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:You know what I'd like to award you? A punch to the jaw! [[User:4.159.113.218|4.159.113.218]] 19:34, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
:You know what I'd like to award you? A punch to the jaw! [[User:4.159.113.218|4.159.113.218]] 19:34, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
::A most disagreeable proposition, as you'd have to get in the way of mine first. —''[[User:Encephalon|<span style="font-family:Times;color:navy;">'''Encephalon'''</span>]] 19:40, 26 April 2006 (UTC)''

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Scientific Peer Review

It looks like History of Earth is pretty good. I had not seen it before. This is a great example for us to add the SPR list of articles to all the Wikipedia science Projects as it pretty well involves all of them. So far it is only on the Chemistry Wikiproject page. It did not seem a good idea to add it to the others when the only page for review was chemistry. I'll add it tonight or more likely tomorrow. I hope you get lots of responses. --Bduke 09:09, 12 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate the comments, Dr. Salter-Duke. I too hope that some of the editors will have time to suggest ways to help me improve the article. Based on a suggestion from another editor, I'm trying to incorporate some more plate tectonics and climatology into the article, though my grasp of these is tenuous. Do you have any other suggestions on how I might improve it? — Knowledge Seeker 03:34, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I have put the SPR list of articles for review on many Science WikiProject pages. That may help. I'll try to have a look myself over the weekend. No need to respond to my talk page. We can keep it all here. --Bduke 03:56, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your assistance. I will appreciate any advice you can provide. Wikipedia is fortunate to have someone with your expertise! — Knowledge Seeker 05:42, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

History of the Earth

Thanks for your comments at History of Earth, Guettarda; I always value your advice. Do you have any suggestions on how I can improve the article further? I've been working on it for months, and would eventually like it to be a featured article.

The first thing that hits me about the article is that it's too biology-centric. It talks about the history of the earth from the perspective of living things. I think a "history of the earth" should include a lot more plate tectonics - movement of the continents, major mountain-building events, things like that. I haven't gone through it thoroughly, but it seems like the only place this is dealt with is in the section on the Moon, where the initiation of plate tectonics comes in. The other big thing that I think should be in there is climate change. Both of these things have a huge impact on the distribution of species, of speciation, all that stuff. I can't help much with that, but I might suggest asking Vsmith, William M. Connolley or Dragons flight.
That said, I think the article is great. Good job. Guettarda 17:54, 12 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Those are good points. While I've been able to touch briefly on some of the supercontinents, I really didn't go into that much detail—in part because it's tougher for me to find good reference material for this. I can definitely work on including more material on it, though. Climate change will be tougher since I know less about it. One of our editors did ask WMC for any advice, but he (quite understandably) is apparently too busy at this time. I'll try to start including some of that in a couple days. I just don't want the article to get too long. — Knowledge Seeker 00:35, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion

CIS, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion only covers articles; that is, pages in the main space. User pages and user subpages fall under Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion. I removed the AFD tag; if you wish to propose this user subpage for deletion, please nominate it on WP:MFD. — Knowledge Seeker 00:39, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the heads up I'll post it there. Still haven't gotten a response BTW. — CRAZY`(IN)`SANE 00:42, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
KS, please see User_talk:Romarin#Against_WP:MOS, whereas user:Romarin has issued a response to my warning that their WikiProject is against the MOS. The party is stating that the fact that there are wide varieties of religions in the world is enough "substantial reason" (as seen at WP:DATE#Eras) for a change from BC/AD to BCE/CE. Can you help clarify the situation? Thanks. — CRAZY`(IN)`SANE 00:50, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
You’re welcome. If you’re talking about a reply to your e-mail, I’m sorry; it’s taking me longer than expected. I’ve had little time this week and I’ve wanted to spend more time on History of Earth. I guess I’ll just send you a shorter reply for now. I already left some information for the participants on the WikiProject’s talk page about why the project as it stood was inappropriate. I’ll leave her a message but as long as they’re not actually going around changing era notation, I think it’s probably OK. — Knowledge Seeker 03:50, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
No need to apologize, there's no urgency with the e-mail reply but thanks. I read your response on the WikiProject Common Era talk page and appreciate the time you took to review the matter. I also saw your (weak) vote for deletion of User:Romarin's sub-user page at WP:MFD, and agree with your viewpoint that promoting the abrupt and random alteration of era notations is not really a productive thing to be promoting—something that I've learned over the months at Wikipedia, as you well know. — CRAZY`(IN)`SANE 05:14, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I replied to your e-mail. You're welcome; I hope that the issue will be resolved smoothly. Yes, I remember all too well, but you seem to be a much more productive editor now. I'm glad you weren't indefinitely blocked. — Knowledge Seeker 01:29, 15 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

Thans for fixing vandalism on my userpage! -- Ferkelparade π 17:31, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You’re welcome; it was my pleasure. — Knowledge Seeker 01:32, 15 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

reply

Freakofnurture, I don't believe that this deletion fits any criterion for deletion. Furthermore, as you realize, contributions to Wikipedia are released under the GFDL. You request people to be original but I do not think it is appropriate to delete material in this manner. — Knowledge Seeker 00:56, 15 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

He wasn't copying the general design, or even merely the color scheme. He included archival links to my own talk page, an I found it rather disturbing, in a non-GFDL sort of way. If he wants to start over and create something that's not an exact duplicate of my own talk page, maybe something more interesting even, go ahead. — Apr. 15, '06 [01:13] <freakofnurxture|>
It looks like that template call had already been removed at the time of your deletion. Even if the link were still present, removal of the template call would be the appropriate action, in my opinion. I hardly think that summary deletion of the user subpage is justified. Please restore the page. — Knowledge Seeker 01:21, 15 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Anno Domini

Hi, CIS, I just wanted to let you know why I reverted your recent edit to History of Earth. Billion means different things in different parts of the world; in the United States, it means 109, but in other countries may mean 1012. This is a problem, and therefore when I originally wrote the article, I used "×109" throughout the article to be clear. This later struck me as overly awkward. Other possibilites are "Ga" (giga-annum, often seen in geologic literature) and "Mya" (million years ago, with something like '4550 Mya' to avoid the 'billion' problem). While these are unambiguous, I don't feel any of them are well-established in popular scientific literature to use in this article. After some discussion (see Talk:History of Earth/Archive 1#"Billion" revisited), I decided to switch to just using "billion" for simplicity, writing out the number at its first instance to avoid ambiguity. Hope that makes sense. — Knowledge Seeker 19:43, 15 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, don't worry about reverting my edit I'm sure your edits are correct. If you don't mind I'd like if you could help resolve an edit war over some wording over at Anno Domini between myself at user:JimWae, if you're still online, thanks. — CRAZY`(IN)`SANE 19:50, 15 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hmmm...I don't think I can help you out with that. I can see the merits of both wording styles, but I'm really not active enough on the article to be able to suggest one over the either. To be honest, the mathematician (and astronomer) in me would just prefer something like astronomical year numbering, avoiding clunky abbreviations and the lack of a year zero. But in this case, I think you would be best to seek out the opinion of others on the article's talk page. — Knowledge Seeker 01:26, 16 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

stop vandalizing my talk page

[31]Please make yourself very clear. Have you come to understand that adding paragraph numbers is not "altering others' comments"? I want to be certain, before I restore the paragraph numbers to your comments on my talk page, that you will not be blocking me again. I think I understand you, but I want to be certain. pat8722

No, I still believe that that behavior is inappropriate; however, if you wish to do it to my comments, I do not intend to block you for it. — Knowledge Seeker 01:29, 16 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Let's make this clear, did you, or did you not, have a justifiable reason for blocking me for adding numbers to your paragraphs? And if you believe you did, then why are you now saying you won't do it again, if I do the exact same thing? You are making absolutely no sense at all.pat8722 23:59, 17 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, comment alteration is a justifiable reason for blocking. However, I later changed my mind and decided that if you really wanted the numbers, then it was acceptable to me. You were blocked for approximately one hour. What do you hope to gain from this prolonged conversation? I can restore the block, if consistency is that preferable to you. — Knowledge Seeker 01:20, 18 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
[08]Altering comments is a crime. But I did not alter comments, all I did was insert paragarph numbers, which is merely formatting, and which any professional editor will tell you is not "altering comments". What did you mean following "reference point"[03] above, where you state "Indeed, perhaps I do." It makes it sound like you agreed you were wrong.pat8722 01:39, 18 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
[09]Do you also consider the addition of "indents" to be "altering other's comments". If you are going to classify mere format changes as "altering others comments" you will have to be RFC'd and reported on the admin incident board when I have the time for it, as you definitely need to be stopped.pat8722 01:39, 18 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I was referring to your statement "You really need some help in basic logic", by which I meant that I could see your side of the argument and was willing to grant you latitude in restructuring your talk page; I wished to be polite and not argue with you over something so trivial. No, adjusting indents for clarity is expressly allowed and encouraged. I don't see that there is anything to be gained from further discussion. Your continued argument despite my agreement to follow your suggested course suggests you are more interested in trying to stir up trouble than to improve Wikipedia. I have already agreed with you that you may number the comments as you see fit. You may certainly file a request for comment or a notice on the administrators' noticeboard if you feel that would be beneficial. If you are busy, would you like me to do it for you? — Knowledge Seeker 02:01, 18 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

[10]If you "agree that I may number the comments as I see fit", then you are agreeing YOU SHOULDN"T HAVE BLOCKED ME. You owe me an apology. You are being logically inconsistent, and that is indicative of a very serious problem. pat8722 02:53, 18 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Happy Easter

Moe is here to say Happy Easter! -- Moe ε 18:31, 16 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, Mε! Happy Easter to you too! — Knowledge Seeker 01:26, 17 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

RfA thanks from Petros471

For a more general RfA thanks to all voters see User:Petros471/RFA Thanks.

Hey Knowledge Seeker, thanks for your support, both on the actual RfA and during the admin coaching. I'm even following your advice here and not spamming everyone's talk page with a fancy box (not that I would have done that anyway, it would have been boring plain text) and instead just giving a few personal ones. Thanks again, Petros471 20:49, 18 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ha! I knew you would make it. Welcome! I’m glad to have you join the ranks. We definitely need more courteous and polite administrators (and editors!). It’s too easy to get worked up around here. And thank you for your message and not using one of those ridiculous boxes hehe. It was probably fine for the first one or few people who used it, but now they're just out of hand, especially the people who put their tally in there too. Anyway, enjoy your new responsibilities and of course please ask me if you have any questions! — Knowledge Seeker 05:47, 20 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Admin coaching

Hey, how are you? I saw that your admin coaching with Petros471 has been successful (congrats!). I was curious whether you had time/energy to take on another coachee (don't worry if you don't, I understand completely). Thanks for your time, and you can leave a message either with me or TitoXD. EWS23 | (Leave me a message!) 19:43, 19 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the inquiry, Eric. I did enjoy working with Petros and am glad to see him an administrator. I am considering continuing in the program, but I do feel that that perhaps its direction should be clarified. The introduction at Wikipedia:Esperanza/Programs/Admin coaching suggests that the purpose of the program is to have an experienced editor one can go to with questions, such as how to get something accomplished. What Titoxd told me was more along the lines of evaluating the requester for suitability for adminship. It seems the latter is the general trend. I can peruse the user's talk page and archives, and glance through the recent contributions, but unfortunately, I don't have time to do a detailed analysis of one's RFA chances; I could easily miss something, and I don't know that I can really predict whehter an RFA will pass or fail. I mean, I would feel bad if I didn't see anything wrong with a contributor and the user's RFA later failed. So I guess I'm just not sure how useful I am for this project. — Knowledge Seeker 05:08, 24 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your response. While evaluating a user's chance at passing an RfA might be a small part of the program (e.g.- see the first step of my proposed outline at my admin coaching page), the much greater part of the program is helping users with questions they might have about policy, procedure, etc. and giving them the tools to potentially be a successful admin (or even just a more successful editor) in the future. So, this program is much less a crystal ball and much more of a training and assistance program. Let me know if you have any further questions or comments. EWS23 | (Leave me a message!) 19:42, 24 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
There's been a bit of discussion about this at Esperanza's talk page, and I've said that it is literally a matter of coaching style; I personally use the questions/lecture method more, but there are other coaches that prefer to comb through a user's contributions. So, feel free to do it the way you feel the most comfortable. Titoxd(?!? - help us) 03:22, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

HD's question

Long time no see. I have a question for you, how do I block a user. Becauese User:Worldtraveller, he is vandalising HD 217107 with the following:

  • He is removing information from the artical and puting unneeded sectons into it's own arital.
  • He is constently redoing my corections on that artical.
  • And is being another "Acid" with other articals.

What is your answer? — HurricaneDevon @ 23:54, 23 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It’s nice to talk to you again, Devon. To answer your question, you do not have the ability to block a user—only administrators have that capability. You can report vandalism on something like Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism, but that would be inappropriate here. I do not believe Worldtraveller has done anything to merit blocking, nor can his edits be considered vandalism, under either the Wikipedia definition or the English definition. In particular, good-faith actions should not be interpreted as vandalism. I understand that you and he disagree on how the article shoud be structured (a content dispute), but accusing him of vandalism is needlessly inflammatory. My quick review of your communication does appear to show that Worldtraveller attempted to discuss this matter with you beforehand. In addition, I'm afraid I think you were a bit rude to him here. I know it’s frustrating when other editors don’t agree with how we think an article should be written, but it’d be better if you could discuss your differences first, without getting angry, and without edit-warring. If you really can’t solve your dispute, there are other methods of dispute resolution, including inviting other editors to review the situation (to help decide which is better, not to issue blocks). I see that you’ve been blocked for violating the three-revert rule, and it certainly appears you did despite being warned. Take advantage of the block to spend some time away from Wikipedia, to gain a fresh perspective. Perhaps you can work on other articles when you return, or engage in constructive discussion on how to improve the articles in question. Does this help? — Knowledge Seeker 05:28, 24 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Creationism

Hey Knowledge Seeker,

I was looking over Scorpionman's comments and I think it's disgraceful. If you ask me, he's a troll and a vandal (he did some vandalizing) I was wondering if he should be blocked permenantly. MrMonkey 16:33, 26 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Learn from his behavior. Do not make baseless assumptions. Bring up hard evidence! ;-) Illythr 17:01, 26 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Order of Sysiphus

I, too, followed your discussion with him on his talk page, and I would like to express my deep appreciation and respect for your incredible patience in your admirable, if futile, attempt to reason with him there by awarding you this Order of Sisyphus --Illythr 17:01, 26 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You know what I'd like to award you? A punch to the jaw! 4.159.113.218 19:34, 26 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
A most disagreeable proposition, as you'd have to get in the way of mine first. —Encephalon 19:40, 26 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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