Unlike the situation between China and Taiwan where China claims Taiwan but does not control Taiwan, Russia controls Crimea. Therefore, Crimea is claimed by Ukraine, controlled by Russia. The Russian official map shows Crimea as part of Russia.

[1]https://mid.ru/en/maps/

204.197.177.6 (talk) 17:08, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

China also claims all of Fujian; France claims Champagne. It is perfectly explicable what the article means with this verbiage; a concerted attempt to switch it in this manner would be utterly tendentious. Remsense ‥ 论 17:10, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Claim means nothing. Any country can claim any part of the world at any time. It doesn't mean the said country has the means to take it and defend it.

204.197.177.6 (talk) 17:14, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's a little silly: any country can claim something, but this only happens in very specific situations. China doesn't claim Champagne. Remsense ‥ 论 17:15, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Trumpf claims Greenland. In the modern age, power comes from the barrel of gun, so to speak. 204.197.177.6 (talk) 17:17, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Which is why we don't color Greenland as green on United States. Remsense ‥ 论 17:19, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My point is Crimea is claimed by Ukraine. It is not claimed by Russia considering Russia controls it. 204.197.177.6 (talk) 17:24, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is claimed by Russia, which is at odds with the view of the international community, such as it is. That is obviously why the distinction is being made, and it is clear from the prose what is meant here—especially given the detailed footnote. The other option would be using three shades of green for claimed but uncontrolled, controlled, and internationally recognized, which is disastrous for visualizing information. Remsense ‥ 论 17:25, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think the correct wording should be occupied territories. For example, on the wikipedia Israel map, Golan is referred to as occupied territory despite Trumpf recognized it as Israeli territory in 2019.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel

204.197.177.6 (talk) 17:30, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Again, that would not be correct, because Russia does not presently occupy the entirety of the Donbas (or Kursk Oblast, for that matter). Remsense ‥ 论 17:31, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

However, in the case of Crimea, Russia controls the entire Crimea. So I think the correct term should be occupied territory, to be consistent with the wikipedia Israel map.

204.197.177.6 (talk) 17:33, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It would not be correct in this context, for all of the reasons I have already stated. Apologies. Remsense ‥ 论 17:34, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is a reference project. Content should be backed by reliable sources.

International community doesn't reorganise Crimea as part of Russia, despite Russia governs and controll Crimea. RealStranger43286 (talk) 15:14, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

China does de jure control Taiwan. No government in the world considers it a country different from China even if they are one of the 11 countries that recognize the Republic of China, as the Taipei authorities themselves constitutionally claim to be the legitimate government of China, Mongolia and parts of Russia. In the UN, it has been represented by the People’s Republic since 1971. De facto, the PLA has the island encircled.

All in all, dragging China into this is a lost argument. The two situations are not comparable. Anyone in support of the territorial integrity of Ukraine cannot cheer for Taiwan secessionists without being a hypocrite. Also, you should be careful with the term international community, as it is geopolitically charged. Judging by how countries vote at UN resolutions and how media uses the expression “international community”, it usually refers to former colonial countries, traditionally white, and their democratic or not so democratic allies. In terms of number and population, it doesn’t represent the world, projecting a superiority complex. The voices of Asia, Africa and South America are discredited. It is in these parts of the world where you find countries that continue to have relations with Russia because their experience with the so-called international community was colonialism. --2001:16B8:BA07:7100:2DE9:BF6A:3889:5A42 (talk) 01:01, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Taiwan is part of the Republic of China, not the People’s Republic of China. Massive difference. The CCP has never controlled a single of inch of Taiwan in its entire existence.

Supporting self determination everywhere doesn’t make someone a hypocrite. Ukrainians don’t want to be ruled by Russia and Taiwanese people don’t want to be ruled by the PRC.

Crimea isn’t part of Russia just because Russia is occupying Crimea. International law and recognition overrides Russia’s internal illegal occupation everyday of the week and twice on Sunday. 173.67.182.46 (talk) 20:55, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That's your personal ontology, which we are not required to take on faith. Instead, we present the sum of what our sources say. Remsense ‥ 论 21:30, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I also claim Samoa as part of my personal Fiefdom, but that doesn’t mean it is part of my personal fiefdom.

Every country on earth except Russia and North Korea acknowledge the fact that Crimea is sovereign Ukrainian territory. You do under that, don’t you? 173.67.182.46 (talk) 20:51, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]