Template:Knight's Cross recipients of JG 5 (talk||history|logs|links|watch) (XfD|restore)

I am appealing the deletion of the template {{Knight's Cross recipients of JG 5}}. The template was deleted in context of a bulk nomination (see Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2017 September 30#Template:Knight's Cross recipients of the 1st ID). Since 2017, all of the referenced entries in that template have been fully expanded, many attaining B-class or higher ratings with Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history. The layout of the template follows similar templates such as {{WWII women snipers}}, {{Female HSU Partisans}}, {{Women fighter pilots WWII}}, {{Heroes of the Soviet Union 37th GRD}} or {{Heroes of the Soviet Union 46th GNBR}}, just to list a few. The closing editor @Godric on Leave:, alternatively known as @Winged Blades of Godric:, seems to have retired. In a related instance, the deletion was overturned in 2022, see Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2022 August 12. Pinging involved editors from 2017 @K.e.coffman and Kierzek: Thanks for the consideration. MisterBee1966 (talk) 07:38, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Vacate and restore. The 2017 deletion was correct, but clearly things have changed since then. I see no reason to deny this appeal. Owen× ☎ 09:37, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• No action—declare all refundable. MisterBee1966 should be trusted to ask for a refund only when it's appropriate.
  MisterBee1966 appears to be the main creator of such templates of which there are many. There have been 200+ of them or more, and most have been deleted over time as not serving a navigational purpose, over many TfDs, some individual some bundled. Example older TfDs: Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2016 December 24. These particular older TfDs were closed by Primefac who added to the close: REFUNDable if sufficient new pages are created. At that time, it seemed that there was a general agreement that these templates are okay as long as there is a sufficient population of articles for each. Normal.
  But then the consensus changed to the templates being unwanted as a type of template, which is evident in the TfD brought up by the DRV nom. The rationale for deletion wasn't that there aren't enough members, it transformed into the templates being unwanted categorically, and consensus formed around that; it must have seemed like they're all on a path of getting deleted...
  This appearance of a wider consensus was short lived, as mass-nominations continued and the deletion trend was noticed and opposed by other editors leading to a subsequent "no consensus" bundled TfD. 70 have survived up to this day (such as Template:Knight's Cross recipients of the 12th PD—strange how the DRV nom did not bring such functionally identical, surviving templates as examples).
  So there is no wider sense that these templates are unwanted. All TfD's of these templates should be understood in the words of Primefac: ask for a refund when sufficient new pages are created. Starting individual DRVs would not be so great.—Alalch E. 13:51, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Based on the advise given by @Alalch E.:, I have requested that the template be refunded, see Wikipedia:Requests_for_undeletion#Template:Knight's_Cross_recipients_of_JG_5, Thanks MisterBee1966 (talk) 14:29, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• The request was archived before a decision was taken. MisterBee1966 (talk) 12:44, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• I haven't worked in template space enough to figure out if this is valid, and I know some things have changed of late. That being said I'm not sure why this would be a template instead of a category. SportingFlyer T·C 00:22, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  1) Wouldn't work as a category: "Category:Recipients of the Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross of JG 5" would be deleted as non-encyclopedic cross-categorization.

  2) Wouldn't need to also be able to work as a category (to be "replaceable" with a category) to be justifiable as a navigation template.

  3) Even if it had worked as a category, and we had both, one would not need to go away--because overlapping categories, lists and navigation templates are not considered duplicative. —Alalch E. 08:12, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]