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• Wikipedia:Peer review/Yoshi's New Island/archive1

Nominator(s): ★ The Green Star Collector ★ (talk) 01:49, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yoshi's New Island is a 2014 platform video game developed by Arzest and published by Nintendo for the Nintendo 3DS, essentially serving as a direct sequel to the events of Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island. (If you participated in this article's first FA nomination, you probably remembered that.) This would still be the first article for a Yoshi game to reach FA status.

I previously nominated this article for FA back in November 2024, though there were still a few issues that needed to be resolved, mainly related to citation bombing and confusing terminology. I believe I've resolved most if not all of these issues, thanks largely in part to a peer review by RoySmith, and I'd like to give this another go. Any feedback is welcome, of course.

Courtesy pings to all major contributors in the first FA nomination: @Cukie Gherkin: @SchroCat: @Thelifeofan413: ★ The Green Star Collector ★ (talk) 01:49, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The reviews are used in areas where the review does not mention anything that the text says. “where the danger of a risk” is an example of overusing links as per MOS:OVERLINK. Other than that, it is a FA-worthy article. Thelifeofan413 (talk) 08:32, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your input, @Thelifeofan413: Would you mind pointing out where the phrase "where the danger of a risk" is present in the article? I'm unable to locate it anywhere. Or was that merely a random example of overlinking? ★ The Green Star Collector ★ (talk) 14:52, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It was a random example of overlinking. Thelifeofan413 (talk) 15:06, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I could give you other examples that are in the paragraph. Thelifeofan413 (talk) 15:12, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Please do. Knowing the exact instances would be very helpful. ★ The Green Star Collector ★ (talk) 15:13, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Since I mentioned this at PR, I'll comment a bit here. You've still got Several reviewers praised its overall sense of charm and nostalgia, finding it to be among the game's best elements.[1][10][24][50][53] I assume the point of citing five different sources is to show that five different reviewers said these things. If I were to apply some pithy name to this, I guess it would be WP:SYNTH, but I'm not quite sure that's what SYNTH is getting at. In any case, it doesn't seem like best practice. I think what you want to do is summarize each review on its own, with an individual citation to it. RoySmith (talk) 22:07, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@RoySmith: I believe I was able to rephrase that portion to avoid any synthesis while remaining focused on the same topics. ★ The Green Star Collector ★ (talk) 04:16, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, that's better. Now, please find all the other places in the article where you have citation clusters and do the same thing. As some examples but not an exhaustive list:

• The game's soundtrack received heavy criticism,[5][7][13][18]
• particularly while stationary.[31][34][50][53]
• Miscellaneous topics of criticism included ... gyroscope controls in the transformation sections.[6][21][53][54]

RoySmith (talk) 14:58, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@RoySmith: How does the article look now? Are there any spots I happened to miss? ★ The Green Star Collector ★ (talk) 21:01, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

''Yoshi transforms into one of six objects.''

''a floating island that was''

''Retrospectively, Nintendo Life placed Yoshi's New Island eighth in its ranking of 13 Yoshi titles''

''Bowser to abruptly tear apart the screen and challenge the player''

Sorry about the late response. Thelifeofan413 (talk) 17:21, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Thelifeofan413: I've removed all of the requested links. Is everything else in order in your view? ★ The Green Star Collector ★ (talk) 17:47, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I’ll add more of these instances in the next few days. Thelifeofan413 (talk) 20:16, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Thelifeofan413: I have no intention to rush you, but have you caught any other instances of overlinking in the article? ★ The Green Star Collector ★ (talk) 14:17, 5 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

known as a boss.

game's sound effects and level design,

Baby Mario can telepathically sense Baby Luigi's location

there are six cooperative two-player minigames

I have only a little more I will send later. Thelifeofan413 (talk) 17:16, 5 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed every instance except "boss", as this has a more specific meaning in video game terminology. ★ The Green Star Collector ★ (talk) 17:41, 5 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Thelifeofan413: You mentioned that in addition to overlinking, reviews occasionally did not support the text. Can you point to any examples of this? ★ The Green Star Collector ★ (talk) 22:06, 10 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This caught my eye. Noting here that I'll do a source review soon, please poke me if I don't post something by the weekend. UpTheOctave! • 8^va? 02:49, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewed diff/1276615707

Reliability and quality

• Per the summary at WP:VG/S, additional caution should be taken with CGMagazine articles circa 2014. What makes this review a high-quality reliable source?
• I see a couple of Destructoid sources: what makes these particular authors high-quality reliable sources?
• What makes TheGamer a high-quality reliable source?
• Is there a better source that could replace Garcia (2014), a press release?

Formatting consistency

• Inconsistent use of title vs. sentence case
• Per MOS:CONFORMTITLE, Yoshi's New Island should be italicised in reference titles
• Inconsistent use of publisher parameter

Other comments

• Ref 4: shouldn't this be Moore, Joshua?
• Ref 16: Kotaku should be italicised in the title
• Ref 18: missing access date
• Ref 21: EGM should be italicised in the title
• Ref 33: reduce double quotes to single quotes; Crunchyroll should be the website, not the publisher
• Ref 35: italics for Yoshi's Woolly World and Mario Maker
• Ref 38: incorrect date
• Ref 44: where are we getting the original publishing date from?
• Ref 50: "Edge Staff" is not an author
• Ref 53: the newspaper is The Observer, they share a site; incorrect date
• Ref 56: "Nintendo Life Staff" is not an author
• Ref 58: if we're linking to Nintendo Life, then we should also link to TheGamer; incorrect date
• Ref 61: missing page number; does this book have authors?
• Booklet: missing archive; reduce allcaps per MOS:ALLCAPS

Spotchecks

• Ref 1: pass
• Ref 3: (a) does not mention Naoto Ohshima (b, c and d) pass
• Ref 4: pass
• Ref 11: does not mention that bosses are enlarged by Kamek
• Ref 13: pass
• Ref 16: pass
• Ref 26: pass
• Ref 30: pass
• Ref 32: (a) does not say these members were "key" (b) this quote should probably be attributed to Tezuka (c) pass
• Ref 33: says Tezuka produced Yoshi's Island, not directed
• Ref 37: pass
• Ref 48: pass
• Ref 51: pass
• Ref 52: pass
• Ref 56: pass
• Ref 63: pass

Thoughts

• A few thoughts on reliability, consistency, formatting and verification. Please ping when done. UpTheOctave! • 8^va? 21:11, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your initial comments, @UpTheOctave!: I believe I've been able to address most if not all of them. Here's some notes of my own:

• The press release has been removed, as there's another citation that should already support the information on its own.
• Yoshi's New Island and all other game titles should now be italicized in references and external links.
• I generally include the publisher parameter whenever the work/website's publisher also has a Wikipedia article.
• shouldn't this be Moore, Joshua? I would think so(?) But I don't see it formatted that way anywhere on the site.
• The missing access date has been found and added.
• I've checked the "incorrect dates" several times, but they looked correct to me. However, I did update an outdated date and added an orig-date.
  • The "incorrect dates" come from the current version of these URLs. Seems like an odd discrepancy. According to ProQuest 1509368359, 23 March 2014 is correct for ref 53. I don't know about ref 38.
• Non-authors have been removed from citations.
• Original publishing dates come from the Wayback Machine.
• The Observer is now the credited work in citations rather than The Guardian.
• I've added the publisher for TheGamer, Valnet, to the corresponding citation.
• I've found citations to support the bosses being enlarged by Kamek and Tezuka directing the game. Tezuka's quote has been properly attributed. Somehow, I've never been able to find a reliable, non-user-generated source to support Naoto Ohshima being a producer for the game.
  • Try ref 2: "...including Sonic co-creator Naoto Oshima, who was a producer on Yoshi’s New Island"
• I'm not seeing any authors for the book, and I unfortunately don't have access to it to determine an exact page number.
  • see below
• The booklet has been archived.

My main concerns lie with some of the sources.

• The author of the CGMagazine article has written more than 600 articles for the site, but the YNI review happened to be published in March 2014.
  • I note that it is listed as situational at WP:VG/S explicitly for "issues with user-submitted content and editorial policies circa 2014." Could other sources be used instead?
• The author of the Destructoid review has been writing for the site since 2009 and was reviews director at the time of the review's publication. The author of the other Destructoid source has written almost 1,500 articles for the site since 2015 as an editor-at-large.
• Content from TheGamer has been presumed reliable since c. August 2020, and the article was last updated in March 2024. This source is used for a list ranking rather than news or other factual details.

Please don't hesitate to let me know if anything else has come up since your original suggestions. Thanks! --★ The Green Star Collector ★ (talk) 21:32, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the replies. I'm currently travelling, but should be back to address these by Monday. UpTheOctave! • 8^va? 23:19, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@The Green Star Collector: replies above, consider unaddressed comments as resolved. The only unaddressed comment from my original list is that you still have an inconsistent blend of title and sentence cases. I should also add that I agree with RoySmith above. @Marsdeat: do you still have access to the copy of the 2021 CESA Games White Papers you used at List of best-selling Nintendo 3DS video games? If so, help here would be much appreciated. UpTheOctave! • 8^va? 22:53, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@UpTheOctave!: Thank you for the response. Would you mind elaborating on the inconsistencies between title and sentence cases? Is this referring to article titles in references, or is there another aspect I'm missing? ★ The Green Star Collector ★ (talk) 23:02, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Of course, no problem. The reference titles currently have a mix of cases, e.g. "Yoshi's New Island review: bringing up baby" (ref 9, sentence case) and "From Shinobi to Yoshi: The Story of Yoshi's New Island's Director" (ref 2, title case). These should be either sentence or title case as part of a consistent WP:CITESTYLE. UpTheOctave! • 8^va? 23:12, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I do not have access to the 2021 CESA papers anymore, and I frankly don’t remember how I got access to them. I’ve tried since to get access to the later editions but I do know that I’ve only personally managed first-hand access to that year’s. Sorry I can’t be much help on this. marsdeat^Talk 23:50, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I’ve just taken a quick look around to try to address what I can without direct access. The table of contents for the latest edition is online which helped, but as I don’t have direct access please only use this as guidance for where to look, not as definitive for the 2021 edition.

• RE: authors - the books as a whole are consistently ONLY listed as being produced by the Computer Entertainment Software Association itself. There are no overall authors or editors listed publicly (there may be in the front matter of the book itself, though I find it doubtful as it’s an industry body with an interest in being somewhat faceless). Individual articles within the books have credited authors, much like a journal, however the sales data come from a much more general reference section so there is likely no author to cite directly.
• RE: page numbers - I can’t help you there as the table of contents is a bit obfuscated in terms of what page these numbers even come from.

I suspect I got access through less-than-strictly-legitimate means via a forum user (or possibly a short-lived Internet Archive or other resource upload) at some point. I actually had access for a separate research effort of my own, and so citations on Wikipedia would have been incidental to what I was trying to do specifically. There are people who keep track of these numbers on all the major forums for this topic, but I can’t find a good way to verify information directly, nor do I have any good leads on who to contact nowadays as the forum scene in this space is constantly shifting.

Sorry I couldn’t be much help. marsdeat^Talk 00:10, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for this marsdeat. Is there any chance you know the section of the book these figures are in, just so we at least have a chapter/appendix per WP:PAGENUM? UpTheOctave! • 8^va? 21:13, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Nope, I thought I said this more explicitly above but I think I accidentally mangled my words: just looking through the tables of contents, I can’t quite figure out which section it would have been. There are at least two sections it COULD be in, and that’s based on imperfect translations unfortunately. marsdeat^Talk 22:10, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks again for checking, sorry for pulling you back in. UpTheOctave! • 8^va? 23:31, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@The Green Star Collector, no rush, but I'm wondering how you're doing with these comments as it's been a week since your last comment. Best, UpTheOctave! • 8^va? 23:34, 4 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@UpTheOctave!: Thanks for the reminder. I've changed every citation title to sentence case, my preferred choice of the two. I still can't explain the discrepancies with the "incorrect" dates; Wayback Machine shows that at least one of them was first archived a week earlier. ★ The Green Star Collector ★ (talk) 00:46, 5 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Two things: could we have translated titles for the Famitsu references; I'm still seeing some reference clumps in the reception section (after "flair or charm of the original Yoshi's Island" and "simply striking the boss three times"). UpTheOctave! • 8^va? 19:55, 5 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed both of those citation clumps. I'd also like to see translated titles for the four Japanese sources, but as I mentioned below, I do not feel that I can accurately convert them. ★ The Green Star Collector ★ (talk) 21:36, 5 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ref 14 is now missing an access-date. Ping me back when someone addresses the translated titles and I'll give it a last check through :) Best, UpTheOctave! • 8^va? 16:52, 7 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Both of those issues should now be addressed, courtesy of AlphaBetaGamma. ★ The Green Star Collector ★ (talk) 01:41, 8 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Last things per MOS:CONFORM: refs 14 and 53, normalise hyphens in translations to dashes; ref 48, game title should be in italics, not quotes. UpTheOctave! • 8^va? 21:49, 8 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Done ★ The Green Star Collector ★ (talk) 00:21, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support, strictly on source formatting, consistency, reliability and verifiability. UpTheOctave! • 8^va? 19:42, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Will review this. Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 10:56, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Remove references from the infobox.
• Add mentions of Naoto Ohshima, Yuki Hatakeyama, and Masamichi Harada to the article's body instead, with their respective references.
• I've read through the Gameplay section and did not notice any major issues. It reads well to me and gameplay elements seem to be explained.
• Same goes for the plot.

Continuing. Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 19:03, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• "This new 3DS game is a sequel, basically, to the first Yoshi's Island. It takes place after that." is just a repetition of "Yoshi's New Island serves as a direct sequel to Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island". I'd suggest removing it.
• Remove "A Nintendo Direct in December 2013 revealed that the game would be released in the spring of 2014".
• four critics from Famitsu gave the game an average score of 8.0/10 → should be in the reception template instead in the prose.
• Add |trans-title parameters to the two Japanese references.
• There's currently too much quotations in the Reception section. I'd suggest rewriting the entire section.

Oppose for now. Most of my comments can be quickly fixed, though the reception will definitely have to be rewritten completely to cut down the number of quotations. Maybe try listing the article at WP:GOCER for more help. Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 19:12, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your feedback, @Vacant0: Would you mind giving the new reception section a look over to see if it's on the right track? Also, with respect to Hahnchen's suggestions, do you see any other info in the development and release section that should be removed or moved to another section? ★ The Green Star Collector ★ (talk) 15:17, 4 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I'd say it reads better. And no, I did not spot anything unusual in the development section besides the things that I've already mentioned. Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 17:07, 4 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

• I've been opposing FACs for Japanese video games where the article neglects to mention the Japanese critical reception for almost 20 years now. Without it, it is not comprehensive, and shows it is not well-researched. The reception section (and others) shows a lack of editorial oversight, instead of picking the most important viewpoints, it just sprays anything it can find into the article. The Famitsu opinion isn't even hard to find.[2][3]
• Why do I care about what PCMag has to say about a 3DS game? Who is turning to a the Observer for game coverage? The Guardian may have good games coverage now, but the cited review is clearly just a throwaway paragraph in a sidebar of the Observer's culture page or something.
• Stop using single word quotations, they look like scare quotes and are distracting. If all you're taking is a single word, you do not need quote marks. Consider paraphrasing what critics said instead of picking off individual words verbatim.
• Too much trivia in the final paragraph of development, a lot of which is just empty marketing. You don't need multiple release date "announcements", it's all trivia. The US press event is of no interest, WP:NOTNEWS.
  • hahnchen 14:36, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I've done a check on Japanese sources, and the only other source I've found is this. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 20:48, 4 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the additional suggestions, @Cukie Gherkin: I was able to implement four Japanese sources. I would only ask for help translating the titles into English in the citations, as I do not feel that I can do this accurately. ★ The Green Star Collector ★ (talk) 22:58, 4 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Done in my talk page, although the ref14 may have slightly different language because there weren't any corresponding words in English. ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 01:05, 8 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Three weeks in and with two open opposes this is progressing more like a PR than a FAC and so I am regretfully archiving this nomination for work to continue off-FAC. The usual two-week hiatus will apply. Gog the Mild (talk) 22:59, 10 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Closing note: This candidate has been archived, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FAC/ar, and leave the {{featured article candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Gog the Mild (talk) 22:59, 10 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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