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"The Hoosier State"
Mention of the subject nickname was removed from the lead, saying there was no coverage in the article, even though there is a "Hoosier" section under "Etymology". While this is not a very serious thing to work on, nevertheless, as someone who lives near Indiana, this is not a trivial thing. Hoosier is synonymous with Indiana; it's not an aside. Anyway, I'm just starting this topic to document the issue and see if eventually we can come to a consensus about whether or not the lead should mention the nickname. (note: I'm not bringing cites and such yet as I'm busy with other matters) Stefen Towers among the rest! Gab • Gruntwerk 17:17, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
- It just seems unnecessary to say it's "the Hoosier state" in the lead, when it's right there at the top of the infobox, and "Hoosier" is described in the etymology. Magnolia677 (talk) 17:25, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
- It's about whether the mention is especially key to the overall topic. I would argue that it is, and therefore should be mentioned in the lead. Stefen Towers among the rest! Gab • Gruntwerk 17:32, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
- I removed "Nicknamed 'the Hoosier State'". I see your point though. Maybe it just seemed awkward tucked into a sentence about something else. Revert if you like. Cheers! Magnolia677 (talk) 17:48, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep in mind that the infobox is collapsed by default on the Wikipedia app, so the mention of Hoosier in the infobox isn't automatically seen there. I think that unlike most state demonyms, Hoosier is particularly important to the state's cultural history and should be noted in the lede. In addition, "Hoosier State" is a redirect to this article, so it would good to put it in bold type wherever it first occurs in the article. Indyguy (talk) 17:52, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
- I restored the edit. Magnolia677 (talk) 18:06, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
- It's about whether the mention is especially key to the overall topic. I would argue that it is, and therefore should be mentioned in the lead. Stefen Towers among the rest! Gab • Gruntwerk 17:32, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
The Indiana Klan
In the last paragraph of the brief synopsis of the history of the state, it states "After the rise and fall of the Klan in the 1920s, the state swung politically from the Republican to Democratic Party in the New Deal 1930s." While historically this may be true, it is phrased in such a way as to make it seem like the fall of the Klan resulted in the loss of Republican power. This may be true, but I would request a citation, since this could be a point of contention and would go against the bipartisan policy of Wikipedia. Jack Walker3 (talk) 01:54, 2 March 2025 (UTC)
- Thank for this Jack. You refer to a line from the article lead. As the lead is supposed a summary of the article, it is common (but admittedly not universal) Wikipedia practice for it not to include citations--to regard the proper place for references of sources to be in the text summarised. Contributors have made three exceptions in this lead: (1) at the beginning, relating to the pronunciation of Indiana; (2) to the term Hoosier State, and to (3) the 2023 census population figure. If you go to the History section, you will see that there are sources for the related electoral shift from the Republicans to the Democrats in the 1930s. It had been John B. Martin's history of the state, Indiana, an Interpretation, but I have also added, as one of many possible sources, Madison and Sandweiss's state history published by the Indiana Historical Society. Regards~~~ ManfredHugh (talk) 17:07, 2 March 2025 (UTC)