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- United States complicity in Israeli war crimes in the Gaza war (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Essentially a WP:POVFORK of United States support for Israel in the Gaza war. The media coverage and military support sections are duplicative of their parent articles. The "context" section is duplicative of Gaza genocide. Meanwhile, the "reactions" section is a disparate grouping of opinions which are better covered in United States support for Israel in the Gaza war#Backlash to US support. Chess (talk) (please mention me on reply) 01:43, 4 March 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete per WP:FORK, nothing that can't be covered in United States support for Israel in the Gaza war. jolielover♥talk 04:24, 4 March 2025 (UTC)
- Delete: Unnecessary fork. WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS? Best, Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 04:34, 4 March 2025 (UTC)
- Delete: For reasons mentioned above. Also, the wording "complicity in Israeli war crimes" is POV. "United States support for Israel in the Gaza war" is neutral as far as the title wording. — Maile (talk) 04:50, 4 March 2025 (UTC)
- Delete as WP:POVFORK. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 05:36, 4 March 2025 (UTC)
- Delete: Per nom. A clear CFORK, also note that the article is written in the tone of fanpov. – Garuda Talk! 07:49, 4 March 2025 (UTC)
- Delete as blatant WP:POVFORK, the best option here is either merge it or redirect it to United States support for Israel in the Gaza war. Warm Regards, Miminity (Talk?) (me contribs) 13:37, 4 March 2025 (UTC)
- Operation Ceasefire (guns-for-tickets program) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Looking up the topic shows nothing, no evidence of lasting significance PlotinusEnjoyer (talk) 18:12, 2 March 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete. WP:RUNOFTHEMILL buyback program with zero notability. - The Bushranger One ping only 21:32, 2 March 2025 (UTC)
- Karen White case (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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There are a grand-total four sources about this individual all pertaining to this one incident. WP:BLP1E applies. Sohom (talk) 00:02, 2 March 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom. There are notable instances of prisoners with similar circumstances, but this case is not one of the notable ones. BD2412 T 00:46, 2 March 2025 (UTC)
- This case is notable as it directly led to the government reviewing guidance on how transgender prisoners should be accommodated within the prison estate and, thereafter, the opening of transgender wings within prisons 2A00:23C8:3D81:7801:852:F46:1EE9:B4CA (talk) 18:02, 3 March 2025 (UTC)
- Delete: Per nom. 🦅White-tailed eagleTalk to the eagleStalking eagle 01:12, 2 March 2025 (UTC)
- Weak keep. If there was no real WP:SIGCOV after 2018, I would agree w/ nom - but there was follow-up in 2023[1] as well as several opinion columns, like this one[2]. The case has been discussed in scholarship of varying calibers[3][4][5][6][7] and is mentioned in a law textbook (pg. 774) [8]. Prison policy in the UK for trans prisoners was also seemingly changed in response to the case[9], which I think could suggest WP:IMPACT. Zzz plant (talk) 01:17, 2 March 2025 (UTC)
- You are correct. This case is quoted whenever discussion around self-id and single sex spaces for women are discussed. This can be an important article once it is fleshed out by more experienced editors than me2A00:23C8:3D81:7801:852:F46:1EE9:B4CA (talk) 11:05, 2 March 2025 (UTC)
- Draftify This article is still under construction. There is not enough information here yet to show or determine notability. As an article just over one hour old, it could have been moved to draft space without being brought here. RebeccaGreen (talk) 14:48, 2 March 2025 (UTC)
- Just discovered that there is an article on this topic in the Spanish section of Wikipedia. 2A00:23C8:3D81:7801:852:F46:1EE9:B4CA (talk) 17:26, 2 March 2025 (UTC)
- Keep per Zzz plant. The article badly needs expansion but the topic is inherently notable. Examining the WP:NEVENT criteria:
- WP:LASTING: According to the BBC, the case influenced the UK to change its policy regarding transgender prisoners. [10]
- WP:GEOSCOPE: The case received coverage from national media, including the Guardian [11], BBC [12], Times [13], Independent [14], Telegraph [15], and Sky News [16].
- WP:DEPTH: In addition to straightforward reporting on the case, the Guardian published two in-depth articles about why the case happened [17] and its effects on the UK's transgender inmate policy [18].
- WP:PERSISTENCE: As outlined by Zzz plant, the case has been taken up by multiple academic sources since White's 2018 conviction. The case has also received media coverage since then, e.g. [19] [20]
- WP:DIVERSE: See WP:GEOSCOPE above.
- Astaire (talk) 17:55, 2 March 2025 (UTC)
- Draftify. New article with no real content. I agree it is notable though. But there is nothing here and for a crime involving BLPs it is an issue in its current state. PARAKANYAA (talk) 18:55, 2 March 2025 (UTC)
- Keep.Hopefully the article is much improved now. Slàinte mhath a chàirdean (talk) 23:16, 2 March 2025 (UTC)
- Delete This is very much a WP:BLP1E case and the focus of this article is on their prison issues and activity rather than anything that affected the general public outside mentioning how they got to prison, and the categorization of Category:LGBTQ history in the United Kingdom is alarmingly WP:POINTy. Nathannah • 📮 00:27, 3 March 2025 (UTC)
- Well, it's not a BLP1E since the article is about the case, not the person, and the article now has a section titled "Aftermath and impact". The issue with the category also isn't a deletion rationale. Astaire (talk) 17:41, 3 March 2025 (UTC)
- The article... is on the event. PARAKANYAA (talk) 05:03, 4 March 2025 (UTC)
- Note: This article has significantly changed since its AfD nomination. Astaire (talk) 17:39, 3 March 2025 (UTC)
- Mohammad Jorjandi (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Inadequate sources for a BLP, particularly one which makes negative claims about the subject (e.g. that they were arrested and imprisoned). Omphalographer (talk) 10:20, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
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- 2025 Thiruvananthapuram mass murder (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Seems to be a violation of WP:NOTNEWS. Unlikely to have a WP:LASTING and WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE. Warm Regards, Miminity (Talk?) (me contribs) 08:48, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete, as per the nomination. JustARandomEditor123 (talk) 11:30, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
- Delete, per WP:NOTNEWS. Akshaypatill (talk) 19:04, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
- Delete: per nom. I concur with the WP:LASTING rationale. – Garuda Talk! 21:37, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
- Keep For an event to be notable WP:EVENT, it must receive significant or in-depth coverage WP:INDEPTH. It has a clear cover. 5 people were fatally stabbed to death News source(s)
- This is not an everyday occurrence, many editors argue that it is part of the daily routine when it comes to events happening in India, and the opinion is incorrect. A man fatally stabbing 5 people is an extraordinary event, and it has received a very remarkable response.
- Articles about criminal acts, particularly those that fall within the category of breaking news, are frequently the subject of deletion discussions. As with other events, media coverage can confer notability on a high-profile criminal act, provided such coverage meets the above guidelines and those regarding reliable sources. Spworld2 (talk) 08:58, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. It doesn't seem to have the makings of a LASTING impact. Clarityfiend (talk) 13:45, 2 March 2025 (UTC)
- Comment : We had maintained the page for the 2001 Aluva massacre, and yes, the coverage is the same for this too. WP:LASTING impact of this is going on, in the context of this incident, the Kerala Police and the Kerala High Court are going to bring a law to seize drugs. After this, the Kerala Police conducted a lot of checks, found the drug mafia [21] [22]and produced them in court[23],
- Delete. Wikipedia is not a hosting space for news articles. Notability needs to be demonstrated by significant coverage in secondary sources beyond news coverage. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 🛸 23:37, 3 March 2025 (UTC)
- The Kerala Police investigated the case and proved that 5 people were killed in a brutal manner, and the accused was produced in court[24] [25] [26][27]. There are sources for this. Isn't it noteworthy that there is a brutal massacre that killed more people, a news source, and police court evidence? WP:EVENT WP:NCRIME Spworld2 (talk) 07:39, 4 March 2025 (UTC)
- 2025 Bielefeld mass shooting (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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WP:TOOSOON for an article, no evidence of WP:LASTING coverage. EF5 14:44, 27 February 2025 (UTC)
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- Comment: There are plenty of news sources out there, but almost all are extremely short or are just replicating the AP news release from yesterday. By the time this AfD discussion has run its course, it will be clearer whether this event has lasting coverage. I can't make any predictions on that. Reconrabbit 16:02, 27 February 2025 (UTC)
- Procedural keep per WP:RUSHDELETE, unable to determine if this will be notable until it has run its course in the news. Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 17:44, 27 February 2025 (UTC)
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- Currently there is plenty of international coverage with sources supplied to prove that. If news stories continue to come out then the should be a keep. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:17, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
- Keep per above, but the article could use a lot more information than currently as is. Madeleine (talk) 02:06, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
- Delete. Promises that it may be notable some day are not a valid reason to create or keep an article. This is especially the case when it's about routine news. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 🛸 06:00, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
- Draftify and move protect until it's sufficiently improved unless that can be done during the course of the AfD. ALso, more time in draft space will allow determination of whether there's any continuing coverage. Star Mississippi 23:38, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
- State violence (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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It's just not encyclopedic. Unbelievable POV, specious claims, pushing an inherently subjective narrative. State terrorism seems like it's doing what this one article is trying to, from a factual standpoint. This just takes that and then adds the claims that any form of borders are unacceptable violence, the American state is forcibly sterilizing minority women to maintain a white ethnostate, etc. I just don't see the need for this on an encyclopedia, when all it really is is a list of links to interesting articles on real problems, with absolutely insane commentary added. Bruhpedia (talk) 12:02, 24 February 2025 (UTC)
- Well, it's in a terrible state and probably needs a complete rewrite, but refs [1..3] are solidly reliable sources, all explicitly discussing "state violence". That means it's a notable thing. It doesn't appear to be a synonym of state terrorism, either. Chiswick Chap (talk) 12:21, 24 February 2025 (UTC)
Blow it up and start over there's a notable concept here, but the article needs massive amounts of work. Eddie891 Talk Work 16:16, 24 February 2025 (UTC)- Keep and revert to the stub it was here, which seems to avoid the problems that the current version has. Eddie891 Talk Work 09:21, 25 February 2025 (UTC)
- Speedy keep and rewrite. Technically, this is grounds for speedy keep as an invalid rationale (WP:SKCRIT) as it doesn't address any of the reasons for deletion. The reasons listed in the nomination are neutral point of view which the nominator sees as unencyclopedic, but this is not enough to fall under what Wikpedia is not, and is thus invalid. Per WP:ATD, problems that can be fixed with editing should be done instead of nominating for deletion. In terms of notability, it is very obviously a notable topic, no questions asked, and—per Chiswick Chap—is a seperate topic from State terrorism. I will begin working on rewriting the article as soon as I can, and a reviewing admin can decide if this is speedy keep or not. —Sparkle and Fade (talk • contributions) 23:22, 24 February 2025 (UTC)
- I was wrong, monopoly on violence, not state terrorism, is the article that covers a lot of the same issues this article does, but more evenhandedly.
- Regardless, it's obviously a notable term, but if it's a synonym or hyponym of monopoly on violence that doesn't mean we have to keep the article instead of merging it. My issue was that the article was 1,000 words of subjective critical theory that has no place here, and, once you excised that, all that's left is a stub definition of monopoly on violence (with a bit of state terrorism, insofar as there's anything at all.
- If the article can be rewritten to have encyclopedic value, that's great, and obviously preferable to deletion. I just think that deletion is preferable to leaving it as is, per Wikipedia:NOTADVOCACY, and arguably Wikipedia:NOTOPINION and Wikipedia:Soapbox. A stub reversion could work too, if 95% of the work has been done by Weber, but there's some worth in noting that this term builds on state violence in whatever corner of postmodern theory. Bruhpedia (talk) 01:28, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
- Also, notability doesn't necessarily mean it's worth keeping, I'd say it falls under Wikipedia:Junk. Better to rewrite from scratch per Wikipedia:TNT, but better to delete than let be. Bruhpedia (talk) 08:20, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
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- Redirect to Monopoly on violence in lieu of TNT at this point. State violence, a sociological concept with its origins in Weber, and state terrorism are fundamentally distinct concepts. Regards,--Goldsztajn (talk) 05:42, 25 February 2025 (UTC)
- This is what I was thinking. It's not distinct from monopoly on violence, an article that uses "state violence" interchangeably at times. Bruhpedia (talk) 01:13, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Keep or redirect?
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The result was delete. Vanamonde93 (talk) 17:43, 4 March 2025 (UTC)
- Elias Hossain (journalist) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Vanity spam, sourced to nonsense and non RS - see previous deletions as well. I'll outline more when I have access to a computer but this has been a long term spam project in terms of attempts to get an article. In any case, the subject doesn't meet even the bare requirements for notability. GRINCHIDICAE🎄 21:18, 16 February 2025 (UTC)
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- keep I'm looking at this article and it has 21 citations, including articles about his Bangladesh arrest warrant, about a recent arrest in the U.S., also about the arrest, and discussing his work over many paragraphs.That seems to go well beyond the minimum for WP:BASIC. Can you help me understand how you decided this article fails notability requirements? Oblivy (talk) 02:08, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
- 21 sources of which 0 meet the bare minimum standard of in depth and independent coverage. CUPIDICAE❤️ 01:41, 21 February 2025 (UTC)
- ~~Comment~~ Weak keep: Recognize I'm coming here before the AFD nomination is completely filled out, but some of the sources seem to have reliable coverage:
- https://netra.news/2023/bangladeshs-youtube-dissidents/ -- summary of his work from a small website operated by a larger organization with a board (I think)
- The only other thing he appears notable for is a bunch of announcements saying he was arrested, among which one of the better ones is:
- Some followup coverage of which is here:
- Not sure how reliable this source is, although it exists:
- This source appears to just summarize a video he made:
- And this one summarizes a social media post after giving a little information on him.
- Didn't search for any more, but based on what's there, it's kinda debatable -- there is 1 good source, and a bunch of not-great not-super-thorough sources covering him getting criminally charged, which might be questioned under WP:NOTNEWS. Mrfoogles (talk) 02:10, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
- @Oblivy brought up it meets WP:BASIC and I read the article again -- it's definitely written in a promotional way and has tone issues, but (importantly) given the multiple-paragraph summary of his work in the one good source and the apparent continuing coverage in various sources of his interactions with various legal systems it seems worth a keep, if it needs a bit of a rewrite. Mrfoogles (talk) 02:13, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
- Delete This is a wholly negative WP:BLP page and while there is coverage would need to be completely rewritten in order to meet our standards. SportingFlyer T·C 03:29, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
- The lead and first three sections have no negative content at all (unless his treatment by the Awami League government is a demerit). If anything the Life in Exile section is excessively positive. The last section is well sourced, making this definitionally not an attack page. Can you point to or explain the standards you are relying on for your delete vote? Oblivy (talk) 04:24, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
- The positive section you quote is almost completely cited to his arrest warrant. SportingFlyer T·C 18:09, 27 February 2025 (UTC)
- Well, no, it's cited to newspaper articles some of which talk about his legal troubles. My point was that your claim above that this is a "wholly negative" page isn't at all accurate. If you are attempting to make a more nuanced point about the quality of the coverage see my comment below. Oblivy (talk) 01:23, 3 March 2025 (UTC)
- I was not specific enough, sorry. They are indeed cited to articles talking about his arrest warrant, but that doesn't negate my point in the slightest. SportingFlyer T·C 01:25, 3 March 2025 (UTC)
- Wholly negative because positive content supported by articles containing negative content? IMHO a non-starter argument. I've explained myself sufficiently -- in policy-based terms -- below the relist Oblivy (talk) 08:16, 3 March 2025 (UTC)
- I was not specific enough, sorry. They are indeed cited to articles talking about his arrest warrant, but that doesn't negate my point in the slightest. SportingFlyer T·C 01:25, 3 March 2025 (UTC)
- Well, no, it's cited to newspaper articles some of which talk about his legal troubles. My point was that your claim above that this is a "wholly negative" page isn't at all accurate. If you are attempting to make a more nuanced point about the quality of the coverage see my comment below. Oblivy (talk) 01:23, 3 March 2025 (UTC)
- The positive section you quote is almost completely cited to his arrest warrant. SportingFlyer T·C 18:09, 27 February 2025 (UTC)
- The lead and first three sections have no negative content at all (unless his treatment by the Awami League government is a demerit). If anything the Life in Exile section is excessively positive. The last section is well sourced, making this definitionally not an attack page. Can you point to or explain the standards you are relying on for your delete vote? Oblivy (talk) 04:24, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
- Delete - per WP:N and WP:NOTNEWS.No indication of notability from any of the WP:NJOURNALIST criteria.User:Hrksmp
- Delete - per User:Hrksmp reasoning.Vinegarymass911 (talk) 22:06, 22 February 2025 (UTC)
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- Keep. The sourcing seems to be sufficient for general notability. How the article is written isn't relevant - AfD isn't cleanup. Cortador (talk) 19:33, 24 February 2025 (UTC)
- Delete as lacking significant coverage, with extremely poor sourcing. Most egregious are the basic reporting errors. He's not a journalist, he's a content creator. There's no such thing as "Queens Criminal Court": it's Kew Gardens criminal courthouse, or Queens County, Criminal Term, Supreme Court.[1] Those are just two examples of basic BLP errors riddled throughout. See WP:TNT. Bearian (talk) 03:13, 27 February 2025 (UTC)
- He is described as a "former crime reporter" and someone who "reports" and generates "reporting". The Dhaka post uses the term সাংবাদিক which Google translate translates as "journalist". Financial Express calls him a "former journalist". So what exactly is your basis for saying he's not a journalist? Because he's not employed by legacy media? Do we disregard what secondary sources say because we choose to apply a more confined definition to journalist?Regarding the term "Queens Criminal Court" that's the term used by the Financial Express. The New York State court website uses that term. And if it's really an error fixing mistakes is easy. Oblivy (talk) 05:07, 27 February 2025 (UTC)
- Just to be clear, I don't think he meets WP:NJOURNALIST but he does meet WP:NBASIC. The tone of the first half of the page is not right, and some of the sourcing is poor (like everything under Early Life), but he has plenty of reputable outlets writing about him and nobody has seriously disputed that. I do think there's some argument that what this guy is getting press coverage for seems to be youtube vids about a murder in Bangladesh, and something about famous people in New York[28] and some alleged extortion[29] but I guess he'd say he's being persecuted. I'd like to see an RS citation about his prior career but I don't think that's fatal to the AfD.Oblivy (talk) 12:56, 27 February 2025 (UTC)
References
- ^ "11th JD - Criminal Term, Queens Supreme Court ... Kew Gardens Courthouse & Annex". NYS OCA. Retrieved February 27, 2025.
- @GRINCHIDICAE: In your nomination you say, "see previous deletions" and "this has been a long term spam project in terms of attempts to get an article". Please provide links/evidence. --Worldbruce (talk) 05:37, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
- Comment – I did not find deletion discussions at the logs for Elias Hossain (journalist), but I will note that Darkonexdo unilaterally moved Elias Hossain (which they created) out of the draftspace several times with no improvements and communication with other editors. When Elias Hossain was changed to a disambiguation page by another editor, Darkonexdo did the same thing to this article. This exact pattern of behaviour got Darkonexdo recently. So while I'm not sure what GRINCHIDICAE is referring to in regard to the deletion discussions, their claim that there is a history of attempts to have this article published is true, at least in my evaluation. Yue🌙 02:10, 4 March 2025 (UTC)
- Delete As per nomination.Rahmatula786 (talk) 05:46, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
- Delete: The sources are all unbylined content that is likely unreliable, so I don't see a WP:GNG pass on the strength of sources. Moreover, this article is a massive WP:BLPCRIME violation. Dclemens1971 (talk) 14:46, 4 March 2025 (UTC)
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- Jihobbyist (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This is a neologism, and does not meet our standards for it. There is actually a lot of usage of the term, but it's always referring to it in the context of its creator, and should be merged to the creator of the term, Jarret Brachman. PARAKANYAA (talk) 01:57, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete for lack of significant coverage. It's hilarious, and I'm a fan of portmanteaux myself (I invented mergetarian in 2008), but as the years have passed, we've become more strict with notability. Bearian (talk) 04:57, 15 February 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Ineligible for soft deletion.
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- Comment I will do the merge myself if the consensus is not to keep. There is coverage, it's just in the context of its creator. PARAKANYAA (talk) 23:52, 23 February 2025 (UTC)
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- Merge to the creator, per nom Eddie891 Talk Work 12:02, 27 February 2025 (UTC)
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The result was keep. ✗plicit 11:57, 4 March 2025 (UTC)
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Non-notable mass murder, WP:NOTNEWS Thebiguglyalien (talk) 16:43, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Crime, Events, and Saudi Arabia. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 16:43, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- Comment searching for sources in any right to left language is really annoying, but there is continuing coverage from years after the fact (2021 2021 2021? year is weird for this source ) from established Saudi sources, including Al Watan (Saudi Arabia), CNN, etc. My issue is that these are mostly about the guy who did it being executed. There is more but searching in Arabic is difficult for me. Still, that's not nothing. Saudi Arabia does not have very many mass shootings so this seems decidedly unusual, especially in how it targeted an educational facility. PARAKANYAA (talk) 20:55, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- I'm going to do a more thorough search later and then decide. PARAKANYAA (talk) 02:26, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- @PARAKANYAA, did you get around to doing a more thorough search? -- asilvering (talk) 23:59, 24 February 2025 (UTC)
- I did, and I'm still uncertain. The coverage didn't immediately fall off, there was coverage throughout 2016, but after that it gets hard to search especially because different sources write the name of the place and the perpetrator differently. What I am looking at indicates there is probably more I am not finding but it's hard to tell. There is a non-zero amount after that but it's difficult for me to evaluate the reliability of Arabic sourcing and a lot isn't showing up in google. This seems to be viewed as a decidedly unusual crime there, and the coverage was decently in depth from what I can find, so it's not like it would be stuck as a stub forever.
- I think an OK merge would be Al Dayer (which according to the saudi sources, is where this actually happened - I think ad dair is a very small town in Al Dayer? it's somewhere in that governate for sure. 2021 saudi sources say "Education Office in Al-Dayer Governorate, east of Jazan") to a history section. Seems to be one of the more significant things to have happened there (at least enough to be reported internationally). Preferential to merge unless additional sourcing is found, but otherwise weak keep. PARAKANYAA (talk) 04:15, 25 February 2025 (UTC)
- I'm going to do a more thorough search later and then decide. PARAKANYAA (talk) 02:26, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- Keep, there are quite a lot of sources on it in Arabic meeting WP:GNG, the Arabic wiki's page on it is a good place to start. It can definitely be expanded upon. jolielover♥talk 05:02, 11 February 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 22:22, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
- Comment, The Arabic wiki's page only has coverage from the immediate days surrounding the shooting as best as I can tell, not indicative of sustained coverage, imv. Eddie891 Talk Work 07:55, 25 February 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Owen× ☎ 09:17, 25 February 2025 (UTC)
- Keep There are enough Arabic sources for this article to be kept. Expansion would be good. ScrabbleTiles (talk) 09:23, 25 February 2025 (UTC)
- Keep. Sufficient sourcing has been provided. Cortador (talk) 10:54, 25 February 2025 (UTC)
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