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https://floridapolitics.com/archives/719300-rick-scott-luigi-mangione/

Does this belongs in the article? --Trade (talk) 23:36, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No, Rick Scott's opinions have nothing to do with Mangione himself. There's no need to single out his opinion and give it WP:UNDUE weight on this BLP. Some1 (talk) 00:07, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Does this belong in Killing of Brian Thompson? Trade (talk) 00:56, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure about "belong", but the relevant place to add it is Killing of Brian Thompson#Politicians. Some1 (talk) 00:59, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Source 10 refers to Executive Order 14164, not 14163 (as listed.

Source: https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2025/01/30/2025-02012/restoring-the-death-penalty-and-protecting-public-safety Tar-Atanamir the Great (talk) 16:26, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Done guninvalid (talk) 18:03, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to hear any arguments against including the subjects website in their own infobox Trade (talk) 17:15, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Which website? guninvalid (talk) 17:18, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The one currently in the infobox Trade (talk) 17:39, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Remove. luigimangioneinfo.com is not his official website and does not claim to be. guninvalid (talk) 17:48, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Remove. The website is not his own official website. It is his legal defense creating a website to post relevant documents. I guess you could nitpick what "official website" means (as you did by calling my edit "nonsensical" and reverting it), but the spirit of this certainly is that it is someone's website about them and their work, not a tool used by lawyers to consolidate legal information and paint the narrative that he is innocent. Upjav (talk) 18:30, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

From the website: "Due to the extraordinary volume of inquiries and outpouring of support, this site was created and is maintained by Luigi Mangione’s New York legal defense team to provide answers to frequently asked questions, accurate information about his cases, and dispel misinformation. The intent is to share factual information regarding the unprecedented, multiple prosecutions against him." Upjav (talk) 18:40, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That makes it the official website of his defense, but not of Mangione himself. I'd say this fails WP:ELOFFICIAL #1, and #2 doesn't apply. guninvalid (talk) 19:27, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Mangione is controlling the website. He just have his legal team doing it on his behalf for obvious reasons Trade (talk) 19:52, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The only thing i called nonsensical was your claim of the site being a form of "promotional" Trade (talk) 18:42, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

May have been the wrong wording. I was thinking of the donation solicitation aspect of it. Otherwise, sure, I can retract the use of "promotional". Upjav (talk) 18:47, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Restore the link. The lawyers are agents of Mangione and therefore the website belongs to him. Anne drew (talk · contribs) 14:15, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

How often does a Wikipedia article begin with "Joe is an American man...." I looked at a few other biographies and none were written that way. It's obvious he's a man and the moment you read "he" in the article is yet another clue. It seems weird to call him a "man" that is not what makes him noteworthy and it's kind of obvious 2603:8081:8700:2732:5DDC:EAB9:12AD:57B8 (talk) 20:27, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It is not unusual; see the search results for "is an American man". Some1 (talk) 20:35, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Well we can't call him a lot else until there is a conviction; per above, it is common to refer to individuals with notability for individual incidents as such. He has no applicable profession related to his notability. I imagine the "man" is there for clarity as not all Wikipedia articles are WP:BLPs. If convicted, it would likely become "an American murderer" but, until then, "an American man" suffices. His notability in activism doesn't seem to extend beyond the alleged killing, unless he becomes a prominent activist behind bars. MB2437 23:59, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Even if convicted, "American man" is still usable, e.g. "an American man who murdered Brian Thompson, CEO of UnitedHealthcare". Some1 (talk) 00:08, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Luigi is from the United States and identifies as a cisgendered man. The lead does not need to be changed. Ktkvtsh (talk) 00:38, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I reworded the first sentence of the third paragraph of the intro as "Since his arrest, Mangione has received extensive support online, with many celebrating him as a folk hero". However, Mb2437 changed the wording back to the old wording. I justified my original edit as it being consistent with the Public Image Subsection of the page. The wording I input is the more precise wording as it is most consistent with the body of the article. Cerebrality (talk) 21:18, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It's obvious peacocking. The words "extensive" and "many" are both vague and persuasive. Falls under MOS:WEASEL, especially when his support has been met with greater backlash. The "many" wording should be removed from the body as well. MB2437 21:28, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I think the current sentence is fine; the word "extensive" is not needed. The extent of his support online really depends on the corners of the internet one is visiting. From what I've observed, right-wing/conservative communities hate him, while the reddit community, for example, is generally supportive of him. Some1 (talk) 23:26, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

In the intro, in the third paragraph, where it mentions “ Opinion polls found a plurality of American adult respondents held a negative view toward Mangione, with younger and left-leaning respondents more likely to support him”, please add the word older before the word adult. Most of the people supporting him are adults, mostly younger adults. 2600:100C:A20D:BB75:C97A:70A4:5237:D039 (talk) 02:15, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The lead already says this, right after: with younger and left-leaning respondents more likely to support him. guninvalid (talk) 08:22, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]