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Allegations of genocide of Ukrainians in the Russo-Ukrainian War → Ukrainian Genocide – Proposed changing the title to Ukrainian Genocide. There is evidence that a Ukrainian Genocide is going on see sources linked and sources on website for reasoning title change.
Two of those sources reference genocide. The others don't mention it.
Atlantic Council: The Russian establishment has enthusiastically followed Putin’s lead. Former Russian president Dmitry Medvedev has stated that “the existence of Ukraine is mortally dangerous for Ukrainians,” while top Putin aide Nikolai Patrushev recently suggested Ukraine may soon “cease to exist.” Meanwhile, poisonous anti-Ukrainian language has become so commonplace in the Kremlin-controlled Russian media that UN investigators believe it may constitute “incitement to genocide.” This week’s presidential decree threatening to deport Ukrainians from their own homes is the latest reminder that Russia’s invasion of Ukraine is no mere border dispute or attempt to address legitimate security concerns. It is a colonial war of the most brutal kind that aims to destroy Ukraine as a state and as a nation. In the heart of Europe and before the watching world, Putin is openly pursuing policies that almost certainly meet the definition of ethnic cleansing and may qualify as genocide.
OHCHR: The Commission is also concerned about allegations of genocide in Ukraine. For instance, some of the rhetoric transmitted in Russian state and other media may constitute incitement to genocide. The Commission is continuing its investigations on such issues.
Based on these statements, the investigations are still preliminary and have not reached a conclusion yet. Thus, they are at the moment allegations. But should the investigations reach the conclusion of genocide, the article's title should be adjusted accordingly. JasonMacker (talk) 17:38, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support rename to Genocide of Ukrainians in the Russo-Ukrainian War, following precedent of the Gaza genocide article being titled as such based on expert legal opinion and recognition by international bodies like the ICC. JJARichardson (talk) 16:25, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The ICC has not ruled that Israel or any Israeli official has committed the crime of genocide. Read the article listing the charges. Genocide isn't among them. Nevertheless, this article is about Russia's conduct in the Russia-Ukraine war, which means it inherently cannot use Gaza genocide as precedent, because the facts are different. Specifically, reading the charges presented by the ICC, they don't include genocide, even though the ICC can prosecute individuals for genocide. Yes, the claim made against Russia, that Russia has unlawfully transferred Ukrainian children, may amount to genocide per Article 2e of the genocide convention. However, that's not the conclusion that Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, and many other important human rights organizations have reached. Check out this search for "Ukraine" in Amnesty International's articles. They haven't accused Russia of genocide. Again, whether or not they should is a separate question as to whether or not they have. They have not. In contrast, check out this search for "Israel and the occupied Palestinian territory" which immediately returns multiple articles that say Israel is committing genocide. As I said above, once a consensus for genocide is established, the article's title should be changed accordingly. JasonMacker (talk) 22:45, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Russia's actions in Ukraine fulfill key criteria of genocide as defined by the UN Genocide Convention. Genocide is the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group. Evidence from the war in Ukraine suggests that Russian forces have targeted Ukrainian identity through mass killings of civilians (e.g., Bucha), systematic abductions and forced deportations of children to Russia, and rhetoric from Russian state actors denying Ukraine’s right to exist as a nation. These acts, combined with policies aimed at erasing Ukrainian language, culture, and historical narratives, indicate an intent not merely to occupy territory but to eliminate Ukrainian national identity—hallmarks of genocidal behavior under international law. 134.155.162.155 (talk) 20:22, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support I fully agree. In the Russian race ideology the Ukrainian people don't even exist (as separate entity or people). Goes hand in hand with "Stage 4: Dehumanization" [2], the Ukrainians are not people but Nazis, Fascists and whatnot. The goal is to bring the "fellow Russians" "back into the reich". To strengthen this perception the Russians move ethnical Russians to occupied territory (as seen in Crimea). Coincides with forceful displacement. The most mask down and disgusting form of this is the obduction of children. They are being stripped of their identity, and are getting told that they are Russians. This is erasure of the Ukrainian identity, or genocide. This would happen to ever child in a total occupation. Plus mass killings on direct order and all the above. Also, I think we shouldn't be to 'shy' with the term. Yes, there have been 'worse' things we consider genocide, but that doesn't mean, everything that doesn't 'hit' this 'threshold', isn't genocide. In the best case we, call these mass killings something that it isn't per definition. In the worst, we deny the intentional erasure of a people. And personally I think, not addressing it as what it is, is part of the problem. People still don't realize the extent of Russia's actions, and still think, it's just another 'normal' war about moving imaginary lines on maps because of politics. FaboVonDestory (talk) 14:23, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: The sources presented do not support the proposed move. None of the sources refer to the crimes and actions of Russia in Ukraine as "genocide"; some explicitly state that the investigation is still ongoing.Marcelus (talk) 20:36, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Correct me if I'm wrong, but this conversation doesn't currently use the correct RM template, nor is it displayed( on the page itself, and I think that until that happens, it's not a fully fledged, listed move discussion. Iskandar323 (talk) 07:05, 4 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as proposed. The currently written article is specifically about the Allegations. "Statements by officials and organizations", "International recognition", "Investigations and international arrest warrants", "ICJ case", and "Assessments" are all about the allegations or assessment of such allegations. The only section on actual acts is curiously "Involvement of Belarus". Conversely, see War crimes in the Russo-Ukrainian war (2022–present), which covers the crimes (alleged and otherwise). The proposal does not mention the actual article at all. It may be that it would be preferable to broaden the scope of this article and rename appropriately, similar to the War crimes article, but a moving before content development is putting the cart before the horse. CMD (talk) 09:03, 4 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Izium mass graves would be my first reference for why. My second would be that War crimes in the Russo-Ukrainian war (2022–present) contains this sentence: "A report by 30 scholars concluded that Russia is guilty of inciting genocide in Ukraine by committing acts prohibited by the Genocide Convention. The report further stated that a serious risk of more genocide exists, triggering an obligation for foreign parties to take action." Currently Wikipedia's front page has a handy link to a "genocide" page next to a link about the Gaza War in its "In The News" section, but there is no similar link to a "genocide" page next to a link about the Russo-Ukrainian War. That demonstrates bias in a way that is attracting attention from journalists. Zachary Klaas (talk) 07:56, 5 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Genocide it not about the amount of houses blown up, its about the erasure of an people and their identity. Exactly what Russia is aiming for, even in their own narative. FaboVonDestory (talk) 07:26, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It's kind of funny that, earlier in his career, Finkel wrote extensively about how the concept of genocide had been "abused", and about "attempts to use genocides as a tool to induce international involvement in political conflicts", but as soon as his birth country was attacked he changed his tune. Notably other scholars have said that "applying the same standard indicated by Finkel" would suggest that Israel has been committing genocide against Palestinians for decades, but afaik Finkel has been quite quiet on that point.
In short, I lost a good deal of respect for him as a scholar due to inconsistent stances, and would prefer stronger sources for the existence of such a consensus. (t · c) buidhe14:50, 7 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
References
^Eugene Finkel (2024), [[1], p. 1840, at Google BooksIntent to Destroy. Russia’s Two-Hundred-Year Quest to Dominate Ukraine], London: Basic Books, p. 13, ISBN 978-1-399-80972-6 {{citation}}: Check |url= value (help)
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Change link for "New Lines Institute for Strategy and Policy" under the assessments tab from "Fairfax University of America" to "New Lines Institute" DeAndrew1 (talk) 15:37, 10 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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