Hello, thanks for your input. I've started by editing the Reception section by adding the Metacritic link and 2 more reviews. Also changed the sentence about Steam reviews.

I was wondering if the gameplay section should be less detailed and condensed down to about 3 sentences?

That table list certainly is quite long, but could be useful to some. There is a similar table on the Pinball FX3 page (Pinball FX 3). [as an aside, that page should be called Pinball FX3 rather than Pinball FX 3 - is that something you can tweak?] Should it be a collapsible table rather than one that shows by default?

This was triggered by someone on a discord asking why there wasn't a Pinball FX wikipedia page when all the other notable pinball games have one, and timing happened to be on a day I wasn't doing anything. I've had some assistance from 2 others who also play it. Wilbers (talk) 17:07, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No stress mate, I know the notability process is a bit inscrutable and can come off as cold to editors trying to help. I think the best thing that can demonstrate the game meets the WP:GNG is finding multiple review sources from those identified as reliable on WP:VG/S. Three of these tend to be a clear, irrefutable case for the game being notable. You may find evidence for these from sites like Metacritic, Mobygames, Google News or the Internet Archive. It's important to note that some reviews included are just blogs or unreliable websites that may not help a case for notability. Can chat about the other stuff too. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 22:07, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have been through that list of reliable sources. Out of those there is a review on pushsquare, an article on gamespot, and a video interview on shacknews, https://www.shacknews.com/article/135662/zen-studios-pinball-fx-video-interview. I've added the first 2 to the draft, but not the interview yet.

There was also a Polygon article explaining what the ticket system was, so I've added a citation to that in a suitable place. Wilbers (talk) 00:31, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Awesome! Push Square is a good source. I've also found situational review sources in Softpedia [1] and Gaming Age [2] as well as an inconclusive one in PS Universe [3] so I think this will not be too controversially notable. The other issues with the article are not as major and wouldn't as seriously prevent a draft from getting across the line. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 04:20, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks a lot, I've added all of those to it. Is the reception section now acceptable? Wilbers (talk) 09:55, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, the article now has enough sourcing to suggest it's a notable game. There's still a lot of cleanup needed to conform the article with the manual of style for video games, particularly excessive detail and non-neutral prose and I'm happy to help edit and cut some things that would likely be removed pre-publication if that would help. Otherwise, can pass and others can fix it later as it's notable at this point. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 21:37, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Great. There certainly is a lot in that manual of style, and I've only properly looked through the first third of it. The non-neutral aspect is one I'd struggle to fix myself, and some of the detail I'm not sure what to keep or not. The long table will need to remain (albeit moved within the article and/or made collapsible if that is how it would typically be presented) as its the only way to fit all those wikilinks in which will be helpful for the pinball WikiProject. Wilbers (talk) 23:52, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No worries, at any rate, can give some pointers but happy to pass the draft. One minor note - as there's already a game called Pinball FX, might prompt a move to Pinball FX (2023 video game). On non-neutrality, can remove a few flagrant things like endorsements of third-party sources etc. Otherwise, feel free to resubmit! ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 23:59, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, its had some more edits, with the gameplay section substantially reduced. I've just resubmitted it. Wilbers (talk) 10:18, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Done - it's now Pinball FX (2023 video game). Congrats! I've added some tags to the article for other editors to cleanup, but these aren't issues that should affect the article's publication now that the review content is in there. Thanks for your patience on this one. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 21:08, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi! :) Can you help add a screenshot to the gameplay section for Skip Barber Racing (video game)? (some are here [4]) [5].

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Thanks! Do you think the article can be considered start class now? Timur9008 (talk) 03:29, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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I noticed that my draft has been rejected multiple times, and that you were willing to provide advice. If you have a moment, I want to ask you for advice on these to things in the draft: what specifically makes sources reliable (and why the ones I found aren’t), and what kind of information is unnecessary. I apologize for any mistakes I may have made. Signed, Kamenûk (talk – contrib.) 17:31, 20 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No worries! Notability is a test to figure out whether a subject warrants an article, with the purpose of making sure Wikipedia covers topics that can be dealt with encyclopedically - that is, as a reliable and independent source of information. In order to do that, it's important to have good enough coverage about something to make sure the subject matter warrants a mention and is covered accurately in all aspects. More information about that is here.

How do we do that? Well, to be notable, there needs to be significant coverage from reliable sources that are not primary sources. Reliable sources in the video game space, like those listed here, tend to be biographical in nature or secondary reviews from reputable publications. What we're trying to look for is evidence of wide coverage from mainstream sources providing commentary about the subject. A general rule of thumb is looking at the three sources that best meet this test, and evaluating whether they demonstrate this rule. More guidance on this can be found here and here.

In Granny, there are six sources:

• The first is a link to the Steam page itself. This is useful, but is also a primary source, so it doesn't help us figure out whether the game is notable at all.
• The second is a YouTube video about someone discussing the story of the game. YouTube videos are what we call user-generated - that is, anyone can make a video about anything if they're passionate enough. They are generally not reliable sources and especially not if the author themselves isn't really that notable or reputable. More discussion on that is here.
• The third is a Newsweek article about how to beat the game. The article is from a reputable publication. However, it's a game guide. It is a useful and reliable source to describe information about the game, but it lacks critical or detailed commentary about the game. Given that we're trying to look for commentary about all the aspects of the game, including its reception, this isn't really a helpful source for overall notability.
• The fourth is a Common Sense Media article with a short review about the game. The good news is that this is definitely reliable. But the article's content is a single paragraph 'review'. It provides a basic description of the game and has some limited critical commentary that the game is likely to be "too intense" for kids, is "challenging" and the visuals and art style are not realistic. This is probably barely in-depth enough.
• The fifth is a review from a website called God Minded Gaming. This obviously provides very significant coverage of the game and independently describes it well. But the game doesn't seem to be at the standard of reliable sourcing we would need to say the game is notable because it got a review from God Minded Gaming. It appears to be a very niche Christian review website operated by a single person. It's not quite what you would call mainstream coverage.
• The final source is the Granny Wiki. Fan wikis have lots of detail, but these are user-generated too, and generally published by anyone. This doesn't help notability, because any sufficiently passionate enthusiast could create a detailed fan wiki about a game they like. More information is available here.

Putting these together, you can see that there just isn't the sourcing so far to say this article has widespread coverage that suggests an article should be made about the game. I'm happy to follow up on this discussing how you might look for reliable sources, but this list and this search engine might be a good start. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 08:49, 21 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

And no need to apologise, I'm a pretty curmudgeonly deletionist, so if anything, apologies for any disappointment you've had so far in putting together the article and not being able to see it through. I know that can be a bit discouraging. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 08:51, 21 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Vrxces,

Hope you are well. I saw that you declined my Aftershock PC draft and left me a really kind note. I really appreciate that and your detailed advice on how to improve the draft. I understand that it needs more in-depth coverage, and I'll be working on that. However, I have a question regarding the sources. After reviewing several reliable articles, I noticed that CNET (pre-2020) is considered a reliable source. Since the company has two product reviews on the website, is the issue with my article related to the reliability of the source or the credibility of the draft or company itself? Also, I read that having three reliable sources typically increases the likelihood of an article being published. Is that correct?

Please, I’d appreciate your insights on this.

Repsjared (talk) 07:44, 23 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No stress - happy to chat. A few things - firstly, the main standard at issue is around ensuring the article has a neutral point of view. This is very important as you have disclosed a conflict of interest with the subject matter, meaning the standard might be a little higher, as it usually is for biographies or corporations compared to, say, a video game (which is my area of experience on WP:VG). So the below isn't exactly about that issue per se.

The other standard we're thinking about is notability - is the subject notable enough to warrant an article, and has enough sourcing to reliably verify key information you would expect to find about the subject?

Starting with your last question, the informal rule of thumb (covered in this page) is that if the draft's three "best" sources are reliable sources cover the subject in depth, then it's correct that's a strong reason to consider the subject generally notable. At the moment, the best sources seem to be the Straits Times and A+. These seem to deal with the background of the company in depth, and even though they have interviews which are a primary source, provide reliable commentary about the company. More of this would be very useful, and the article has an okay foundation to have a shot at being considered notable.

However, and this gets to your main question, the CNET product reviews are from a reliable source, and provide information about products of the company. But they don't provide much information about the company itself, just what it sells. This is an issue because there's a general principle that notability isn't really inherited from things a company makes. An example is that we get lots of articles about video game studios where the only sources are about the video games, so there isn't really a point to having an article about a studio without supporting information. Obviously with a History section, that's not quite the same case here, but I hope it helps you understand why the Products section is useful but not essential.

Let me know if you have any other questions! ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 07:59, 23 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks so much for your prompt and detailed response! I completely understand everything you’ve explained. I’ll work on providing more in-depth information on the company’s history and see if I can include more verifiable sources. I also wasn’t aware that Straits Times and A+ were considered good sources, so I really appreciate the clarification on that. May I ask how you determined their reliability so, I’d love to understand the criteria used? Repsjared (talk) 08:16, 23 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Other than looking for listed sources in WP:PERENNIAL or WP:VG/S (or project-equivalent pages) there's no hard and fast rule other than the guidelines given in WP:RS. Publications that are syndicated, have an editorial team, cleary have notable credentials for reporting on news are going to be a good bet. A+ and Vulcan Post are tricker as they look like product discovery journalism, which sometimes can be affiliate, but it seems very helpful with the interviews and background information. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 08:27, 23 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks a great deal for your response. Your feedback has been insightful and truly helpful. I will re-work the draft following all your advice. Your are very kind. :) Repsjared (talk) 08:33, 23 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No worries! The drafting process is iterative. If a subject is notable and the sources are out there, an article will get there in the end. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 08:27, 23 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks so much again, man! I really appreciate your assistance. Would it be okay if I shared my revision with you once done for your feedback? Repsjared (talk) 08:35, 23 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Let me know when you resubmit! I'm happy to defer to other opinions too. I think it's close - it just needs more reliable sourcing and focus on the background of the company rather than the products. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 08:41, 23 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, I will let you know when I resubmit. Thanks a lot again! Repsjared (talk) 08:43, 23 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello VRXCES, hope you are well, man. I've just republished an updated article with more reliable sourcing and a stronger focus on the company’s history. Let me know your thoughts! Repsjared (talk) 03:31, 25 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hey man,

Hope you are well. Stopping by to say a huge thanks again for your support. The updated article has been approved. Repsjared (talk) 15:56, 26 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers mate! Have a good one ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 21:27, 26 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hey man, hope you are well. Really sorry to bother you, but may I ask if there is a reason why the Aftershock page still has the major contributor tag? I have tried to raise the issue on removing to no avail, and I am wondering if it's prohibited to do so myself. Please kindly advise. Repsjared (talk) 03:57, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

As on the talk page, probably one for whoever put it there. I'm not sure how they work - I assume they don't go away just because the page is notable and has been published, and it's down to other editors to assess whether edits are needed for tone. I might be completely wrong on that! Worst case, try the COI talk page. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 07:28, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks so much for the response! Yes, they don't just go away. I left a message on the talk page and have gotten lead on what the issue is. The editor who placed the COI possibly still has an issue with the page and have made a few deletion. I think it will be up to them to remove it, which is kind of a downer because they are not so welcoming. Anyways, thanks again for all your assistance. Truly appreciate. Repsjared (talk) 08:47, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Is it because the sources are "not good" or do I need like more sources? I don't know, maybe I'm just dumb or something. I really need help. Appreciate a response. Where am sending this message anyways?? KiwiTheGamer (talk) 22:40, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi mate - not at all! Basically you need to see if the cited sources or other sources out there have any reviews to create a 'reception' section described here. Sources like the ones listed here are the best bet. There's plenty of ways to find these - check out the search engine, Internet Archive, or aggregators such as Metacritic or Mobygames. Probably the Internet Archive is the best bet. We just need some better evidence that some reliable sources have reviewed the game - or evaluated it in some form - to show it's notable. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 02:09, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi VRXCES, OGdonken here, responding to your flag on Draft:Kenneth Hurley. Page subject is a recognised industry name (in fact, the fact that another user has already made edits to the page is a testament to that). Also see the page Mat Dickie, which is equally about an industry name and is light on source material beyond Mat's own website. I've added Hurley's involvement in the upcoming television show, CryptoKnights, which is set to launch next month with a major streaming service, which at the time of launch will receive a lot of mainstream press.

Hi @OGdonken:, with respect - notability isn't determined because someone is recognised or not - it's determined by whether sourcing and coverage makes it possible to provide reliable information about the person. There isn't sourcing that provides significant coverage about Hurley's career in the draft. Looking at Dickie's page, whilst it's not perfect, features good sourcing from articles like this Ars Technica article, which independently and in-depth goes into Dickie's career. The Hurley draft doesn't have that and all of the biographical information is from the wiki-style page and the database which is not a good foundation for an article. On CryptoKnights, that might generate more sourcing, but it's not really possible to speculate that will do so. If this subject is notable, I'm sure there's more in-depth coverage about this person out there! ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 00:45, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks VRXCES, that's helpful information. We're dealing with a special case here, it seems. In your view, is there any portion of the draft article that's well-sourced as things currently stand? I'm wondering if by making (sweeping) omissions (i.e perhaps no sub-sections under Career; turning that into just one section that removes some of the less-sourced biographic info) the article as a whole can be saved. What are your thoughts? OGdonken (talk) 00:04, 4 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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