptable.

Cite 1 goes to an Archive that is not now retrievable / checkable by me.

Cite 2 should be updated to https://europaeum.org/new-chair-and-iac-2024/ as has only recently happened.

Cite 3 happy to change to 'en' thank you for code.

Cite 4 happy to take this out and make text link to https://www.oii.ox.ac.uk/people/profiles/. andrew-graham/

Cite 5 currently going to an incorrect link, simply a link to Fellows.

should be https://www.seh.ox.ac.uk/people/andrew-graham

In Edit 'Clear' I use both the text link and cite icons to insert. Why do these not correctly make the proper source code? Is this a Wiki thing that should be reported; is it my browser (Chrome on a Mac)?

I know little about source codes (obvious eh:) but as Clear editing is offered surely the code should auto follow? Cartog2774 (talk) 17:02, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I notice that you have recently made two edits, in which you added "Wikiwand links". These links have subsequently been removed, as references that support claims made in the text.

1. [https://www.wikiwand.com/en/articles/No_10_Policy_Unit No. 10 Policy Unit]
2. [https://www.wikiwand.com/en/articles/John_Smith_(Labour_Party_leader) John Smith MP]
3. [https://www.wikiwand.com/en/articles/Oxford_Internet_Institute Oxford Internet Institute]
4. [https://www.wikiwand.com/en/articles/St_Cross_Church,_Oxford#Historic_Collections_Centre Balliol Historic Collections Centre]
5. [[https://www.wikiwand.com/en/articles/Balliol_College_Boat_Club Head of the River]

If these links were not intended as references to support claims made in the text, i.e. they were intended as imitation Wikilinks, then they can be replaced with:

1. [[No 10 Policy Unit]]
2. [[John_Smith (Labour Party leader)|John Smith MP]]
3. [[Oxford Internet Institute]]
4. [[St_Cross_Church,_Oxford#Historic_Collections_Centre|Balliol Historic Collections]]
5. [[Balliol_College_Boat_Club|Head of the River]]

The following "link":

• [https://www.theshirleyfoundation.org/ The Shirley Foundation]

can, if it were intended as an imitation wikilink, be replaced with:

• [[The Shirley Foundation]]

The following need to be replaced by ref tag references with template citations:

• [https://www.balliol.ox.ac.uk/sites/default/files/balliol_college_annual_report_2012-2013.pdf PDF]
• [https://www.balliol.ox.ac.uk/current-members/balliol-interdisciplinary-institute Balliol Interdisciplinary Institute]<ref>

Finally, what did you intend by inserting '' before and after the following reference?

• ''<ref>{{cite web |date=28 August 2009 |title=Honorary Fellows |url=https://www.balliol.ox.ac.uk/balliol-people/honorary-fellows |website=Balliol College, University of Oxford}}</ref>''

I suggest you remove the apostrophes.

In the main text of an article I suggest you avoid links similar to:

• [https://www.wikiwand.com/en/articles/No_10_Policy_Unit No. 10 Policy Unit],

and also check MOS:CURLY

I do not know what you mean by "Edit 'Clear'" and "Clear editing", possibly because I've only ever used the "source editor". Maidenhair (talk) 21:16, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

In response to your question "Why do these not correctly make the proper source code?", I have a possible answer. From your edits, I suspect that you use the "Link Ctrl+K" option to generate both wikilinks and references. This option produces the correct code for wililinks, but, if you are expecting ref tag refences with a template citation, not for references. For references in the visual editor see WP:REFVISUAL. Maidenhair (talk) 19:59, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

In your last edit of 12:41, 10 February 2025 you inserted the following references:

1. <ref>https://www.tuhh.de/ethics/advisory-board</ref>
2. <ref>https://www.seh.ox.ac.uk/asset/SEH-Magazine-2018.pdf</ref>

Both these references include bare URLs. As a minimum they should both also include a title, but ideally they should include a citation template, with additional parameters to |url= and |title=, for example:

1. <ref>{{cite web|location=[[Hamburg]]|title=Advisory Board|url=https://www.tuhh.de/ethics/advisory-board|website=[[Hamburg University of Technology]] (TUHH)|language=en|access-date=2025-02-05}}</ref>
2. <ref>{{cite magazine|date=October 2018|location=[[Oxford]]|editor-last1=Gasser|editor-first1=Brian|title=Section 2: reports on the year, News from the Senior Common Room|url=https://www.seh.ox.ac.uk/asset/SEH-Magazine-2018.pdf#page=18|magazine=St Edmund Hall Magazine|language=en-GB|volume=XVIII|issue=9|page=27|oclc=1274769145|access-date=2025-02-10|quote=Dr Andrew Graham, Honorary Fellow, has spent much of the last two years substantially reforming and reinvigorating the Europaeum.}}</ref>

I have previously sent to you the code for reference 1, what was wrong? Maidenhair (talk) 17:17, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I've only picked up again today. Sorry missed those two and have amended as you have suggested. They appear OK? I have also corrected hopefully Cite 5 ? I will slowly work through the others. 2A00:23C7:CEB4:BC01:C42D:F52A:1A47:C123 (talk) 19:24, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for contributing to the article Andrew Graham (economist). However, one of Wikipedia's core policies is that material must be verifiable and attributed to reliable sources. You have recently used citations which copied, or mirrored, material from Wikipedia. This leads to a circular reference and is not acceptable. Most mirrors are clearly labeled as such, but some are in violation of our license and do not provide the correct attribution. Please help by adding alternate sources to the article you edited! If you need any help or clarification, you can look at Help:Contents/Editing Wikipedia or ask at Wikipedia:New contributors' help page, or just ask me. Thank you. Sam Kuru (talk) 16:45, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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