The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Nomination withdrawn. Okay, folks, move on, this race is over. (Non-admin closure) Ecoleetage (talk) 14:13, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Originally a prod: "Completely unreferenced (WP:V),with no assertion of notability (WP:N).Token directory entry at mobygames, which states that there have been no press reviews of this game." Prod was contested with the rationale: "This article needs to be cleaned up, but if you search Google, there are several reviews of this game. It was probably the first ever online racing game." I have looked through the google hits, and can see no reviews from an independent, reliable source. IGN, Mobygames, etc all have a token directory entry with the publisher's description, but nothing to suggest this meets our WP:GNG, or basic verifiability. Marasmusine (talk) 12:28, 25 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A quick apology, as I see that the article has been AfD'd previously, so I didn't need to prod it, should've taken it straight here. Marasmusine (talk) 12:39, 25 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of video game related deletions. Marasmusine (talk) 12:39, 25 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete — Per nom. NN. roux   12:43, 25 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep, reviewed on ogaming.com and was a featured article in the December 1998 issue of GamePro. I really hope this doesn't become a trend where we AFD games that had sources and magazine articles 10 years ago, but are exceedingly difficult to provide now. Someone already attempted to attack ZX Spectrum games, but thankfully we do have a digital magazine archive for that. SashaNein (talk) 14:09, 25 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  It would help if such sources are used to build the article in the first place. I think last time the reliablity of ogaming.com was in question, but I'd be interested to see how significant the GamePro material is. Marasmusine (talk) 16:18, 25 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  And if sources from said magazine rack exist, then, by all means, reference them instead of pointing and expecting others to do the work for you. MuZemike (talk) 16:40, 25 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  SashaNein, do you have a copy of this article? Is it one paragraph? a whole page? a publisher's description? critical analysis? Marasmusine (talk) 18:40, 25 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  I found it: [1] - I didn't think I would. I found it from a copy of the HoverRace homepage in 1999: [2]. Additionally I found this article proving John Ferber's collaboration in the development of the game: [3] (and updated the HoverRace page itself to reflect that) -- Ryan Curtin, 15:44, 26 November 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.61.43.144 (talk)

• Keep Games with multiple reviews are notable. DGG (talk) 00:02, 26 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  Which reviews do you mean? Marasmusine (talk) 14:11, 26 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Development is active and ongoing, the edit I made yesterday (which is likely why it was brought to your attention and nominated for deletion) was to announce the newest release of the game, something that hasn't happened in years. This game is an important piece of history because it is one of the oldest (if not the oldest) online racing game that still has an active community, holds tournaments, and is under active development. It was also reviewed by http://www.gamepwned.com (certainly a small site, but still a review) about a month ago. -- Ryan Curtin (I don't have an account but I still have an opinion) 03:41, 26 November 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.61.43.144 (talk)

  GamePwned appears to be a self-published source [4] ("The articles you find here are currently being written by Greg Cannon (that’s me)"), so is not usable to establish notability (WP:N)

• Withdraw nomination - I'm satisfied that the GamePro review is of significant quality. Good work Ryan! Marasmusine (talk) 17:18, 26 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.