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The result was keep. Mgm|^(talk) 10:01, 1 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

John Lie (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View log)

May not meet WP:ACADEMIC. Selbstbildung, the user who created this, has created no other articles, and from my limited knowledge of German, "Selbstbildung" means "self-image". Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry (talk) 05:30, 29 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - it is entirely clear that this is notable. Suggests the reading of notability guideline to further clarify this article's necessary inclusion for its subject. But this is as far from delete as James Wales himself. IanWermingtyne (talk) 05:46, 29 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. —John Z (talk) 06:16, 29 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep It seems important. A better translation of "Selbstbildung" is something like "self cultivation." In any case, links work to legitimate academic outlets. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cartemisia (talk • contribs) 06:41, 29 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. I don't feel qualified to judge the importance of his books but I don't think I need to: with the named chair at Berkeley, he has a clear pass of WP:PROF #5. —David Eppstein (talk) 07:22, 29 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per David Eppstein. Could use better sources, but is clearly notable without indication of conflict of interest. Huon (talk) 11:47, 29 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. As noted by David Eppstein, his appointment as “Class of 1959 Professor” at the University of California, Berkeley qualifies him as notable under WP:PROF.--Eric Yurken (talk) 16:57, 29 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Named chairs at major research institutions evidence that this colleagues find him to be notable; satisfies WP:PROF. RJC ^Talk_Contribs 17:04, 29 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep--the man is plenty notable. Drmies (talk) 21:09, 29 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, named chair at UC Berkeley, also significant newscoverage[1]. Passes WP:PROF. Nsk92 (talk) 21:28, 30 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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