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The result was delete, or merge to preserve redirect. Ghits do not demonstrate notability, and in looking through Google searches and online print databases I was unable to find sources needed for notability.Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^(talk) 01:03, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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There are no independent references to demonstrate notability of this fictional setting. This page seems rife with original research in the comparison of the fictional Barsaive to the Ukraine (with no references to verify this). A redirect to an obvious merge/redirect target of Earthdawn was attempted, but was reverted (twice), so here we are at AfD. I personally don't see anything worth merging to this target, so I am suggesting deletion or, at best, a redirect to that target. --Craw-daddy | T | 23:02, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Game-related deletion discussions. —--Craw-daddy | T | 23:02, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Some fantasy universe settings are independently notable, but Barsaive does not appear to be among them. The article is entirely original research or lists of fantasy nations, and I don't know what it would be replaced with. gnfnrf (talk) 23:26, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge to Earthdawn. Edward321 (talk) 00:15, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Major article for a major role-playing game. It's not some minor trivia, it's the setting - like Middle-earth for LOTR. 17k Google hits not counting Wiki and mirrors, including 2k hits on pages without "Earthdawn" keyword.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 04:06, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Google is easily bombed, and notability is not established by quantity of hits but quality of the sources. You need to have reliable sources.--Boffob (talk) 00:21, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per WP:FICT, as there are no source to establish that Barsaive is notable separately of Earthdawn.--Boffob (talk) 14:37, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Perhaps a reasonable compromise would be to create an article geopolitics of Earthdawn, and merge this article and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Theran Empire there? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 20:13, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.