Talk:Warriors (Lin-Manuel Miranda and Eisa Davis album)

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September 22, 2025Good article nomineeListed
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Did You Know
A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on November 10, 2025.
The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that the gender-flipped story of Warriors was partly inspired by the Gamergate harassment campaign?
Current status: Good article

Including the Genres

Is anybody working on listing all the different genres, Hip-Hop, Metal, Skaa, Neo-Soul etc.? Thetechhelper (talk) 05:33, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for raising! I kept a note of what I encountered while putting together the "critical response" section, but wasn't sure where to start with adding them to the article, given its proliferation of genres.
I found some good advice at Template:Infobox album#genre and WP:GENREWAR. In particular, the latter's WP:EXPLICITGENRES seems relevant here: "When classifying music, sources must explicitly attribute the genre to the work or artist as a whole."
So on that basis, I suggest we include fairly high-level genres in the infobox, but in a "style" section of the body or similar we can go into depth on what sources say about individual tracks or non-definitive classifications.
The album as a whole:
  • Associated Press: "an album that has deployed musical talent brilliantly to tell another story of going home, at the intersection of musical theater and popular music."
Elements of the album:
  • The Guardian: "Hamilton’s blend of combative rap, beatboxing, melodic sweep and plangent balladry is here spiked with ska, metal and salsa in a sprawling set of 26 songs."
  • New York Times: "features an array of genres: rap and hip-hop, salsa and merengue, ska and sounds from ballroom culture, R&B and funk. The boy band inspired gang has some KPOP mixed in. The first words on the album come from the dancehall performer Shenseea, a nod to the Jamaican roots of hip-hop; she plays a DJ who has a bit of a narrator-like role in the film and on the album. There’s even a bit of metal, for Luther, who is voiced by Kim Dracula."
  • Billboard: "genre-hopping"
  • Playbill: "not afraid to dip into the sound of punk rock, heavy metal, rap, Fania, and even contemporary musical theatre"
The Billboard piece above, and this Time Out one have some good quotes from Miranda on how some of the genres apply to the specific tracks, and why that's relevant/important. Jonathan Deamer (talk) 08:31, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

GA review

Passed. —LastJabberwocky (Rrarr) 06:09, 22 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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This review is transcluded from Talk:Warriors (Lin-Manuel Miranda and Eisa Davis album)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: Jonathan Deamer (talk · contribs) 16:56, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: LastJabberwocky (talk · contribs) 11:03, 17 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, picking up your nomination; I hope I didn't catch you at the wrong moment! I made some of the minor-to-medium edits myself. We can discuss them here if they are controversial. —LastJabberwocky (Rrarr) 11:03, 17 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks so much for this @LastJabberwocky. All looks like very helpful feedback! I'll action this weekend. Jonathan Deamer (talk) 07:11, 18 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think that's all can suggest. Thank you for your work, closing my review! —LastJabberwocky (Rrarr) 06:08, 22 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • all good; copyvious picks up genius.com profile for Warriors, but it's a wiki mirror checkY
  • "External links" section should be moved below References per WP:SECTIONORDER checkY
  • Wiki doesn't particularly love BroadwayWorld as it often republishes press releases and doesn't include author credits, BUT in our case the article is credited to Stephi Wild and isn't extensively used (just quotes a NYT interview). all good! checkY

Structure

Can you walk me through your thought process behind section layout? Most of the sections are common for an album and I would structure them according to MOS:ALBUM: Background --> recording ---> ~style ----> concepts and themes ----> release ----> critical reception.

BUT there are two uncommon sections: "Story" and "Cast". I have two opinions: (1) we structure them as if it's a stage performance with "Story" as the first section of the article and "Cast" following right after. (2) Or we can rename cast into personnel and put it below the tracklist, while story can be put in-between background and recording. See The Wall for inspiration. I lean towards the second option.

  • I'm thinking about merging lyrics ("Writing for guest artists") with "story", separating the plot summary with third level section "Synopsis". But let's see how other changes look before making or not making this on.
  • "Collaboration" can be merged with recording as a part of the behind-the-scenes info about albums's production.
    • "an album, not a show" also can be merged with "recording"; I think it mostly detail technical aspects of the production not the story themes
@LastJabberwocky: I must admit there probably wasn't as much thought behind the section layout as there should have been, so The Wall and MOS:ALBUM are good inspiration. I like your second option for the "uncommon sections"; I'll see if there are any non-vocal personnel that should be added here. I've restructured on this basis.
I've also turned the "recording" section into one called "production", which now covers the writing *and* recording, per your suggestion to merge "collaboration" into here.
One further possible change I'm interested in your view on: the above allows "Writing for guest artists" to be merged into the "production" section (instead of "story"), and "musical style" can stand on its own. The "production" section is then big enough to warrant sub-headings for "writing" and "recording". What do you think? Jonathan Deamer (talk) 13:33, 19 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Sure! I think you also should consider merging some of the smaller paragraphs by topic (e.g., paragraphs for collaborators contributions: Helen Park, Elizondo, "The album is mastered by Chris Gehringer...") —LastJabberwocky (Rrarr) 17:20, 19 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Made those changes I hinted at, merged/moved some of the smaller paragraphs, and made a different structural change with a "Concept and storyline" section inspired by The Wall, which gets rid of what I thought were the slightly clunky subheadings in the "concept and themes" section. Jonathan Deamer (talk) 19:58, 19 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You did a good job on the restructuring; I like how you preluded the plot with core concepts of the plot. I just need to check prose in these sections: concepts, writing, production, and in the lead —LastJabberwocky (Rrarr) 06:35, 20 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Prose

  • Los Angeles Times described earlier reports the album was to be a stage production as "speculation" ---> Los Angeles Times described earlier reports about the stage production of Warriors as "speculation"checkY
  • Miranda said he was touched by the reaction of his son Francisco to the album release: "Daddy, can we hum it at school now?" He knew he was not allowed to sing tracks from the album until its release. Davis said his son "was under NDA" This one is cute, but, respectfully to Lin-Manuel Miranda's son, I don't think his opinion is too important :) checkY
A shame as it is cute, but I think you're right ;) Jonathan Deamer (talk) 13:35, 19 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
checkY Jonathan Deamer (talk) 19:55, 19 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • real inter-gang truce ---> historical inter-gang truce
  • Eisa Davis describes Warriors as a "love letter to the origins of hip-hop". She again connected the story of Warriors present/past tense discrepancy? checkY
  • Vulture said the movie's "unforgettable lines echo across hip-hop history". It gives examples like the line... tense discrepancy checkY
    • check for other potential cases
Have made a number of other tense changes, which I think gets all that are necessary? Jonathan Deamer (talk) 10:39, 20 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'll try scanning for more potential cases; now all looks good on that front. —LastJabberwocky (Rrarr) 07:07, 21 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • to crews of MCs and dancers battling each other ---> to competitions between crews of MCs and dancers checkY
  • Miranda has said this approach was key to him understanding how his adaptation could be interesting to write, and that telling the story with female characters complicates the narrative in a way that makes it more compelling. Davis has described the flip as being a revolutionary and feminist act, given what she described as the movie's "misogynist, homophobic overtones ---> Miranda has said this approach was key to an interesting adaptation, explaining that a story with female characters complicated the narrative in a way that made it more compelling. Davis has characterized the flip as a revolutionary and a feminist act, given the movie's overtones she described as "misogynist, homophobic" checkY
  • Miranda has said it was very intimidating to write verses for people he sees as among the great writers ----> Miranda has said it was very intimidating to write verses for people he saw among "the greatest writers" Reason: Tense; put greatest writers in quotes because I'm not sure what Lin-Manuel means by that, so it's seems to be difficult to paraphrasecheckY
  • According to Miranda, one of his proudest moments as a lyricist was getting approval from Nas for the verse written for him, based on a recording of Miranda himself performing the lines. --> Miranda one of his proudest moments as a lyricist was getting Nas' approval for writing a verse that was based on a recording of Miranda himself performing the lines.checkY Went with Miranda has said that one of his proudest moments as a lyricist was getting Nas’ approval for a verse based on a recording of Miranda himself performing the lines, which I think was the intention?
  • ultimately settled on chess --> ultimately settled on a chess-related metaphor based on the Queen's Gambit Note: Not sure on the phrasing but I think we need to add something to "settled on chess"; this Queen's Gambit detail is from the guardian source checkY
Went with While writing the verse, Miranda wondered whether he could find a Queens metaphor Nas hadn't already used, and ultimately settled on a chess reference, "Queen's Gambit". Deliberate quotes around Queens Gambit as it's a lyric. Jonathan Deamer (talk) 19:59, 21 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • South Korean-born composer Helen Park is also a contributor, adding a line in Korean to the K-pop-inspired track "We Got You". Miranda explained to her that the song needed to be "the come on to end all come-ons" but then sneak in the phrase "you killed our hope". He told Billboard that Korean speakers would get an early clue as to how "nefarious" the Bizzies gang is. ---> South Korean-born composer Helen Park contributed a line in Korean to the K-pop-inspired track "We Got You", which was written by her under Miranda's guidance who wanted the song to be "the come on to end all come-ons" and sneak in the phrase "you killed our hope". He told Billboard that Korean speakers would get an early clue to "nefarious" side of the Bizzies gang.checkY with a minor ce
  • Miranda recorded the voices of his two sons when they would not leave him to work on the album at their home. ----> Miranda, as another addition to Warriors, made voice recording of his children when they bothered him at home during his work on the album.checkY with a minor edit to add a missing word
  • Released on October 18, 2024, it was executive-produced by Nas and produced by Mike Elizondo. ---> It was released on October 18, 2024, and produced by Mike Elizondo and executive-produced by Nas. Reason: There are two consecutive sentences that with subordinate clause, which feels clunky. Also swapped Elizondo and Nas because Elizondo feels more important and involved as a third collaborator checkY With a small edit to remove the first "and".
  • You can add albums's duration into infobox checkY
  • just for fun you can add pictures of davies and miranda to the writing section for more visual. You can use The Big Wave (film) for an example on how to format them into one template.checkY The Big Wave is a great example, many thanks!
  • I got another look for more credits and personnel involved in the production, but they are simply mentioned as "the band" and I don't think personnel can be expanded right now checkY
Yes, the only additions I got from the credits were Chris Gehringer, Pete Ganbarg and Craig Kallman. Jonathan Deamer (talk) 20:07, 21 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@LastJabberwocky: Think that's everything actioned for now. Please let me know anything I've missed, and any further feedback welcome! Jonathan Deamer (talk) 20:10, 21 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. You can locate your hook here. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by TarnishedPath talk 04:46, 3 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Eisa Davis, co-writer of Warriors.
Eisa Davis, co-writer of Warriors.
  • ... that the gender-flipped story of Warriors (co-writer pictured) was partly inspired by the Gamergate harassment campaign? Source: Associated Press - Miranda: "[Gender swapping the characters] was the coin flip that made me go, “I think I understand how this could be interesting to write.” Around the time I had just gotten out of “Hamilton,” Gamergate was happening online. ... Anonymous online trolls were just like, “I don’t think that women should be in video games. Here’s her f——— home address.” And that kind of act, the chaos of deciding to destabilize someone’s life and then just going back to your computer, the first thing that I thought of was Luther shooting Cyrus, pointing to Warriors and going, “They did it.” And now the Warriors have the rest of the night with every gang thinking they’ve broken the truce and they’re fighting for their lives over the act of one person with a gun. I made that connection and then thought, “Well, if the Warriors are women, how does that change the narrative?” At every point, it complicates it in a really compelling way."
Improved to Good Article status by Jonathan Deamer (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 20 past nominations.

Jonathan Deamer (talk) 19:23, 22 September 2025 (UTC).[reply]

  • Both articles long enough and new enough and both QPQs are done. Earwig has no valid complaints. I think the gender flip article is about three words off needing a lead section and perhaps some of the sections of Warriors could do with rearranging but neither are DYK disqualifiers. Not happy with the image per WP:DYKDIVERT, but the hook checks out, so let's roll.--Launchballer 23:40, 31 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Launchballer: Thanks for the review! If you've time (DYK seems especially busy right now!), I'd love to hear your thoughts on the Warriors section rearranging that might be necessary. After DYK, I plan on taking this to peer review ahead of a potential FAC, so any and all input appreciated! Jonathan Deamer (talk) 13:25, 1 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I might pop into the peer review or even just go in myself and make some changes. For now, MOS:OVERSECTION recommends avoiding single-paragraph sections anyway, but I would make the current Commercial performance section a table and only put in prose what independent sources have put in prose (at the moment, it's sourced entirely to OCC and Billboard). Essentially, I'd knock the Release, Critical reception, and Commercial performance sections into one. I'd probably also move the Style section into another section. I'd personally trim a lot of the quotes (especially from Davis and Miranda); for example, I'd distill the first two paragraphs of Writing and composition to "Both Miranda and Davis are credited as its authors without delineation of their roles. Tracks typically started as voice memos from Davis to Miranda, with one such voice memo appearing six seconds into the album's first track as its first sung material. On Warriors, each of New York City's five boroughs is represented by a well-known rap artist." (To be clear to any promoter; these aren't DYK issues.)--Launchballer 14:44, 1 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks so much, this is most helpful. Will tag you in the peer review after I've actioned the above just in case you've more to add. Jonathan Deamer (talk) 14:07, 2 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Peer review

Warriors (Lin-Manuel Miranda and Eisa Davis album)

Would like to take this to FAC. It's been through GAC. It also had some very helpful feedback at a subsequent DYK. Some of this I've actioned, some I'm interested to understand whether there's broader consensus on or whether it's more personal preference. Many thanks! Jonathan Deamer (talk) 16:49, 12 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • comment this is my first peer review, so only have two suggestions. Firstly, there are some duplicated references: 3 & 19, 9 & 17, 10 & 14 & 24. Secondly, I think more images could be added, especially for FAC e.g. one of Lauryn Hill for example near where her vocals are discussed and I expect there might be other opportunities to add images elsehwere, otherwise it looks very good to me Lajmmoore (talk) 20:38, 14 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks for taking the time, Lucy! Well spotted RE: duplicated references - this is fixed. I've added images of Lauryn Hill and Nas as two of the most significant figures in the article. Looking at other FAs of musicals and albums this seems about the right balance of images-to-value-added (eg. compared to a gallery of the whole cast), but interested in any feedback from folks who think something more is necessary. Jonathan Deamer (talk) 20:52, 16 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Tintor2: This looks well but I recommend certain stuff.

  • Avoid small paragraphs. Think of Wikipedia's writing style as a formal letter. Try giving each paragraph its own subject.
  • Shouldn't the ratings box be at the top of the section?
  • Reception could be rearranged avoid "X says that, Y says that" Rather than that style, try giving making paragraphs about different aspects of the album. I'm not sure if the music project gave that line but I've tried doing that in video game and anime reception sections like Devil May Cry 4 or Darker than Black.
  • Track listing needs a citation.

If possible could you revise my peer review? Wikipedia:Peer review/Fuuto PI: The Portrait of Kamen Rider Skull/archive1

Cheers.Tintor2 (talk) 14:15, 18 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I've stopped by your peer review! Working on actioning your remaining suggestions above :) Jonathan Deamer (talk) 19:56, 18 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

LastJabberwocky

Hi, still learning FA criteria, so cannot make an exhaustive review but i'll try :). —LastJabberwocky (Rrarr) 20:30, 18 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • I agree with Tintor2 on merging some of the smaller paragraphs that have a similar message (e.g., the first two paragraphs in 'concept and storyline' around gender and women as inspirations)
  • Consider mixing up some sentences that start with a date (e.g., In August 2023, New York Post was, In August 2024, the album's release date was)
  • There several quotes that can be paraphrased without losing its potency? (e.g., "bring what we love about them as emcees to the table"; "doesn't feel like it has anything to do with gang life now"; "smacks of corniness to those who aren't already musical-theater fans")
  • I would move one of the images to the left to make it more interesting
  • You can link some of the websites/magazines in the references
  • Consider separating self-published sources like interviews and Lin-Manuel website (see Brian David Gilbert for inspiration); BUT i'm not sure if this practice is applied only for biographies or for any subject
  • Consider moving charts below 'personnel' per WP:ALBUMSTYLE
  • This was previously its own prose section, but after some feedback at DYK I made it a table and combined it with other sections. On reflection, I think having its own section is better, as combining release/critical reception/chart performance into one is a bit much, but I recognise there's a trade-off with WP:OVERSECTION for a small table. Jonathan Deamer (talk) 10:47, 19 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • "unexpected pairings this quote doesn't seem to be capped with an end quote

@Jonathan Deamer: in case they did not see the above comments. Z1720 (talk) 14:53, 24 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks @Z1720, and @LastJabberwocky for the comments. Acknowledged, and will work through these. Jonathan Deamer (talk) 19:58, 25 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

RoySmith

Not going to do a full review, just a couple of comments about sources:

  • WP:NYPOST is considered "generally unreliable for factual reporting" and "marginally reliable for entertainment coverage" So while you may get away with the Oleksinski article, be prepared for questions about it. If there's a better source you can find for that material, consider switching sources.
  • My take on Us Weekly, from poking around in WP:RSN, is that it's marginal. Maybe it's OK, but if there's a more solid source you can replace it with, that would eliminate some questions at WP:FAC.
  • On the "Stupid stuff people obsess over at FAC" list is ISSN numbers. Some of your references have them, some don't. This lack of uniformity will certainly get flagged by somebody, so best deal with it now. Either find ISSNs for all of your references, or get rid of them entirely. Personally, I'd go with the latter.

RoySmith (talk) 15:50, 31 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

No activity here for over three weeks so I'm going to close this. RoySmith (talk) 13:31, 23 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]
allikas: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Warriors_(Lin-Manuel_Miranda_and_Eisa_Davis_album)