The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete.  Sandstein  18:02, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Martynowicz (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View log)

WP:Notability. No indication is given that this name is of encyclopedic interest. The author's interest is evidently based on his or her bearing this surname. Severe WP:Coatracking and non-sequituring, and nothing is said about the name itself other than its etymology as a patronymic for Martin, essentially a WP:DICDEF. —Largo Plazo (talk) 20:06, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - WP:NOTMEMORIAL, WP:OR, etc. Unless there are famous people under this surname (i.e. it was a lineage of Kings or something), it doesn't pass WP:N. DARTH PANDA^duel 20:11, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - WP:N WP:NOR WP:NOT WP:V.... all failed. Mister Senseless™ (Speak - Contributions) 20:32, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Transwiki to Wiktionary's name appendix (and severely cull) if the origin of the name can be confirmed. Otherwise delete, majority of the article is links and discussing patriarchs instead of the subject. - Mgm|^(talk) 20:40, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • While granting that the obvious can sometimes be incorrect, I'll note that Martynowicz = Martyn + -owicz (son of) is transparent. —Largo Plazo (talk) 20:45, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Still working on research for it, of course it is in my interest to have this subject matter available and there is actually relavence in terms of famous individuals, see: Suchekomnaty_Coat_of_Arm. The basic nature of it is due to the fact that this is my first submission. More content will be added/updated. —Brian Martynowicz (talk) 15:53, 17 November 2008 (EST)
    • Response. Might you mean Suchekomnaty coat of arms? I don't see how that page is at all relevant. Since you're a new user, it may be helpful to start taking a look at WP:N and its derivative branches and the WP: links we listed above. That way, you can get a better sense as to what should be included in Wikipedia. Thanks, and happy wiki-ing! DARTH PANDA^duel 21:02, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • Response: How is it relevant? The family Martynowicz Falls under the Suchekomnaty Coat of Arms, how can that be anymore relevant? I did glance through them actually (WP: Links), however due to the fact that I am at work I cannot look at them in depth. Whenever I get off tonight 17:00EST I'll have a better opportunity to make my case. —Brian Martynowicz (talk) 16:06, 17 November 2008 (EST)
        • Response. Following this logic, do you believe that every single family under a coat of arms should have a Wikipedia page? No such precedent has been set. DARTH PANDA^duel 21:09, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
          • Response: Okay how about this, if thats the case then why should there be a wiki for any coat of arms? Or should it only be the important ones? Precedence is not justification for deletion is it? If thats the case then how was wiki started?. —Brian Martynowicz (talk) 16:14, 17 November 2008 (EST)
            • This is Wikipedia, not Wiki. Uncle G (talk) 21:50, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
            • Response. I'm not exactly sure what you're saying. I don't believe the Coat of Arms should be deleted, I just believe the particular family name that you are touting is not notable and does not pass Wikipedia's notability requirements. DARTH PANDA^duel 21:16, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
              • Response: I am by no means solicting my last name, theres no information on it available to the public. I would say by no stretch of the imagination there are tens, if not hundreds of thousands of people that are directly traceable back to some form of Martynowicz Lineage. How is this not notable?—Brian Martynowicz (talk) 16:17, 17 November 2008 (EST)
                • Before you continue to raise factors that aren't treated as relevant to establishing notability for Wikipedia's purpose, I'd like to suggest that you read the references others have left for you and use them as your guides. I've left a welcome message on your talk page to supply you with additional links to the ways of Wikipedia. —Largo Plazo (talk) 21:25, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
                  • Largo, I saw your message thanks for the warm welcome. I checked your first arguement towards deletion and I think you are incorrect. I am in no way influencing someones opinion on the subject matter. I can see how it would be biased in terms of me having the last name, but I am merely providing information and not trying to sway someones opinion one way or another. I'll need more time to address the other guides unfortunately :(--Bmartynowicz (talk) 21:28, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
                    • Nothing you'd written up to the point where I commented gave any reason to think that you were writing the article other than because it's your family name. But regardless of that, I was referring primarily to notability, not bias. The fact that someone who lived 300 years ago and had a surname has umpteen thousand descendants living today isn't a basis for assessing notability. Having umpteen thousand descendants living today isn't a distinguishing feat for someone who lived 300 years ago. Notable families are along the lines of Kennedys (specifically, descendants of Joseph P.), Bushes (back to Prescott, at least), Rockefellers, Rothschilds, Barrymores, Gandhis, Bronfmans, Roosevelts (in no particular order). —Largo Plazo (talk) 22:39, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• If "there's no information on it available to the public", as the article's creator is telling us, then this subject is unverifiable, in contraventional of our basic Wikipedia:Verifiability policy, which is a strong argument for deletion according to our Wikipedia:Deletion policy. Uncle G (talk) 21:50, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well nothing available to the public as far as information on the internet. Need more time to go to some hard copies.--70.17.201.201 (talk) 23:08, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete, or Transwiki Delete, as there is no point to it. Or, if it has to be kept, transwiki to Wiktionary. TopGearFreak ^Talk 16:27, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 16:39, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't had time to do more through investigation, stupid life getting in the way. I wish there were some people out there to maybe help me out....--Bmartynowicz (talk) 19:14, 24 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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