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Something interesting for you
I figured you might like this, especially the appendix. (Note the author.) [1] Tito Omburo (talk) 19:31, 26 May 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you for letting me know about it. It's certainly something, though I wouldn't describe it as interesting. I suspect many of our math articles in Wikipedia would actually look like this document to non-math editors. -- Taku (talk) 09:58, 27 May 2025 (UTC)
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- Please refer to my reply in the talkpage of the article. Needless to say, just because one editor believes there should be a maintenance template, that doesn't mean it cannot be removed. -- Taku (talk) 19:17, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
Please stop. If you continue to remove maintenance templates without resolving the problem that the template refers to, you may be blocked from editing. UtherSRG (talk) 19:22, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
- Now, you crossed a line. Threatening a fellow editor will actually block you from editing. -- Taku (talk) 19:29, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
- I think we need an intervention so I have reported the incident at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Edit_warring#User:UtherSRG_reported_by_User:TakuyaMurata_(Result:_). -- Taku (talk) 19:45, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
- Hey Taku. That was a messy situation, and I hope you don't encounter too many more like it. The feedback I have for you is that I think the community generally views tags differently from you. For the most part, I've experienced editors leaving tags until the problem is obviously fixed or until discussion shows consensus for removal. You're almost certainly aware of it, but you may want to reread WP:WTRMT. At one point in the discussion you said
"if there is an objection, one editor cannot insist on it, right?"
, and my experience is that most editors would say that tags should remain even if one editor objects. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 12:13, 16 June 2025 (UTC)- Depends on the community I think (which was kind of my point in my closing comment at the noticeboard). My experience is that I have almost never had any disputes over tags with other math editors (usually disputes are over content or notability) but such a dispute tends to occur with NPP editors or AfC editors. I suspect because they are used to dealing with new users, they tend to insist on maintenance templates over an objection. In the case in question, my objection was simply: one tag was redundant with the presence of another tag. The other party disagreed. So, the dispute was more of over an appropriateness of putting a tag that I find redundant; and I think I'm right to think no editor can unilaterally overrule an objection when trying to add stuff to the article, including a template. In fact, at the noticeboard thread, ToBeFree wrote "Wikipedia places the burden of proof or the onus to obtain a consensus on those favoring inclusion of the material"; they clarified the material includes a template. Taku (talk) 12:51, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
- It's not surprising that NPP or AFC editors end up in tag disputes more than math editors generally, since articles tend to be tagged when they're new or under review, and NPP/AFC articles are both. I understand your objection to the tag and don't have a comment. I didn't read TBF's comments as explicitly including templates as material covered by WP:BURDEN/WP:ONUS, but I don't mind conceding the point for the sake of discussion. Even if that BURDEN/ONUS point is a good one, it is my experience that the community frowns on repeated removal of maintenance tags by one party in a two-party dispute. My goal here is to share that experience with you, in case it is helpful. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 13:18, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
- (Yeah, neither WP:BURDEN nor WP:ONUS nor WP:BLPRESTORE apply to maintenance templates. I was trying to explain that this general principle occurs in various policies. Regarding the status quo, WP:PREFER offers this option and I took it in this case, but it's an admin-only option and it's optional. Users who are not acting administratively should never revert for the sole purpose of restoring a "status quo".) ~ ToBeFree (talk) 16:24, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
- I see. Thank you for clarifying. Taku (talk) 03:01, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
- (Yeah, neither WP:BURDEN nor WP:ONUS nor WP:BLPRESTORE apply to maintenance templates. I was trying to explain that this general principle occurs in various policies. Regarding the status quo, WP:PREFER offers this option and I took it in this case, but it's an admin-only option and it's optional. Users who are not acting administratively should never revert for the sole purpose of restoring a "status quo".) ~ ToBeFree (talk) 16:24, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
- It's not surprising that NPP or AFC editors end up in tag disputes more than math editors generally, since articles tend to be tagged when they're new or under review, and NPP/AFC articles are both. I understand your objection to the tag and don't have a comment. I didn't read TBF's comments as explicitly including templates as material covered by WP:BURDEN/WP:ONUS, but I don't mind conceding the point for the sake of discussion. Even if that BURDEN/ONUS point is a good one, it is my experience that the community frowns on repeated removal of maintenance tags by one party in a two-party dispute. My goal here is to share that experience with you, in case it is helpful. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 13:18, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
- Depends on the community I think (which was kind of my point in my closing comment at the noticeboard). My experience is that I have almost never had any disputes over tags with other math editors (usually disputes are over content or notability) but such a dispute tends to occur with NPP editors or AfC editors. I suspect because they are used to dealing with new users, they tend to insist on maintenance templates over an objection. In the case in question, my objection was simply: one tag was redundant with the presence of another tag. The other party disagreed. So, the dispute was more of over an appropriateness of putting a tag that I find redundant; and I think I'm right to think no editor can unilaterally overrule an objection when trying to add stuff to the article, including a template. In fact, at the noticeboard thread, ToBeFree wrote "Wikipedia places the burden of proof or the onus to obtain a consensus on those favoring inclusion of the material"; they clarified the material includes a template. Taku (talk) 12:51, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
- Hey Taku. That was a messy situation, and I hope you don't encounter too many more like it. The feedback I have for you is that I think the community generally views tags differently from you. For the most part, I've experienced editors leaving tags until the problem is obviously fixed or until discussion shows consensus for removal. You're almost certainly aware of it, but you may want to reread WP:WTRMT. At one point in the discussion you said
Apparently the article is protected. Regarding the §.Fundamental group, the following reference seems to require the curve to be non-singular. Ref:Nakamura, Hiroaki (2011). "On Galois rigidity of fundamental groups of algebraic curves" (PDF). Non-abelian Fundamental Groups and Iwasawa Theory. pp. 56–71. doi:10.1017/CBO9780511984440.003. ISBN 978-1-107-64885-2. unsingned by User:SilverMatsu.
- The protection is over (so you can edit the article). As for the smoothness, I don't think it's necessary a requirement but just that is common to consider a smooth curve. -- Taku (talk) 06:30, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
weak ω-category
Where do we explain the weak ω-category that appears when defining the weak n-category in the Leinster's survey? For example, adding a section of ∞-category to the weak n-category, or creating a ω-category? Also, for clarity, we might have to call it "Leinster's weak ω-category" or "Batanin's weak ω-category".
- Leinster, Tom (2001). "A Survey of Definitions of n-Category". arXiv:math/0107188.
SilverMatsu (talk) 09:01, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
- Probably a weak n-category, since Leinster's approach is somehow different from quasi-category one. By the way, the question is somehow related to my proposal to have an article on n-category in general. The proposal is at the talkpage of the weak n-category page. -- Taku (talk) 06:24, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
- Sorry for the delay, but I added my comment to the Weak n-category. I'd like to link to this discussion from the article's talk page. Should I use a permanent link?--SilverMatsu (talk) 01:31, 14 August 2025 (UTC)
- There seems to have been a consensus to merge strict n-category and weak n-category. Closer also agreed to the merge. --SilverMatsu (talk) 11:58, 16 August 2025 (UTC)
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Reference request
Can you try to find a reference for this edit of mine? I think it's correct, and broadly consistent with categorical references I have found, but I have been frustratingly unable to find a clear and explicit statement. I wanted to link Kan extensions in this section, and felt it was important to give some context. Tito Omburo (talk) 19:08, 19 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Tito Omburo:The following references may be relevant.--SilverMatsu (talk) 07:33, 16 August 2025 (UTC)
- Ref:Cicogna, G. (1978). "Examples of Functor Adjunctions in Elementary Analysis". The American Mathematical Monthly. 85 (4): 260–262. doi:10.2307/2321167. JSTOR 2321167.
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- I don't think there is such a rule. If you don't believe me, you can ask any other edtitors working in math-related articles, for example, at Wikipedia:WikiProject Mathematics. -- Taku (talk) 23:27, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

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The -categorical version of Beck's monadicity theorem
You might be interested in the following discussion:WT:WPM#Lead sentence of Beck's monadicity theorem. I'm wondering whether the place to explain the -categorical version of Beck's monadicity theorem is the Beck's monadicity theorem or another article of related to Higher Algebra. --SilverMatsu (talk) 02:25, 2 September 2025 (UTC)
There was a note about the axiom of choice, but I wonder if anafunctors might be related?--SilverMatsu (talk) 03:31, 2 September 2025 (UTC)
- So I don’t know that notion, so I cannot really say affirmatively or otherwise. —- Taku (talk) 11:48, 14 September 2025 (UTC)
- According to Rezk (2022), the statement seems to relies on the appropriate form of the axiom of choice. --SilverMatsu (talk) 02:20, 15 September 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you for the info. We (I?) can update the statement using the ref. —- Taku (talk) 06:08, 15 September 2025 (UTC)
- Sorry, at the beginning of section 44 of Rezk (2022) were talking about quasi-categories, but when talking about AC in "the Fundamental Theorem of Category Theory", Rezk (2022) seemed to be talking about ordinary categories.--SilverMatsu (talk) 07:23, 18 September 2025 (UTC)
By the way, in the precategory, even if AC is assumed, that statement does not seem to hold. Is there an article on Wikipedia that explains precategory? (Or would it be better to add that counterexample to the Equivalence of categories?) Ref:Ahrens, Benedikt; Paige Randall North; Shulman, Michael; Tsementzis, Dimitris (2021). "The Univalence Principle (CHAPTER 3, Categories: an extended example, 3.2. Categories in HoTT)". arXiv:2102.06275 [math.CT]. --SilverMatsu (talk) 09:14, 16 September 2025 (UTC)
- I found a more concise reference:Ahrens, Benedikt; Kapulkin, Krzysztof; Shulman, Michael (2015). "Univalent categories and the :Rezk completion". Mathematical Structures in Computer Science. 25 (5): 1010–1039. doi:10.1017/S0960129514000486.
- AC is still required for strict categories, the statement fails even if AC is assumed for precategories, and AC is not required for the proof for saturated categories.--SilverMatsu (talk) 00:20, 19 September 2025 (UTC)
Just to respond: it seems this kind of stuff is usually discussed in the context of constructible mathematics, where for example the matter of AC is important. But I don't know if many readers are interested in that aspect. On the other hand, in Wikipedia, we generally mention AC when it is used, as a matter of style. I will look at what reliable references are doing. -- Taku (talk) 09:44, 22 September 2025 (UTC)
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Just wanted to say thanks for your work on Random closed set and for moving it to mainspace. I had completely forgotten about that draft! Cheers, – AllCatsAreGrey (talk) 12:30, 19 September 2025 (UTC)
- Sure thing. By the way, you can also move it to mainspace yourself. -- Taku (talk) 06:16, 20 September 2025 (UTC)
Figures for 2-category
I created a figure of "associativity coherence isomorphisms" for associativity isomorphism, but will I also create a figure of "unit coherence isomorphisms"? If it is necessary to explain 2-category, I will create it, but what do you think?--SilverMatsu (talk) 00:48, 22 September 2025 (UTC)
- I am not sure if we need a separate article only for associativity, since as you said usually we need coherence isomorphisms for other conditions like unit. One possibility is to merge these into coherency (homotopy theory) as that article has a section on coherent isomorphisms -- Taku (talk) 09:40, 22 September 2025 (UTC)
- I agree, I think it makes sense to explanation both associativity coherence isomorphisms and unit coherence isomorphisms in the section on coherent isomorphisms.--SilverMatsu (talk) 12:08, 22 September 2025 (UTC)
- AfD results seem to be no consensus. I asked the closer and he said was no consensus to merge. (I thought the consensus was merge.) Would you like to discuss merging articles? I don't oppose with the merge to Coherency (homotopy theory). However, when explaining associativity isomorphisms, I am notsure whether to explain it as a concept related to the definition of semi-groupal categories (semi-monoidal category). In coherence (homotopy theory), associativity isomorphism is explained as a concept related to monoidal categories, and I think semi-groupal categories (monoidal category without unit isomorphisms) are a niche concept compared to monoidal categories., and perhaps just as niche as semicategories.--SilverMatsu (talk) 01:25, 18 October 2025 (UTC)

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I know the policy but it doesn't mean you can or should just soft-delete the article by redirecting the article. That's simply unproductive. Also, non-English sources are acceptable, since the idea is that editors not readers working on articles on non-English all be able to understand the non-English sources. If you insist on deletion, please use AfD. -- Taku (talk) 17:03, 3 December 2025 (UTC)
- A redirect is not deletion or soft deletion (which would be done through WP:PROD). The article history is there and can be can be accessed by any editor at any time. You can go back and improve the article the right way anytime. Removing unsourced content is allowed. Restoring content without adding inline citations is not allowed. The policy is at WP:BURDEN is very straight forward as to what can be done with unsourced material, and what must be done by those who want to restore that material. Just follow the policy.4meter4 (talk) 17:08, 3 December 2025 (UTC)
- Actually redirecorng an existing article is often considered a soft-deletion, as it becomes inaccessible to the public. Please read the paragraph starting at "Whether or how quickly material should be removed for lacking an inline citation to a reliable source depends on the material and the overall state of the article." Especially "If you think the material is verifiable, you are encouraged to provide an inline citation yourself before removing or tagging it." Why do you believe it's not possible to find reliable sources for the articles? Taku (talk) 17:13, 3 December 2025 (UTC)
- No that is not true. Read the policy at WP:ATD and WP:Redirection and at WP:SOFTDELETION. They are not the same thing. I don't appreciate the edit warring, because frankly you are digging in when policy language is not on your side. I don't want to violate WP:3RR so I won't revert further, but it is really bad to restore content without inline citations. That is just willfully doing what policy explicitly says not to do.4meter4 (talk) 17:15, 3 December 2025 (UTC)
- I am a very long-time editor and you're appearing you actually don't know how things are done. Please actually read WP:BURDEN. Especially the paragraph mentioned above. If the materials are not controversial, factually correct and we believe they can be verified by reliable sources, it's preferable to keep them and find and add reliable sources. You didn't answer my question: why do you believe it shouldn't be possible to find reliable sources. Anyway, I will wait for 24 hours until I start reverting again. As you must know, the edit warring is very unproductive. Taku (talk) 17:23, 3 December 2025 (UTC)
- I am also a very long-time editor. You are ignoring the policy at WP:BURDEN (see the quoted green text above). It's your choice not to follow policy, but don't act like you are. You clearly are violating the guideline.4meter4 (talk) 17:27, 3 December 2025 (UTC)
- There is nothing in the page saying that you're allowed to redirect an article if it is unreferenced. Also, again you chose not to respond to my question: why do you believe it would be very hard or impossible to find reliable sources for real geographic entities? nd again you're ignoring the paragraph "Whether or how quickly material should be removed for lacking an inline citation to a reliable source depends on the material and the overall state of the article." Of course, some very problematic materials should be removed but if they are not, a more productive process is to find and add sources not to remove them. Taku (talk) 17:33, 3 December 2025 (UTC)
- Actually yes I can. If an article is completely unverified and has zero inline citations I can in fact under WP:BURDEN blank the text. That is allowed. I can't delete the page though so I must do something with the page. As long as a redirection follows WP:RPURPOSE it can be done. This is something editors do routinely across the encyclopedia. It's surprising that you are not aware of this as a long time editor as many editors do this.4meter4 (talk) 17:36, 3 December 2025 (UTC)
- I don't know why you keep ignoring what I said. So to repeat:
- "Whether or how quickly material should be removed for lacking an inline citation to a reliable source depends on the material and the overall state of the article." You believe the materials should be removed right now, not tomorrow. But today. It cannot wait. Why?
- Why do you believe it would be very hard or impossible to find reliable sources for real geographic entities
- About redirecting. That section has zero mention of redirect. So, you're simply making your own interpretation that you can just bypass an afd and soft-delete unreferenced articles. That's very non-standard interpretation and as far as I can tell doesn't have a community support. Taku (talk) 17:44, 3 December 2025 (UTC)
- I am of the opinion that completely unverified articles shouldn't be allowed to remain indefinitely in article space. The article being redirected have all been unsourced a minimum of 19 years (some in this case being as long as 21 years). Plenty of time has been given to source these articles. As no editors have expressed interest in adding references in two decades, I chose to redirect them because I view this as an improvement to the encyclopedia. We shouldn't be housing completely unverified articles as this encourages rather than discourages article building in the right way under WP:Verification. Editors can have different opinions about how long to give editors a chance to verify material. I am of the opinion that once the article hits about the 15 year mark its time to redirect if there are still zero inline citations. That's a legitimate point of view. At some time enforcing WP:Verification policy can and should be allowed. Note too that tagging was tried on all of these articles and the tags themselves are 16 years old. 4meter4 (talk) 17:50, 3 December 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you. I must admit I didn't know the tags are that old (and that certainly affects my mind). It's true there are some articles that just don't get worked on especially, geo entries in non-Western world. What should we do about those old entities? From the perspective of readers, I believe even unreferenced articles can be useful so my view is that it is still preferable to keep them instead of redirecting them, mainly because the articles look factual at least (and the readers can choose to trust unreferenced articles or not). But I guess your argument we waited for too long is actually strong. So, I can agree on redirecting them if you must insist. -- Taku (talk) 18:06, 3 December 2025 (UTC)
- Feel free to restore the redirects if you so choose. Or alternatively take the time to find an independent source and just add a couple citations (verifying all of it would be nice but I'd settle for a just a couple sentences at a stub level). It seems like you have the language skills to do it, which is part of why these articles get ignored on the English wiki (we don't have enough people who can read Asian languages and comfortably navigate them to source articles). As long as we see genuine attempts at improvement in verification I think keeping the article in article space is fine. The issue I have is we get thousands of completely unverified articles that just sit there forever with no movement for decades. Sometimes applying pressure on verification is what needs to be done in order to get the community to care about these very old articles with no sourcing. Best wishes.4meter4 (talk) 18:20, 3 December 2025 (UTC)
- Well, that's why at least I added some references from Japanese Wikipedia; that's at least some improvement, right? I will see if I can add some citations too. Stubs are fine, as long as they are referenced. -- Taku (talk) 18:33, 3 December 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks for adding some sources. As long as you are committed to trying to put in a citation or two in each article, I'll trust you to do that and be very happy. That's really my only expectation here is that we have a bare minimum of content verified to a cited source. It doesn't have to a highly developed article. Stubs are perfectly fine. Best.4meter4 (talk) 18:47, 3 December 2025 (UTC)
- Well, that's why at least I added some references from Japanese Wikipedia; that's at least some improvement, right? I will see if I can add some citations too. Stubs are fine, as long as they are referenced. -- Taku (talk) 18:33, 3 December 2025 (UTC)
- Feel free to restore the redirects if you so choose. Or alternatively take the time to find an independent source and just add a couple citations (verifying all of it would be nice but I'd settle for a just a couple sentences at a stub level). It seems like you have the language skills to do it, which is part of why these articles get ignored on the English wiki (we don't have enough people who can read Asian languages and comfortably navigate them to source articles). As long as we see genuine attempts at improvement in verification I think keeping the article in article space is fine. The issue I have is we get thousands of completely unverified articles that just sit there forever with no movement for decades. Sometimes applying pressure on verification is what needs to be done in order to get the community to care about these very old articles with no sourcing. Best wishes.4meter4 (talk) 18:20, 3 December 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you. I must admit I didn't know the tags are that old (and that certainly affects my mind). It's true there are some articles that just don't get worked on especially, geo entries in non-Western world. What should we do about those old entities? From the perspective of readers, I believe even unreferenced articles can be useful so my view is that it is still preferable to keep them instead of redirecting them, mainly because the articles look factual at least (and the readers can choose to trust unreferenced articles or not). But I guess your argument we waited for too long is actually strong. So, I can agree on redirecting them if you must insist. -- Taku (talk) 18:06, 3 December 2025 (UTC)
- I am of the opinion that completely unverified articles shouldn't be allowed to remain indefinitely in article space. The article being redirected have all been unsourced a minimum of 19 years (some in this case being as long as 21 years). Plenty of time has been given to source these articles. As no editors have expressed interest in adding references in two decades, I chose to redirect them because I view this as an improvement to the encyclopedia. We shouldn't be housing completely unverified articles as this encourages rather than discourages article building in the right way under WP:Verification. Editors can have different opinions about how long to give editors a chance to verify material. I am of the opinion that once the article hits about the 15 year mark its time to redirect if there are still zero inline citations. That's a legitimate point of view. At some time enforcing WP:Verification policy can and should be allowed. Note too that tagging was tried on all of these articles and the tags themselves are 16 years old. 4meter4 (talk) 17:50, 3 December 2025 (UTC)
- I don't know why you keep ignoring what I said. So to repeat:
- Actually yes I can. If an article is completely unverified and has zero inline citations I can in fact under WP:BURDEN blank the text. That is allowed. I can't delete the page though so I must do something with the page. As long as a redirection follows WP:RPURPOSE it can be done. This is something editors do routinely across the encyclopedia. It's surprising that you are not aware of this as a long time editor as many editors do this.4meter4 (talk) 17:36, 3 December 2025 (UTC)
- There is nothing in the page saying that you're allowed to redirect an article if it is unreferenced. Also, again you chose not to respond to my question: why do you believe it would be very hard or impossible to find reliable sources for real geographic entities? nd again you're ignoring the paragraph "Whether or how quickly material should be removed for lacking an inline citation to a reliable source depends on the material and the overall state of the article." Of course, some very problematic materials should be removed but if they are not, a more productive process is to find and add sources not to remove them. Taku (talk) 17:33, 3 December 2025 (UTC)
- I am also a very long-time editor. You are ignoring the policy at WP:BURDEN (see the quoted green text above). It's your choice not to follow policy, but don't act like you are. You clearly are violating the guideline.4meter4 (talk) 17:27, 3 December 2025 (UTC)
- I am a very long-time editor and you're appearing you actually don't know how things are done. Please actually read WP:BURDEN. Especially the paragraph mentioned above. If the materials are not controversial, factually correct and we believe they can be verified by reliable sources, it's preferable to keep them and find and add reliable sources. You didn't answer my question: why do you believe it shouldn't be possible to find reliable sources. Anyway, I will wait for 24 hours until I start reverting again. As you must know, the edit warring is very unproductive. Taku (talk) 17:23, 3 December 2025 (UTC)
- No that is not true. Read the policy at WP:ATD and WP:Redirection and at WP:SOFTDELETION. They are not the same thing. I don't appreciate the edit warring, because frankly you are digging in when policy language is not on your side. I don't want to violate WP:3RR so I won't revert further, but it is really bad to restore content without inline citations. That is just willfully doing what policy explicitly says not to do.4meter4 (talk) 17:15, 3 December 2025 (UTC)
- Actually redirecorng an existing article is often considered a soft-deletion, as it becomes inaccessible to the public. Please read the paragraph starting at "Whether or how quickly material should be removed for lacking an inline citation to a reliable source depends on the material and the overall state of the article." Especially "If you think the material is verifiable, you are encouraged to provide an inline citation yourself before removing or tagging it." Why do you believe it's not possible to find reliable sources for the articles? Taku (talk) 17:13, 3 December 2025 (UTC)
- A redirect is not deletion or soft deletion (which would be done through WP:PROD). The article history is there and can be can be accessed by any editor at any time. You can go back and improve the article the right way anytime. Removing unsourced content is allowed. Restoring content without adding inline citations is not allowed. The policy is at WP:BURDEN is very straight forward as to what can be done with unsourced material, and what must be done by those who want to restore that material. Just follow the policy.4meter4 (talk) 17:08, 3 December 2025 (UTC)
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