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The result was keep. Star Mississippi 18:21, 8 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Heidi Krutzen (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log | edits since nomination)

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Not meeting GNG or WP:MN. Sources are simple concert announcements or links to her performances. Does not appear to have gained critical attention, no charted singles, no media coverage, no musical awards won. Oaktree b (talk) 17:01, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians, Women, England, and Canada. Skynxnex (talk) 17:40, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment I found reviews and discussion of her work online and at GScholar:

At the WP Libary, there is also:

And there appear to be more reviews for various works, so keep seems supported per WP:MUSICBIO, because she appears to be a musician who has been a reasonably prominent member of two or more independently notable ensembles, and the article can be further developed with the independent secondary coverage of her career over time, which also supports her WP:BASIC notability. Beccaynr (talk) 06:04, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep as per the reliable sources coverage identified above including articles in newspapers and magazines that show a pass of WP:GNG so that deletion is unnecessary in my view, Atlantic306 (talk) 23:54, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per Beccaynr. starship.paint (exalt) 12:27, 27 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: Per Nom. This is essentially a resume lacking independent significant coverage of the subject to warrant a stand alone article, we refer to as a BLP? Added comments: The long list of supposed references above includes "the new principal harpist of London, England’s Philharmonia Orchestra" and that she belongs to three groups, the "Krutzen/McGhee Duo, Trio Verlaine, and Couloir", or another one that the subject plays for "London’s Philharmonia Orchestra". An interview (Couloir's Heidi Krutzen and Ariel Barnes return home for border-crossing VSO concert) does not advance notability. How about a posting to "Dear NFA members". Fanfare (magazine); harpist Heidi Krutzen perform as the duet Couloir, A review of "Wine Dark Sea", "Heidi Krutzen’s performance on the harp was technically excellent and emotionally touching." "Sing O Muse": Salonen explores Stravinsky inspired by Greek myth"), "Stravinsky: Myths and Rituals 4, Philharmonia, Salonen, RFH" provides passing mention, as with "An anniversary and a departure: Esa-Pekka Salonen and the Philharmonia ("Heidi Krutzen supplied gossamer chords on the harp." All of the added sources are basically the same. Maybe there is enough coverage in one of her groups to warrant a "group" article but a biography is meant to be more than a person's accomplishments, which would be personal information (like date of birth, where she is from, etc...), not just that she plays the harp (missing any awards), and where she plays it at. -- Otr500 (talk) 18:06, 28 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Based on my expansion of the article, she also appears to have notability supported per WP:CREATIVE because of her collective body of works with multiple reviews. Information about where she is from is in the article, her WP:DOB is not widely published, where she plays her harp is described and sourced (and there are more sources available, including on ProQuest, about her various performances). The different reviews from a variety of sources focused on various Philharmonia performances help show she is a 'reasonably prominent' member of this group, per WP:MUSICBIO, and the critical coverage of Trio Verlaine and Couloir seem to similary support her prominence in those groups as well.

  I think it is expected that a BLP will focus on the subject's career and career development, because this is the focus of the coverage that makes them notable. She also apparently has won awards, but I have not fully tracked down all of the sources related to this - I think what has been developed from sources listed here and additional sources added to the article demonstrate significant secondary coverage over time to at minimum support WP:BASIC notability as a harpist. She is not notable for being born on a certain date or being from Vancouver, etc - she is the principal harpist for a notable orchestra and has a long career as a harpist with extensive critical reception. Beccaynr (talk) 19:36, 28 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Also, it appears Krutzen was a student of Judy Loman, per this WholeNote source, [1] i.e. Schafer composed seven major works for the harp, five of them for Loman and two for her students, Lori Gemmell and Heidi Krutzen. The CD, titled Ariadne’s Legacy, will be available from Centrediscs, the record label of the Canadian Music Centre but this seems to need some further research to help develop this aspect of the article, and there is another review of one of Krutzen's works with Trio Verlaine mentioned but not immediately available in a different WholeNote source [2] released their first CD Fin de Siècle – Music of Debussy and Ravel back in 2008 (reviewed in these pages by John Keillor in May of that year), and there is a WholeNote review not yet included in the article for a work that represents the results of the 2018 Azrieli Commission Prize and features B.C. duo Couloir, Heidi Krutzen (harp) and Ariel Barnes (cello), as soloists. [3]. Beccaynr (talk) 20:15, 28 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 03:37, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. Plenty of reliable independent sources to establish notability. Shawn Teller (talk) 05:36, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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