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Please use this page for discussions surrounding the creation of "Did You Know" items for April Fools' Day 2025

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Ground rules for this activity along with a list of participants may be found on the Main talk page.

Rules

April Fools Did You Know items should present some trivia that can be presented in a manner that is possibly unbelievable to the reader. This can be done through words or names that mean two different things, shortened names, unbelievable facts, unrelated facts, etc. The normal written and unwritten rules for Did You Know (DYK) are followed, with these exceptions...

  • April Fools DYKs are subject to the usual exclusions regarding prior Main Page appearance, but the normal rules for special occasions do not apply: the article need only have been created/expanded/brought to GA in the year immediately preceding the April 1 on which it will appear.
  • Proper capitalization, title formatting, and linking standards may be disregarded only if adhering to them will tend to give away the joke. This should be done as little as possible. (example from 2009: "... that Caviar, Chardonnay, and Hot Cocoa compete for the love of Ray J? ")

All other Wikipedia rules and guidelines still apply. Pay special attention to Wikipedia's Biographies of living persons guidelines if your hook relates to a living person.

Remember, we are trying to confuse and mislead Wikipedians and visitors, not lie to them. Keep all hooks and articles completely truthful, but outrageous. (examples from 2010: A hook claiming Dmitry Medvedev died in 2005 is ok, saying Mikheil Saakashvili died is not.)

How to review a nomination

Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets the DYK criteria except, per above, the normal new enough rule (long enough, no serious editorial or content issues) and the hook is cited. Editors may also alter the suggested hook to improve it, suggest new hooks, or even lend a hand and make edits to the article which the hook applies so that the hook is supported and accurate. For a more detailed discussion of the DYK rules and review process see the supplementary guidelines.

If you want to confirm that an article is ready to be placed on a later update, or note that there is an issue with the article or hook, please use the following symbols to point the issues out:

Symbol Code Status Description
{{subst:DYKtick}}

{{subst:DYKyes}}

Approved No problems, ready for DYK
{{subst:DYKtickAGF}} Approved Article is ready for DYK, with a foreign-language, offline or paywalled hook reference accepted in good faith
{{subst:DYK?}} Query DYK eligibility requires that an issue be addressed. Notify nominator with {{subst:DYKproblem|Article|header=yes|sig=yes}}
{{subst:DYK?no}} Maybe DYK eligibility requires additional work. Notify nominator with {{subst:DYKproblem|Article|header=yes|sig=yes}}
{{subst:DYKno}} Rejected Article is either completely ineligible or otherwise requires an insurmountable amount of work before becoming eligible.
{{subst:DYK?again}} New review Requesting a second opinion or fresh review

An article cannot be officially promoted until a reviewer has given approval ( or ) to at least one of the article's hooks.

Nominations

Awaiting verification

Note: Nominations for April 1 should be added to Template talk:Did you know in the usual way, as well as below.

Hundreds of Beavers

De Semlyen, Nick (July 12, 2024). "Hundreds of Beavers Review". Empire. Archived from the original on July 12, 2024.
Improved to Good Article status by Jon698 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 79 past nominations.

Jon698 (talk) 02:53, 17 February 2025 (UTC).[reply]

  • QPQ done, new GA, article almost looks good (completely uncited plot but this seems to be standard). There is a less-than-ideal but seemingly acceptable Twitter citation for an award. I do think the hooks need clarification, specifically to mention it's a modern indie film, but more than anything I wanted to bring to your attention that the title "Hundreds of Beavers" makes this prime for a potential April 1 DYK hook. Something along the lines of "...that the Mario games inspired hundreds of beavers?". Let me know what you think. Otherwise, we can go with the first one you provided given a bit more clarity in the hook. Departure– (talk) 04:43, 17 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hayes Manufacturing Company

  • ... that a bulldog bought two-thirds of the letter "-H-" in 1971?
  • Source: Francis, Daniel (September 1, 2012). Robertson, Pam (ed.). Trucking in British Columbia: An Illustrated History. Madeira Park, British Columbia, Canada: Harbour Publishing. p. 81. ISBN 978-1-55017-561-5.
  • Reviewed:
Improved to Good Article status by CosXZ (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

Cos (X + Z) 14:59, 15 January 2025 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: Yes - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith
  • Interesting: Yes
  • Other problems: No - Thank you for your work on the article! The hook is certainly interesting, but IMO it doesn't provide enough context to the reader, and the article doesn't mention the letter "-H-" anywhere. Are there any other possible hooks?
QPQ: None required.

Overall: '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 13:12, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • @CanonNi: the "-H-" is Hayes signature hood ornament.
    For example, take a look at the bullbar.
  • But if you want, I'll give you another hook:
ALT1: ... that the Hayes Manufacturing Company were the first logging truck manufacturing company to introduce diesel engines to their trucks in 1933?

Source: Holtzman, Stan (1995). American Semi Trucks. Osceola, Wisconsin: Motorbooks International. p. 46. ISBN 978-1610605731.

-Cos (X + Z) 15:13, 16 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]


unpromoted per WT:DYK, needs some more workshopping on the hook, and consideration for DYKAPRIL. If we could find an image of the bus, that would be a bonus. RoySmith (talk) 15:15, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Verified hooks

Barack Obama (horse)

Created by Di (they-them) (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 15 past nominations.

Di (they-them) (talk) 16:20, 22 July 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Well, this definitely won't lead to anyone freaking out when opening the Main Page. No, seriously, I love the original hook, and the other two are good backup alternatives if anyone wants to limit the surprise effect to more reasonable levels. Regarding the article, it's new enough, long enough, well-sourced enough and copyvio-free, and includes the content of ALT0 and ALT1. No WP:BLP (or should it be WP:BDH?) issues as far as I can see.
Only one very esoteric thing to note: all horses are traditionally registered with a date of birth of "January 1st", even if they were born later in the year, so the article technically doesn't have the information that he died at age 20 beyond the age template (should {{Death date and age}} have a variant for horses?). Either way, that's pretty much a non-issue, and the DYK is approved! Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 16:40, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
After a little more research, it looks like I was mistaken, and horse age is also calculated from January 1. So the information is enough to say that the horse was "20 years old" for horse purposes, even if it might not have lived 20 literal years. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 16:55, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Di (they-them), are you willing for this to wait for WP:DYKAPRIL? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 17:18, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@AirshipJungleman29: Sure, that's fine with me. Di (they-them) (talk) 18:27, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I want to ask to update this hook and merge this nomination with Template:Did you know nominations/Kamala (elephant). I'm not really sure what the procedure for that is. Di (they-them) (talk) 21:33, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Copying from Kamala's DYKN, Kamala needs a review. Thanks, charlotte 👸♥📱 04:51, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • @Di (they-them), Chaotic Enby, AirshipJungleman29, Queen of Hearts, and Queen of Hearts mobile: Will do this after I've slept, ping me if I forget.--Launchballer 01:49, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    What makes Kamala notable? Of the seven references, the first six are nothing other than 'she died' and the seventh doesn't mention the elephant. I don't see WP:SUSTAINED coverage.--Launchballer 14:11, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Di (they-them), Chaotic Enby, Queen of Hearts, and Queen of Hearts mobile: Please address the above.--Launchballer 14:42, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks for the ping, and yes it is indeed a good point to consider. I did find these 2014 Washington Post articles ([1], [2]) on the transfer of Kamala (and two other elephants) from Calgary to Washington, D.C., although I leave it to your judgement to decide whether that is enough to meet WP:SUSTAINED. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 14:49, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I'll echo Chaotic Enby (thanks for finding those btw), I think the 2014 sources establish sustained notability. Di (they-them) (talk) 16:23, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Launchballer: charlotte 👸♥ 05:45, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I think so as well. This is long enough, new enough and the QPQ's done (The Catholic Spirit, haven't checked Stuff Matters). Hook checks out; the Washington Post is paywalled, but it checks out to the Smithsonian and to WJLA. I see no reason why this might deserve a maintenance template; an Earwig check shows several WP:LIMITED phrases.--Launchballer 11:47, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Oh, it just occurred to me that the euthanasia hook might be a BLP issue. Since this has until April, I'll add a less potentially offensive alt:
    ALT4 ... that Barack Obama was a horse and Kamala was an elephant?
    Di (they-them) (talk) 01:11, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    this hook is also fine (this article was talked about in a Discord server, but a review was not requested). charlotte 👸♥ 01:15, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]


    The United States of America (album)

    • ALT1: ... that the title of the 1968 album The United States of America was intended to be a political statement akin to "hanging the flag upside down"?
      • Reviewed:
      • Comment: Had to find an alternate source that I could easily link to as the article uses a book source
    Improved to Good Article status by Iostn (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    Iostn (talk) 21:45, 23 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    It would be brilliant. But add the italics and the quotation marks and it should work reasonably well on any day. Surtsicna (talk) 20:02, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • The article was promoted to GA status 5 days before the DYK nomination. It is, unsurprisingly, also long enough and it meets the sourcing, neutrality, and copyright requirements. The hooks proposed by Iostn are fine, but there is a clear potential for something much grander. See Launchballer's suggestion. We rarely get such gems in the rough, Iostn, but let me know if you cannot bother and I will approve your original hook. Surtsicna (talk) 20:13, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Hi, Surtsicna, I think I'm going to hang on with this nom and wait for the April Fools' proposal, if possible Iostn (talk) 15:51, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Iostn: While quirky, I do not think this hook fits the spirit of the type of hooks used in the April Fools DYK set. Z1720 (talk) 23:06, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It could in theory work as a regular quirky hook rather than an AFD hook, although the decision about that could be left to a promoter. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:54, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    There's a few other quotes that could be used instead, such as 'met a "mixed reception"' or something from 'wasn't half bad. Some of it was embarrassing but some of it really stood up over time'.--Launchballer 10:00, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    What is the status of this nomination?--Launchballer 17:12, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Iostn, Surtsicna, Z1720, and Narutolovehinata5: As this is a day away from time out and is taking up room at T:TDYK, I am approving ALT1 ("Guevara" isn't in the article). Any promoter at Approved is free to approve either ALT2 or move any of the following April Fools' hooks into WP:DYKAPRIL for approval:
    ALT3: ... that the United States of America met a mixed reception?
    ALT4: ... that the United States of America wasn't half bad?
    ALT5: ... that some of the United States of America was embarrassing?
    ALT6: ... that some of the United States of America really stood up over time?--Launchballer 14:08, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    May I suggest:
    ALT7: ... people thought the United States of America "snooty, loud and obnoxious"? Iostn (talk) 21:17, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That hook appears to apply to the band rather than the album, otherwise good idea.--Launchballer 13:33, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    information Note: moved to WP:DYKAPRIL. ALTs 2&3 approved. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 14:32, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Bliss (photograph)

    Improved to Good Article status by Vacant0 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 12 past nominations.

    Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 17:06, 15 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Bliss is still copyrighted right? DYK doesn't allow fair-use pictures to be used on the Main Page unfortunately. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:28, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, it is copyrighted and owned by Microsoft. It would be cool to include the photograph but I'm unsure if DYK rules allow this. Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 20:16, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    From WP:DYKIMG: The media must be freely licensed—fair-use images are not permitted on the Main Page. So the answer is no. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:44, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I'd rather prefer other proposed blurbs. Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 21:10, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That's too bad. ALT5 is the best of them all. Viriditas (talk) 20:21, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Will be claiming this for review and will do the full review once I come back from vacation. I have to agree with Viriditas that the quirky hook is the best option here. While some of the other options do meet DYKINT, the quirky is the one most likely to attract readers. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 05:28, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • The article was promoted to GA status on time. It meets the other DYK article criteria as well such as length and close paraphrasing. Quotes are properly cited. A QPQ has been done and it was completed. For the purposes of review I'm approving two hooks, one quirky (ALT5) and one non quirky (ALT4). It's too bad the picture is copyrighted because ALT4 would have been very effective with the picture, but oh well. I will leave it to the promoter if ALT5 is to be held for April Fools, or if it runs as a regular quirky. ALT5 is the preferred option, ALT4 is more the backup. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:54, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Los Justicieros

    Improved to Good Article status by Grnrchst (talk). Number of QPQs required: 2. DYK is currently in unreviewed backlog mode and nominator has 46 past nominations.

    Grnrchst (talk) 16:51, 27 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    • Concern (not a full review): While referring to "Los Justicieros" as "The Avengers" (i.e., the comic book superheroes, The Avengers) is fun (and quite hooky) for April Fool's Day, it is misleading for any other day. Indeed, there are no sources referring to "The Justicieros" as "The Avengers", and Google translates "justicieros" as "vigilantes" and not "avengers". Further, "avengers" is translated as "vengadores", not "justicieros". Cbl62 (talk) 14:45, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Also, since Los Justicieros dissovled as a group in the early 1920s, the "alt 1" hook should refer to "former members". Cbl62 (talk) 14:58, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • @Cbl62: It is not true that no sources [refer] to "The Justicieros" as "The Avengers". Varela 2019 specifically translates it to "The Avengers"; Umoja 2015 translates it to "The Avenging Ones". I'm a Spanish speaker and can confirm (better than a bad machine translation anyway) that "Avengers" is an acceptable translation for "Justicieros"; the word "justiciero" is often used as an adjective to mean "avenging". "Justiceros" can indeed be translated as "vigilantes", although "vigilante" is already a word in Spanish, so the common translation for "vigilante" is just "vigilante". I don't think we should be ignoring how sources translate the name because a robot says something else. --Grnrchst (talk) 11:04, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment: For the record, I'm not opposed to posting it at a different time using their original Spanish name. I just thought using the (yes, sourced) translation for a 1 April hook would be fun. I have also amended ALT1 per the suggestion. --Grnrchst (talk) 11:15, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I have checked several dictionaries and while they generally translate "avengers" as "vengadores", I did find one (here) that translates "justiciero" as "avenger". Accordingly, I withdraw part of my comments above and believe this could be a very effective April Fool's Day hook. Cbl62 (talk) 12:12, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    2018 Batman by-election

    Improved to Good Article status by GraziePrego (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 6 past nominations.

    GraziePrego (talk) 03:11, 15 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    TarnishedPathtalk 06:38, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    — Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 21:16, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    @Vigilantcosmicpenguin your suggested alt isn't supported by the source you gave, however it is supported by https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-17/voters-head-to-polls-for-batman-byelection/9553388. @GraziePrego, what do you think of the suggested alts? Also it appears that you need to do QPQ for one review. TarnishedPathtalk 05:46, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I would be happy with either of the suggested Alt hooks, I think I'm happy to let a reviewer choose between them and the original ones I suggested. I have also done a QPQ by reviewing the DYK for Bill Morrow (Australian politician). GraziePrego (talk) 07:03, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    My apologies, I'm new to this and wasn't reading all of the nomination. TarnishedPathtalk 03:48, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    This nomination has not yet received a full review. Flibirigit (talk) 18:32, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Nominated within bounds of GA promotion, writing is appropriately sourced and free of copyvios. Most of the images are appropriately licensed, but the photos with the logos at the bottom of the article raise questions regarding copyvio; I'd say just remove them (unless the logos are public domain/appropriately licensed; I might have missed that). Otherwise, I'm willing to approve with a strong preference for ALT3. ~ Pbritti (talk) 21:48, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Pbritti are you referring to the two images of the coffee mug which has campaign material on it and the Labor campaign t-shirt? All of those images were extracted from Flikr and all of the respective pages from Flickr have statements that they are public domain linking to https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/mark/1.0/. I do however have concerns that the person who uploaded those images to Flikr has the right to decide that those photos of another's work are public domain. If those are the photos you are referring to then I agree best to remove as they don't really add anything to the article anyway. Can you please confirm if those are the images. TarnishedPathtalk 00:43, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @TarnishedPath: Confirming that those are the images in question. There's no doubt about them being from a valid Flickr license, but I believe that this is an instance of license laundering and that the prominence of the logos prohibits the release of the images under a CC license. ~ Pbritti (talk) 00:48, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Pbritti, I agree entirely. I've removed them from the article and I'll probably CSD them on commons later. I'll do some reverse image lookups first to find where the images originally came from. The copyright most likely belongs to the Australian Labor Party. TarnishedPathtalk 01:16, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks for the assist, TarnishedPath! ~ Pbritti (talk) 02:24, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    GraziePrego, would you want ALT3 to be saved for the April Fool's set? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 10:51, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    AirshipJungleman29 That would be great actually, yes please. Thank you TarnishedPath for the fixes to the article as well! :) GraziePrego (talk) 01:08, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Neptune All Night

    Created by RoySmith (talk). Number of QPQs required: 2. DYK is currently in unreviewed backlog mode and nominator has 44 past nominations.

    RoySmith (talk) 20:31, 15 December 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    • @RoySmith: You have pinged the right girl... WHYY-TV is one of my GAs! Double QPQ present. I made a couple of tweaks, one of which is a publication title worth repairing and the other adding a newspaper ref listing some of the panelists. Nothing looks out of place with text or copyvio or needing citations. I'm wondering about the hook, and I'm also wondering if labeling it WHYY is gonna scare viewers off. (Notice I almost never use call letters now?) I have a further question because "four hours, six minutes" isn't "six hours, four minutes" as in the article which also needs to be resolved. Perhaps some other rephrasing like... Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 22:20, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    ALT1: ... that pictures on a 1989 science TV show arrived after a signal delay of over (four/six) hours?

    I fixed the time delay (thanks for catching that). I like keeping the hook shorter, so how about we just drop the station name:

    RoySmith (talk) 23:19, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Alien Mus

    Created by Jeromi Mikhael (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 66 past nominations.

    Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 12:36, 10 January 2025 (UTC).[reply]

    This does not even have to be saved for 1 April. They are normal hooks, just very good. Surtsicna (talk) 15:24, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    I've pulled this per the complaint at WP:ERRORS. We're not running a hook just to make fun of somebody's name. RoySmith (talk) 10:44, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    @Jeromi Mikhael: Will you be able to propose more conventional hooks? The nomination will time out in six days, so if the nomination is to continue that needs to be resolved as soon as possible. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:28, 4 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @Narutolovehinata5: I have mentioned explicitly in my initial nomination that this DYK would be reserved for 1 April, and all I need is any approval for one of the several DYK hooks I've proposed. It is beyond my responsibility that this DYK is placed before or after 1 April. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 14:27, 4 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @Launchballer: could you explain why did you remove this from the list of AFD DYK hooks? There's clearly no consensus that this DYK was changed to a normal one; you haven't informed me, as the original nominator, on the decision; you didn't even participate in this discussion. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 14:32, 4 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Because all of the above hooks have been designated unsuitable per this complaint at ERRORS. Courtesy pings to @RoySmith: and @Fram:.--Launchballer 14:39, 4 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Har har, look at these stupid foreigners with their silly names! It's a welcome relief from the usual misogyny and sexism at DYK to switch to some old-fashioned Western superiority feeling. @Fram:, I have no idea where did you get the notion that this is some old-fashioned Western superiority feeling; I'm an Indonesian, born and raised, and I've nominated several silly-sounding names (even in here) of my countryfolks for DYK in the past few years. There've been no such complaints prior to that, even the Hitler article that got put on the main page outside the AFD timespace got, at most, a "ha" and "meh". I do understand the dynamic nature of consensus in Wikipedia, and I do admit that I lack the time to keep myself updated on such consensus due to my focus on creating articles and real-life issues. I understand if my nomination somehow violates any consensus made prior, so do please inform me. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 14:53, 4 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    That Hitler one was about someone explicitly named after Hitler, which until recently was something which would be seen as completely inappropriate in most Western countries. Alien Mus is, as far as the article mentions, not named to represent an extraterrestrial being. Instead of focusing on something remarkable she did, we make fun of her first name because in English it has another meaning. Fram (talk) 15:05, 4 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @Fram: Explain the Thanos, then. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 15:07, 4 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't think using other "quirky" (DYK synonym for "usually dumb") hooks to defend this one is a good strategy, but in any case, at least that one referred to him by his last name, as is usual. Fram (talk) 15:15, 4 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @Fram: I'm bad at English, so I can't argue any better here. I'd like to request comments from the folks at Wikipedia:April Fools' Main Page/Did you know since this was intended to be presented for AFD. Is that ok? Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 15:19, 4 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    My last comment here would be trying to explain on the usage of first name. Indonesian naming system are based on what ethnic they came from; different ethnic has a different system to refer people. For example, Hitler Nababan is Bataknese (I'm a Batak) and therefore, they used their first name to refer to the person (using their marga - their second name - to refer to the person would be very weird since there's hundreds or even thousands of people with the same marga; added to the fact that most people, like me, hide their margas in official documents). The Indradi-F.E. Thanos article refers to each figure with their last name, since the Minahasa people used Western naming system. For this specific article - Alien Mus - the subject is referred to as Alien, since their last name isn't a patronymic. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 15:28, 4 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Just want to chime in but calling public figures by their first names (or mononyms, like Sukarno) is actually the norm in Indonesia, even if said figures do have Western-style family names. For this specific politician, local (North Maluku) papers always refer to her by her first name "Alien" and never "Mus", at the very least in the second mention and forth (with "Alien Mus" as the first mention), but sometimes even in headlines, as in this report from the local branch of Radio Republik Indonesia. — swarabakti💬 22:28, 4 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    The subject is literally an Alien from Golkar, which is readily verifiable. Is the choice of calling attention to that, out of context, an example of systemic racism? I don't feel that to be the case. I would note that the nominator has stated that they are Indonesian, so this isn't even 'Western superiority' (or 'punching down' as comedians would say). – Reidgreg (talk) 14:40, 5 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Yeah—if Jeromi Mikhael is from the culture and he doesn't deem it to be offensive, I'm not sure who we, people not from the culture, are to tell him that it is. ~Darth StabroTalk • Contribs 20:12, 5 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    • Assuming the April Fools' request is declined/rejected, and consensus is against running the Alien hook, would you be willing to propose a more "conventional" hook? As mentioned earlier, a quick response is needed given that this is close to timing out. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:15, 5 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @Jeromi Mikhael: Fixed ping. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:18, 5 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @Narutolovehinata5: ALT4: ... that the conference that elected Alien Mus as party chair was supervised by her own brother? Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 14:29, 5 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    I would point out that a Main Page reader would not know that the article/hook was written by an Indonesian.--Launchballer 20:15, 5 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Please do whatever you want with the hook, I'm tired of defending this anymore. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 23:36, 5 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm re-transcluding this to the April Fools' page; I think there's consensus above for that. Personally, as someone of non-Western ethnicity, I find the "white saviour"-reminiscent objection far more problematic than the hook itself. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 13:01, 6 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Allikas: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:April_Fool%27s_Main_Page/Did_You_Know
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