== Sindhi Zutts are not the same as Punjabi Jatts = Theory Debunked They are the SAME Their is one big mistake with it. I am from sindh Karachi. Their are no Local sindhi Jatts all the Jatts in sindh are either from Pakistani Punjab Province or indian punjab that came here after partition. The Zutt which was mentioned by caliphate are a local Sindhi clan who still exists but are camel herders. I think their is a confusion here because of the same sound. Yaqub50 (talk) 13:07, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Zutt is an arabic / persian word for the ethnicity jatt 2001:8003:471E:D100:1928:6BEA:EB44:8DD3 (talk) 15:56, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Zutt" is indeed the Arabic word for Jatt, but it's not accurate. It's like the word "Firanj/Farang" (Frank) being used to describe Crusaders, even though all Crusaders were obviously not Franks. Even on the Zutt page itself, it mentions how Arabs included groups like Andaghars, Sayabijas, Qufs, and Jadgals. It's a confederation at best.
Otherwise, at least make a distinction between the high Iran_N Sindhi Jatts, and the high Steppe Jatts (of Punjab, Haryana, Rajasthan, Western Uttar-Pradesh). They are genetically and culturally distinct. KhandaEnjoyer03 (talk) 01:11, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Dude, Punjabi Jatts also have high Iran_N (IVC) DNA. In fact, L1a2 is a major Jat Y-Haplogroup, which is of Zagrosian origin. Are you going to write off half of the Jat population because they don't fit your autosomal Steppe conditions? If you do that, you'd be ignoring most of Muslim Jat history, and a solid chunk of Sikh Jat history. Why would you propose that?
If your argument is that Sindhi Jats are distinct, then make that case without Steppe kanging. Forticus02 (talk) 21:18, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
and those jatts forefathers which were/are , in indian / pakistani punjab who have came after pation , migrated from the broader balochistan and sindh region in the medeval to Punjab in an attempt to find sufficient agriculture fertility 2001:8003:471E:D100:1928:6BEA:EB44:8DD3 (talk) 16:01, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wrong. Jatts do not originate from Sindh, contrary to what this article claims. If they did, then all Jatts would have the characteristically high Iran_N genetic component found in Sindhis (instead of the unusually high Steppe, especially among Haryanvis). There is also archeological evidence of Jatt figures like Shalinder. KhandaEnjoyer03 (talk) 01:13, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You are correct. Even if we ignore that Zutt was a generic term for Indus pastoralists, we cannot ignore that Sindhi Jatts (Sammats, Lohanas, Jamotes) and Punjabi Jatts are culturally and genetically distinct. KhandaEnjoyer03 (talk) 01:16, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
i am not sure if you are saying im correct or wrong . 2001:8003:471E:D100:45D1:EAF:1913:2C3F (talk) 11:39, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 31 January 2025

Add Lanhnda (western punjabi) to the languge section jats speak. WarriorBlood1 (talk) 15:21, 31 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. JustSomeoneNo (talk) 17:26, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed Revision to Jat Classification and Reservation Status

The current article states:

"Jats are classified as Other Backward Class (OBC) in seven of India's thirty-six States and UTs, namely Rajasthan, Himachal Pradesh, Delhi, Uttarakhand, Uttar Pradesh, Madhya Pradesh and Chhattisgarh. However, only the Jats of Rajasthan – excluding those of Bharatpur district and Dholpur district – are entitled to reservation of central government jobs under the OBC reservation."

The current wording does not explicitly mention that Jats are generally classified as a General (forward) caste in the central list, making the distinction between state and central classification unclear.

The jats in the central list falls under general category except the jats of rajasthan(excluding bharatpur and dholpur) and muslim jats of gujarat, see "the govt website of 'national commission for backward classes' the castes can be searched and their state wise entries can be seen"

Suggested Revision -

"The Jats, in most of the states in the central list, are considered a General caste (forward caste) [1] in India's system of positive discrimination. This means that they have no access to reservations, except the Jats of Rajasthan (excluding those of Bharatpur district and Dholpur district) and Muslim Jats of Gujarat – who are entitled to reservation of central government jobs under the OBC reservation. But they are classified as Other Backward Class (OBC) in the state list of seven of India's thirty-six States and UTs, namely Rajasthan, Himachal Pradesh, Delhi, Uttarakhand, Uttar Pradesh, Madhya Pradesh and Chhattisgarh.[2]"

The proposed version restructures the information to improve clarity by clearly stating their status at the central and state level.

  1. ^ "National commission for Backward Classes".
  2. ^ Saubhadra Chatterji (22 February 2016). "History repeats itself as yet another Central govt faces a Jat stir". Hindustan Times.

2409:40D6:1012:7B11:E80F:7C9:FDE1:ECFF (talk) 14:53, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 24 February 2025

In the History section, after the following sentence "By the time of Muhammad bin Qasim's conquest of Sind in the eighth century, Arab writers described agglomerations of Jats, known to them as Zutt,[e] in the arid, the wet, and the mountainous regions of the conquered land of Sindh." please add the following (feel free to rephrase or condense as you deem fit):

Several medieval Muslim chronicles such as the Chach Nama, Tarikh-I-Baihaqi and Zainul-Akhbar have recorded battles between Jats and forces of Muhammad ibn al-Qasim,[1] at battle of Aror (Rohri), the united forces of King Dahir and the eastern Jats jointly fought against Muhammad ibn al-Qasim.[2] Thank you. 220.255.242.109 (talk) 18:09, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 26 February 2025

In the list of jatt clans add chahal clan as well. 2607:FEA8:B70:1900:B545:FA2A:9D4C:E9AA (talk) 00:27, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I have done as you requested. I could not find a reliable source for this, but the not so good sources all confirmed that chahal is a jat clan. Furthermore, most clans in the list are unsourced.  Done Lova Falk (talk) 13:20, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 26 February 2025 (2)

2607:FEA8:B70:1900:B545:FA2A:9D4C:E9AA (talk) 04:18, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]


Add additional information under brief historical overview for the Muslim Jats, just as it was done for Hindu Jats and Sikh Jats.

Add the Rohilla dynasty of Rohilkhand and Rampur, founded by the converted Muslim Jat Nawab Ali Mohammed Khan[3][4][5][6][7][8][9].

Add mention of Chitu Khan[10][11], an anti-British Pindari general who played an important role in the Third Anglo-Maratha war.

Fortuitus20 (talk) 23:55, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

In addition:
Add mention of the Langah dynasty[12] of the Multan Sultanate.
Add the rebel Zutt principality in Basra, following the Capture of Basra. Fortuitus20 (talk) 00:00, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Fortuitus20 Can you please explain on where to add this information? Warriorglance(talk to me) 12:21, 10 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Chapter by S Jabir Raza Passages in the Chachnama, Zainul-Akhbar And Tarikh-i-Baihaqi, Text and Translation, from the book The Jats, Their Role and contribution to the socio-Economic Life and Polity of North and North-West India, Volume 2, pp. 43–52
  2. ^ Wink, André (2002) [first published 1990], Al-Hind: The Making of the Indo-Islamic World, Vol 1: Early Medieval India and the Expansion of Islam, Brill, ISBN 9780391041738, pp=201–205.
  3. ^ Sastri, K. A. Nilakanta; Srinivasachari, G. (1971). Advanced history of India. Allied Publishers. p. 572. OCLC 976740387. "Ali Muhammad Khan, a converted Jat, built up a large principality with its seat at Aonla, 18 miles north-west of Bareilly city and gained recognition from the Delhi court."
  4. ^ Prasad, Ishwari (1973). India in the Eighteenth Century. Chugh Publications. p. 152. OCLC 732111. "Daud was an adventurer of considerable ability and warlike spirit and in a short time gathered around himself a large number of followers. Ali Muhammad who was born of Jat parents was brought up by him as a child and converted to Islam."
  5. ^ Gupta, Hari Ram (1999) [1980]. History of the Sikhs. Vol. III: Sikh Domination of the Mughal Empire (1764–1803) (2nd rev. ed.). Munshiram Manoharlal. p. 11. ISBN 978-81-215-0213-9. OCLC 165428303. "The real founder of the Rohilla power was Ali Muhammad, from whom sprang the present line of the Nawabs of Rampur. Originally a Hindu Jat, who was taken prisoner when a young boy by Daud in one of his plundering expeditions, at village Bankauli in the parganah of Chaumahla, and was converted to Islam and adopted by him."
  6. ^ Prasad, Bisheshwar (1978). "Ruhelkhand and Farrukhabad". In Banerjee, A. C.; Ghosh, D.K. (eds.). A Comprehensive History of India. Vol. 9 (1712–1772). People's Publishing House. p. 140. OCLC 1405593320. "There he is reported to have captured a Jat boy of about eight years whom he brought up as his son and named Ali Muhammad Khan, who lived to be his successor and the founder of the state of Ruhelkhand."
  7. ^ Rashid, Abdur (1957). "The Rohillas". In Husain, Mahmud; et al. (eds.). A History of the Freedom Movement. Vol. I: 1707–1831. Pakistan Historical Society. p. 304. OCLC 1129482853. "Amongst other prisoners he obtained a young Jat boy of eight years.1 Daud took a fancy to him and adopted him as his son and named him 'Ali Muhammad Khan."
  8. ^ Srivastava, Ashirbadi Lal (1954). The First Two Nawabs of Oudh (2nd rev. ed.). Shiva Lal Agarwala & Co. Ltd. p. 103. OCLC 678892685. "While in the service of Mudar Shah of Madhkar, 13 miles east of Chandausi, Daud took part in an expedition against the ruler of Bankauli, 26 miles north of Bareilly, where fell into his hands among other things a handsome Jat boy of seven or eight years of age. He converted the boy into Islam, named him Ali Muhammad Khan and adopted him as his son."
  9. ^ Khan, Iqbal Ghani (2002). "Technology and the Question of Elite Intervention in Eighteenth-Century North India". In Barnett, Richard B. (ed.). Rethinking Early Modern India. Manohar Publishers & Distributors. p. 271. ISBN 978-81-7304-308-6. "Thus we witness the Ruhelas accepting an exceptionally talented non-Afghan, an adopted Jat boy, as their nawab, purely on the basis of his military leadership; ..."
  10. ^ Martine van Woerkens (2002). The Strangled Traveler. University of Chicago Press. p. 25. ISBN 9780226850856.
  11. ^ Richard Gott (2011). Britain's Empire: Resistance, Repression and Revolt. Verso Books. p. 220. ISBN 9781844677382.
  12. ^ https://books.google.com/books?id=oeItAAAAMAAJ&q=Langah+Multan
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