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Ju-Jitsu International Federation (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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I believe a discussion is well needed after the appearance of many standalone pages of Iranian Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu athletes. (See:Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Reza Shafiei) I just uncovered a massive issue in wikipedia when talking about Ju-jitsu. For example, Ju-jitsu at the 2014 Asian Beach Games, Jujutsu at the 2013 World Combat Games and Ju-Jitsu World Championships, the Ju-jitsu is "Men's ne-waza". That's the loophole. Ju Jitsu (Newaza) is exactly Brazilian jiu-jitsu. See Jujutsu#Brazilian jiu-jitsu, and explained here by the subject's website itself https://jjif.sport/jiu-jitsu. Now that we established that they showcases Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu/JJ ne-waza matches (See:2024 Ju jitsu World Championship Greece) we can address that the level for their Ju-jitsu ne-waza is not recognized at all.[1] The consensus in the Jiu-Jitsu world is that World IBJJF Jiu-Jitsu Championship & ADCC Submission Fighting World Championship are the biggest Jiu-Jitsu events in the world with ADCC being commonly referred to as "the Olympics of grappling". Competing or getting a medal in the Ju-Jitsu World Championships for example, can be easily confused as a "world championship" win in Jiu-Jitsu, but the "Ju-Jitsu International Federation" is not even close to be regarded as a top Jiu-Jitsu. (Even highly competitive Jiu-Jitsu events such as NAGA have been deleted Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/North American Grappling Association for lack of independent coverage.) The organization has had notability issues since 2012/2013. [User:Lekkha Moun|Lekkha Moun]] ([[[User talk:Lekkha Moun|talk]]) 09:28, 9 February 2025 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Organizations and Martial arts. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 10:46, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep This is an international federation recognized by few organizations like GAISF (now AIMS), IWGA, OCA and probably few more. it's not just a random organization made by a private company or few individuals. They have few ju-jitsu styles under their umbrella, Fighting, Duo, Ne-waza. maybe some of their competitions are for amateurs but the federation itself is notable enough. if you google JJIF you can find enough coverage in other websites. even the IOC covers some of their competitions. Sports2021 (talk) 23:04, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with you about the other sport they host. I wanted to highlight and leave traces of a discussion about their BJJ/JJ ne-waza activities for future references, because BJJ is becoming a massive sport worldwide. If we keep this article, we sports contributors need to make a distinction between BJJ accomplishments in BJJ athletes. If we conclude that Ju-Jitsu International Federation is notable, it doesn't mean their BJJ/JJ newaza is.

Zhou Zhiruo (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Not sure this meets the notability guideline for fictional elements. The entire article is basically a plot summary. I am unsure of the reliability of the sole reference (preserved by archive here), but it looks more like a fansite than a book to be honest, even if it does claim to be published by a press. Obviously the vast majority of reference material on this topic is probably in Chinese. A quick look when searching the character's name in Chinese didn't bring up anything substantial (mostly press releases and blog posts). Looking on google books in Chinese didn't bring up anything substantial either, only the works themselves or plot summaries. Hemiauchenia (talk) 02:53, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Fictional elements, Martial arts, and China. Hemiauchenia (talk) 02:53, 5 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to The Heaven Sword and Dragon Saber. Redirect as if sources exist they are in Chinese, which I cannot search in, and I assume the nom did not (I did check the zh wiki article and it does not appear to have any reception/analysis and just like ours, is a plot summary + a list of media this character appers in). As such, the article as written fails WP:GNG, and WP:THEREMAYBESOURCES is hardly a valid argument. All things considered, redirecting is the best outcome, unless someone can improve it now. After redirection, this can hibernate in the history until such a time someone is able to restore it, if sources are found. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:22, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  I did do a google book search in Chinese using Chinese characters [2] (I can't read Chinese either, though you can auto-translate the books titles and snippets using Chrome's page translation feature), and I did find some sources that were analyses of Jin Yong's novels that mentioned the character like [3] and [4], but the actual quotes that were shown as snippets looked like essentially plot summary to me. Hemiauchenia (talk) 02:32, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  [5] might count as sigcov, as the snippet quote shows a bit of analysis. Hemiauchenia (talk) 02:35, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Strong Keep: Zhou Zhiruo (周芷若) is a lead character in The Heaven Sword and Dragon Saber, one of China's greatest Wuxia novels, prominently featured in several films and TV series and portrayed by many top actresses. The deceased top actress's tombstone is honored with a replica of her most famous character, Zhou Zhiruo; see [6]. Well, should we delete Pokémon just because it is fictional? The character holds greater prominence than Western fictional characters in South Asian regions.

Numerous literary works explore and research the subject, including 周芷若 or 金庸 周芷若 人物分析, and many scholarly articles analyzing the character can be found in the Chinese Scholar Database. Please conduct research and find sources in the Chinese language before proposing deletion. If you nominate minor characters, I can agree with you, but this is an AfD on a notable female lead.

Really? Wikipedia is not exclusively an English-language source center, and the absence of English sources is not a valid reason for deletion. If you want to make a problem about Chinese fictional characters, please reconsider focusing on minor ones.

Well, here are some significant scholarly articles about her below:

• 论周芷若的人物形象 ["On the Character Image of Zhou Zhiruo"] from Science and Fortune Magazine (a national second-level academic journal approved by the State Press and Publication Administration), 2018, Issue 19.
• 山隐与凌迟——金庸小说中人物周芷若形象分析 ["An Analysis of Zhou Zhiruo’s Character in Jin Yong’s Novels"], a research paper from Jiangsu Food Technology College by Zhang Jun.
• 论《倚天屠龙记》中的周芷若 ["On Zhou Zhiruo in The Heaven Sword and Dragon Saber"] by Meng Qinglian from Zhengzhou Vocational Technology College.
• 芷若心事无人知 ["Zhiruo's Unspoken Thoughts"] by Yue Wei from Weifang Institute of Innovative Education Policy, Shandong.
• 《倚天屠龙记》中周芷若的善恶一体形象 ["The Duality of Good and Evil in Zhou Zhiruo’s Character in The Heaven Sword and Dragon Saber"] by Li Gaiting and Lou Bo from Hebei University of Science and Technology.
• 浅谈《倚天屠龙记》的四位女性 [Discussion on the Four Female Characters in The Heaven Sword and Dragon Saber"] by Han Haiyan from the School of Humanities and Media, Zunyi Normal University.

49.49.25.233 (talk) 17:23, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comparing the whole Pokemon franchise to an individual character in a novel is an apples to oranges comparison. However I agree that my searching method wasn't thorough enough and I thank you for doing a more thorough search. I am now Neutral on deletion. Hemiauchenia (talk) 18:12, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:18, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sohail Khan (athlete) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Fails WP:SPORTBASIC. The person does not have significant coverage in Reliable sources. AndySailz (talk) 12:39, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Sports, and India. AndySailz (talk) 12:39, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep: The subject is an international Kudo player and has been covered by reliable sources such as Dainik Bhaskar, Rajasthan Patrika, The Print, and even 'ETV Bharat'—all with significant coverage (WP:SIGCOV). Even if we consider the minimum criteria under WP:THREE, the subject still meets the notability guidelines. Baqi:) (talk) 13:53, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

All three references including ETV Bharat are not reliable and fails WP:RS. AndySailz (talk) 05:53, 31 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Martial arts, and Madhya Pradesh. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 20:49, 30 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete I looked at the articles in the sources mentioned by user Jannatulbaqi. Besides their questionable reliability is the fact that none of them constitute significant coverage as WP defines it. One article named three people from the city that were going to the Kudo World Cup, one was clearly a PR release naming four Kudo athletes that had been appointed as income tax officers, one mentioned Khan had attended a public school Kudo tournament as a guest, and one was entirely an interview. Several others I couldn't access. Most of his championships appear to be in youth divisions which don't show WP notability. I couldn't find info on his 2017 world championship (would again not have been as an adult). The Kudo International Federation (KIF) did not hold any world championships in 2017, though they did have a youth championship in 2018. No Indian athletes are listed [7] and no division appears to have had more than 2 entries. The 2023 world championships the article mentions do list the top 4 in each division, but there's no mention of any Indian athlete.[8] According to fightmatrix he has competed in MMA, where he has lost more fights than he's won and is currently ranked #341. I don't see anything that shows he meets WP:ANYBIO, WP:NSPORT, WP:GNG, WP:NMMA, or any other WP notability criteria. If additional relevant information is found, please let me know. Papaursa (talk) 01:08, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Vanderwaalforces (talk) 13:31, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep, I don't know about nominator but this seems to be satisfying WP:GNG completely.Adamantine123 (talk) 15:16, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Adamantine123, would you please tell us exactly which sources meet WP:GNG? I have already commented on a number of the sources claimed to show WP notability, so I am interested in which ones you consider reliable, independent, and significant.Papaursa (talk) 00:58, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Subject is ranked over top 300 in the world in MMA as mentioned by Papaursa, completely fails WP:MMA. The sport of Kudo doesn't have any established notability guidelines therefore we have to establish WP:SIGCOV or WP:GNG, which it isn't. The article is written in an incredibly non-encyclopedic way, imo blatant vanity page with potential WP:COI. Lekkha Moun (talk) 14:04, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:53, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per the detailed delete comments. Adding lengthy comment only amount to waste of time. Mekomo (talk) 07:43, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]