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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) —JmaJeremy✆✎ 05:44, 25 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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The Swedish term "Ädelost" simply means "Blue Cheese". It is not a specific type or brand of blue cheese, and hence has no place in an encyclopedia. OpenFuture (talk) 19:58, 18 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep The word means noble cheese not blue cheese (which would be blåost). The type of cheese is notable, see World Cheese Book, for example. Warden (talk) 20:30, 18 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No, the literal translation is "noble cheese", yes, but it means blue cheese. Nobody says "blåost", that word doesn't exist in Swedish, it's called "ädelost" or "grönmögelost" (green mold cheese). As the source you refer to has no preview I can't verify what it says. That it uses the word "Ädelost" isn't proof of notability, as many Swedish blue cheese uses that word in it's name. It still doesn't make it a type of cheese. --OpenFuture (talk) 20:36, 18 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sweden-related deletion discussions. 23:11, 18 August 2012 (UTC) • Gene93k (talk) 23:11, 18 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions. 23:11, 18 August 2012 (UTC) • Gene93k (talk) 23:11, 18 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep I found one reliable source in the form of a 2009 book on cheeses of the world, which I've added to the article. Part of the problem is that many sources are in Swedish, but with this solid one, I think that should be enough to let this cheese stand alongside Stinking Bishop, even if it's not mentioned in an animated movie. Geoff ^{Who, me?} 00:13, 19 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I can't see that quote, could you quote it? Still with this there is only one source as it's the same as above. --OpenFuture (talk) 02:10, 19 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"Ädelost, or 'noble cheese,' is Sweden's only original blue and was created as an alternative to the imported French blues," is the first sentence. Geoff ^{Who, me?} 16:04, 19 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. --OpenFuture (talk) 07:46, 20 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: In my experience, this term is used colloquially to mean "blue cheese" in general, of whatever brand or regional origin, in accordance with what OpenFuture states above. However, when I look it up in Nationalencyklopedin, it is actually more precisely defined as a Swedish variant of Roquefort cheese made from cow's milk and using the green mold Penicillium roqueforti (the original Roquefort cheese is made from sheep's milk). --Hegvald (talk) 07:00, 19 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting. Then we at least have one verifiable source on the topic. That's an improvement. --OpenFuture (talk) 08:39, 19 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• This is interesting. My first impulse was to say "Delete" based on my own usage of the word to mean blue cheese in general. But according to NE, the general term is "mögelost" while "ädelost" is a specific type of blue cheese. This feels wrong to me (I'd use the two terms interchangeably, and am pretty sure they also do that in grocery shops) but after all we do rely on sources and not on our own intuition. So I guess that it will have to be a weak keep, but more sources would of course be nice. --bonadea contributions talk 14:08, 19 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - A variety of blue cheese specific to Sweden. Appears to meet WP:GNG per:

• The World Cheese Book
• Heinrich Mair-Waldburg (1974), Handbuch der Käse: Käse der Welt von A-Z : eine Enzyklopädie, Volkswirtschaftlicher Verlag, p. 269
• There's also these mentions:

• Dictionary of Food: International Food and Cooking Terms from A to Z - Charles Sinclair - Google Books
• Villas at Table

It's also quite possible that reliable Swedish-language sources exist for this topic. Northamerica1000^(talk) 21:11, 19 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'd still appreciate actual quotes from these books. --OpenFuture (talk) 21:20, 19 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Just open the hyperlinks. For the unlinked source, please keep in mind that per Wikipedia's Verifiability policy, sources are not required to be available online. Northamerica1000^(talk) 06:15, 20 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The hyperlinks contain no quotes for me. This is probably because of geography. Sources are not required to be able online, but sources are actually required to support what is said. I'd like to verify that, and hence I would like quotes. --OpenFuture (talk) 07:45, 20 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You may want to consider not nominating articles for deletion that have received coverage which exists on servers that you cannot access, for whatever reasons. Part of the reason why is that this is very likely to lead to malformed and/or incorrect nominations to remove information from the encyclopedia. People are unlikely to want to provide verbatim quotes for each source in AfD discussions, because it's time consuming and amounts to doing a bunch of work for one person, rather than for the entire encyclopedia. Happy editing! Northamerica1000^(talk) 13:29, 21 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I can access the servers. They show no quotes. And coverage do not exist on "servers". Reliable sources can indeed be servers, in the case of online magazines etc, but for the most part reliable sources are books and articles. In this case they are books. I'v asked for quotes from the books, as a simple search on "Ädelost" might gve you hits that doesn't actually support the notability of the term. Your refusal to give the quotes is interesting. It should reasonably be a simple case of typing the quotes in, but somehow instead of doing that, you spend time avoiding it, thereby wasting everybodies time. I can only conclude that the quotes don't support a keep. --OpenFuture (talk) 14:13, 21 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Whereas it is true that many Swedes use the word "ädelost" in a broader sense, it is, as the Nationalencyklopedin entry points out, actually a local kind of cheese. The fact that the noun can carry both these meanings in Swedish doesn't mean that we should delete the entry because one of said meanings wouldn't merit an article with the Swedish name here. /Julle (talk) 00:46, 24 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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