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Please extend this page to 2025 as the war in Ukraine is continuing and there is continuing cause be suspicious about the deaths of prominent Russian dissidents.

Specifically, here is a 05Feb2025 article mentioning the deaths of two top Russian colonels who "fell from a window". This method of death mirrors many other in the page, and the article itself cites "a long string of unexplained deaths of leading Russian figures". https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14363275/Russian-colonels-plunge-high-windows-one-killed-mysterious-deaths-putin.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.117.49.33 (talk) 18:07, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Vitaly Robertus, 54, Vice President of the Russian oil and gas firm Lukoil, has been found dead. He is the fourth Lukoil top manager to die since the beginning of Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine.

Details: "We are deeply saddened to announce that Vitaly Vladimirovich Robertus, Vice President of the company, died suddenly at the age of 54," the press release reads.

Robertus’s death was the fourth among Lukoil’s top managers in the last two years.

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2024/03/13/7446342/

Lukoil’s press release (in Russian): https://lukoil.ru/PressCenter/Pressreleases/Pressrelease/soobshchenie-pao-lukoil_1 Human Transistor (talk) 05:52, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Added him. Alin2808 (talk) 17:45, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mechalisa (talk) 11:12, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In the last table, 2024 deaths |- |Vitaly Robertus |35 |Vice President at Lukoil |13 March 2024 |1 | Moscow |Died suddenly with no further explanation.^[1] |}

Added. Alin2808 (talk) 17:45, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Can Vitali Robertus be added?

Vitali Robertus, see here and here 82.174.61.58 (talk) 14:48, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Done. Alin2808 (talk) 17:45, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

On April 1, 2024, businessman Nikolay Mukkonen (40 years old) suddenly died during football training https://gubdaily.ru/news/izvestnyj-biznesmen-vnezapno-umer-na-trenirovke-v-petrozavodske/ Tibarr (talk) 18:45, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See the mentioned article. 82.162.185.113 (talk) 08:44, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I strongly believe that the following sentence

The phenomenon has been called "sudden Russian death syndrome" or "sudden oligarch death syndrome", a play on sudden arrhythmic death syndrome.^[1]

should be amended to read

The phenomenon has been called "sudden Russian death syndrome" or "sudden oligarch death syndrome", a play on sudden infant death syndrome.^[1]

Nowhere in the referenced article is the former condition actually mentioned, and the general public, as evidenced by Google Trends, does not really seem know or care much about that in comparison to what I am suggesting.

The current choice therefore appears to be completely unfounded and furthermore confusing to the readers, if not actually misleading (as a claim on the origin of the phrase), since there does not seem to be any evidence to support the origin claim, that the play is, in fact, on the fairly obscure rather than the quite infamous of the two medical conditions.

Unless there actually is evidence in favor of the current interpretation, in which case the article should be amended to add the missing reference to the supporting evidence instead. It should have already been there all along.

You are very welcome to try and prove me wrong. — Nameless Undead (talk) 23:33, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Furthermore, referencing SIDS in the context makes additional sense, having a connotation of decidedly grim humor, since the dictator's "alleged" victims, despite all their illusory wealth and power, are just as vulnerable and helpless in the face of these cleanup operations by the RF state agencies, as newborns are to, well, practically everything. Nameless Undead (talk) 23:44, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The "arrhythmic" source was in the following sentence. Made more clear. Hyphenation Expert (talk) 23:55, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@U-D13: Did you mean to re-open this? Your edit summary is vague Hyphenation Expert (talk) 00:09, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, between the god-awful lag of this GUI and not being able to churn out the text, evidently, in a pace fast enough using an on-screen keyboard on a laptop, the change I actually had intended to make somehow got lost between the updates of this talk page; I only noticed that instead of publishing my changes I was presented with a diff with the marking of my edit request as fulfilled, with no reason I could discern at that time. Sorry for the confusion. — Nameless Undead (talk) 00:35, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. Yes, your ref below was the one added to support SADS. Hyphenation Expert (talk) 00:44, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Right, which was why I was saying it is no evidence for the origin, which happened long before it. (Also, just figured out where did my changes from earlier disappear, as I just hit an edit conflict, as it turns out, again) Nameless Undead (talk) 01:04, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The ^[1] could be evidence for the origin of "arrhythmic", had been published at around the time of the Atlantic article, which originated the phrase (and was already speculated about in revision 1154902979). But it came well after that. Nameless Undead (talk) 00:24, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To be very explicit, "came well after that" means it is precluded from the role as evidence for causation. My edit request calling for viable evidence or the removal of a weakly substantiated claim still stands. Nameless Undead (talk) 01:09, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Something can be confirmed after-the-fact. Archaeology comes to mind. Hyphenation Expert (talk) 01:31, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The fact alone that a thing can be purported to be evidence does not immediately make it so. I ain't no Archeology expert egg-head, but, as far 's me knows, ya gotsta establish that sweet, sweet evidentiary relationship. Same goes for the law and a crapton of other disciplines. Here, the phrases "sudden Russian death syndrome" and "sudden oligarch death syndrome" were being used (or, at least, searched for) well before the publishing of either of the above-referenced articles, if Google Trends can be believed. Show me the evidence for their origin being SADS (not just a Brit making an unsubstantiated claim in an article months after speculations about those origins have already been brought up) and I shall crawl back into where I shambled here from. Or am I just being too much of an obnoxious pedant? Nameless Undead (talk) 01:38, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Two Allies of Russia's Fired Defense Minister Die Mysteriously in One Week https://www.newsweek.com/russia-putin-shoigu-khandayev-kotelnikov-found-dead-1925123 Joreberg (talk) 17:05, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See above 134.60.99.239 (talk) 08:38, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There are Belarusians in the list. I found no evidence that Dzianis Sidarenka and Vladimir Makei have Russian citizenship. They should either be deleted or the text should reflect that the article refers to both Russians and Belarusians. Chaptagai (talk) 01:32, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There are many nationalities besides Russians in the list. The title is a placeholder, we can't include every nation in the title it is practically not possible. -- GreenC GreenC 19:53, 7 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The use of in is not great. I asked Perplexity and it gave the following answer:

The sentence "Deaths in 2022-2024" is grammatically correct, but it could be improved for clarity and precision. Let's examine the alternatives:

"Deaths in 2022-2024":
 This is grammatically correct and concise. It implies deaths that occurred within the specified time frame.

"Deaths from 2022-2024":
 This is also grammatically correct. The preposition "from" suggests a starting point, which works well in this context.

"Deaths during 2022-2024":
 This is perhaps the most precise option. "During" clearly indicates the entire span of time from the beginning of 2022 to the end of 2024.

Among these options, "Deaths during 2022-2024" is generally considered the best choice for the following reasons:
Clarity: It leaves no ambiguity about the time frame being discussed.
Precision: It accurately conveys that the deaths occurred throughout the entire period.
Formality: In formal writing or official documents, "during" is often preferred for time ranges.
However, the choice may depend on the context and style of your writing. In less formal contexts or where brevity is important, "Deaths in 2022-2024" could be perfectly acceptable.

So, we have some tradeoffs between ambiguity, clarity and precision. IMO during is the better choice. -- GreenC 15:42, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Consider adding Vladimir Schklyarov, 39, Mariinsky Theatre Principal Dancer. Fell off a 5th floor balcony on Nov 16. He critized Russia's invasion of Ukraine. 189.219.67.55 (talk) 18:36, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have a reliable source that we can cite? - Adolphus79 (talk) 19:46, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/top-russian-ballet-star-accidentally-34130181?int_source=amp_continue_reading&int_medium=amp&int_campaign=continue_reading_button#amp-readmore-target 189.219.67.55 (talk) 01:27, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/11/18/style/vladimir-shklyarov-ballet-death-scli-intl/index.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/16/world/europe/vladimir-shklyarov-dead.html

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0qd9w9125ko

https://www.theguardian.com/stage/2024/nov/18/vladimir-shklyarov-russian-ballet-star-dies-aged-39-after-falling-from-building

Cgbuff (talk) 12:10, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Already done Skynxnex (talk) 03:55, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The addition of the death of Vladimir Shklyarov, Russian Ballet Dancer

Tabular Columns as follows:

Vladimir Shklyarov

39

Acclaimed Russian Ballet dancer

16th November 2024

1

St Petersburg

Mariinsky representatives told media he had fallen from the fifth floor of a St Petersburg building while on painkillers.

^[1] Wikiadmeeen (talk) 14:43, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Here's another source mentioning the news of his death as well as his comments on the war:

https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/18/style/vladimir-shklyarov-ballet-death-scli-intl/index.html 189.219.67.55 (talk) 15:48, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Here's yet another source: https://www.theguardian.com/stage/2024/nov/18/vladimir-shklyarov-russian-ballet-star-dies-aged-39-after-falling-from-building HardDisk (talk) 15:58, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Already done Skynxnex (talk) 03:56, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-68337794 27.55.91.33 (talk) 07:24, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for telling us. I have added him to the list. Lova Falk (talk) 11:31, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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On some of the additions their positions are quite messy and I was wondering if they could be cleaned up.

Starting with:

• Vladimir Nesterov’s addition. Please can his position be changed so it just reads “Director General of the Khrunichev State Research and Production Space Center”

Then the following:

• Pavel Antov to “Deputy of the Legislative Assembly of Vladimir Oblast and businessman”

• Vladimir Makarov to “Former Deputy Head of the Centre for Combating Extremism”

• Marina Yankina to “Head of Finance and Procurement of the Western Military District”

• Pyotr Kucherenko to “Deputy Minister of Science and Higher Education”

• Alexander Nikolayev to “Former Ambassador of Russia to Bangladesh and Crimea”

• Gennady Lopyrev to “Head of Service of the Federal Protective Service and overseer of construction projects including Putin’s Palace”

• Vladimir Sviridov to “Former Commander of the 6th Air and Air Defence Forces Army”

• Vladimir Egorov to “Deputy of the Tobolsk City Duma”

• Aleksandr Surikov to “Ambassador of Russia to Mozambique”

• Natalia Larina to “Judge of Moscow’s Tagansky District Court”

• Dzianis Sidarenka to “Ambassador of Belarus to Germany”

• Valentina Bondarenko “Economist of the Institute of Economics of the Russian Academy of Sciences” 2A04:4A43:483F:D71A:C9E5:E390:D3EE:7838 (talk) 09:37, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

HI! I will look into have performed almost all of these requested changes today.

• Vladimir Nesterov  Done

• Pavel Antov. In one of the sources, he is described as "Russian sausage tycoon" so this is obviously an important part of his position.  Not done
• Vladimir Makarov  Done
• Marina Yankina  Done

• Pyotr Kucherenko. Removal of "state secretary" not done because the source has it in its headline, so this is obviously important.  Not done
• Alexander Nikolayev. Source says he was former Consul General of Russia to Crimea, not ambassador. However, basically done, so:  Done

• Gennady Lopyrev. The source says lieutenant-general so those words were not changed. Still, mostly done, so:  Done

• Vladimir Sviridov  Done

• Vladimir Egorov  Done
• Aleksandr Surikov  Done
• Natalia Larina. Done, plus added some more information found in the source.  Done
• Dzianis Sidarenka  Done

• Valentina Bondarenko  Done Lova Falk (talk) 10:13, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

How are those people connected? How are their deaths connected? Is this another original research by Wikipedia editor? Why is there no article on mysterious deaths of American journalists and oligarchs? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.187.185.84 (talk) 13:40, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi you. No, as you can see when you click on the sources in the lead, suspicious deaths have been discussed in several established newspapers. Therefore, it is not original research by a WP editor. Now if you can find reliable sources discussing mysterious deaths of American journalists and oligarchs, you are welcome to create an article about this. Friendly, Lova Falk (talk) 10:21, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

isn't it worth to mention that on 24 February 2022 Russian troops began (as ordered by Putin) the Russian invasion of Ukraine? 178.203.113.60 (talk) 17:53, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It is not a bad idea, but... the suspicious deaths started already before 24 February 2022. Also, how would we mention it? Maybe have a paragraph with background information? Or do you have a WP:RS describing a connection between the invasion and the suspicious deaths? That would be the best. Lova Falk (talk) 18:19, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Add the death of Buvaisar Saitiev.

|-
|[[Buvaisar Saitiev]]
|49
|Former wrestler, president of the Chechen Wrestling Federation, former politician
|2 March 2025
|1
|{{Flagicon|Russia}} [[Moscow]]
|May have fallen out of a window.<ref>{{cite news |last1=van Brugen |first1=Isabel |title=Russian Olympic Champion Turned Lawmaker Dead After Falling From Window |url=https://www.newsweek.com/buvaisar-saitiev-dead-moscow-falling-window-2038742 |access-date=04 March 2025 |publisher=[[Newsweek]] |date=03 March 2025}}</ref> 

Sferencik (talk) 08:34, 4 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Sferencik: Thank you so much for making this request so easy to perform!  Done Lova Falk (talk) 08:42, 4 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm going to remove. According to the source: "there is no information at the time of this writing that indicates possible foul play. Saitiev was not an opposition MP and had no open conflicts with either the federal or Chechen political elite." It looks like either an accident (he was intoxicated), or suicide. He was at home with his family. According to his brother who was there: "Saitiev's brother suggested that he may have accidentally fallen from the window of his third-floor apartment while doing housework." If there is a source raising real concerns we can re-add it. -- GreenC 16:36, 6 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for being observant, and thank you for telling us! Lova Falk (talk) 17:32, 6 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"Buvaisar Saitiev, a three-time Russian Olympic freestyle wrestling champion who later became a member of President Vladimir Putin's ruling United Russia party, was reportedly found dead after falling from a window" on 2 March 2025. https://www.newsweek.com/buvaisar-saitiev-dead-moscow-falling-window-2038742

"Artur Pryakhin, a former police colonel and head of the Federal Antimonopoly Service in Karelia, was found dead in Petrozavodsk. Investigators say the 56-year-old fell from a fifth-floor window on Tuesday in what they claim was an act of suicide." 4 Feb 2025 "https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/2010649/putin-russia-alexey-zubkov-artur-pryakhin

I'm new to protected pages, so I hope I'm doing this right and that it's helpful. Have a lovely weekend! TeddyMoosevelt (talk) 19:12, 7 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There was no discussion to rename it to this in the above RM. It has been moved back to what was decided on in the RM: Suspicious deaths of notable Russians since 2022

This page has a long history of problems with title and criteria. For example:

• People on the list who are not Russians: Ukrainians, Latvians, Belarusians, etc..
• People on the list who are not notable

I don't have a solution, but every rename needs discussion. Nobody should be making bold renames outside the RM process. -- GreenC 20:32, 7 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Hi @GreenC: apologies, I closed the RM above and didn't move the page as I thought the nominated RM had already been carried out. I didn't notice that "and Belarusians" had been added during the move. Thanks for sorting.  — Amakuru (talk) 10:06, 8 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

How about "Suspicious deaths of notable Russians and other eastern Europeans since 2022"? About the notable issue, my solution would be this: if someone died a suspicious death and there was an RS in English about the person's death, they are notable enough. Lova Falk (talk) 11:10, 8 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Or, (better) "Suspicious deaths of Russians and other eastern Europeans since 2022" Lova Falk (talk) 12:40, 8 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It needs to be WP:CONCISE yet also WP:PRECISE, which can be contradictory. Fortunately a page title does not need to be a literal description of what the page contains. Often it is, but sometimes it's impractical. Titles are merely a placeholder. The lead section actually defines what the page contains. The question is, what is this page really about? It appears to cite sources concerning a trend of people dying under mysterious circumstances who have connections to Russia in various ways that is impossible to define in a concise way. A simple solution is Suspicious Russian related deaths since 2022 (or "Russian connected"). We can drop "notable" because by definition everything in the list is notable, reliable sources take care of that. We can aggregate everything under "Russian related" since that's flexible for any situation, current and future. The criteria in the lead section can deal with editors taking a literal interpretation approach (someone who dies mysteriously in the USA whose grandfather is from Russia for example). -- GreenC 17:05, 8 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Great idea! However, I would remove one more letter: Suspicious Russia related deaths since 2022 Lova Falk (talk) 17:45, 8 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I 99.9% agree, but I think it should be Suspicious Russia-related deaths since 2022, if I understand MOS:HYPHEN correctly. — Chrisahn (talk) 17:53, 8 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not too clear on hyphens. I asked Perplexity.ai which is preferred and it said both are grammatically correct. With the hyphen is more formal and academic in style, without the hyphen is more casual style. If there is a Wikipedia guideline that would decide it. -- GreenC 17:56, 8 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I support both with and without the hyphen. I also really enjoy how we together created the new name proposal. Lova Falk (talk) 18:38, 8 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]