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please clarify "The complaint"
The only time "the complaint" appears in the article is here:
- The complaint filed by the U.S. Attorney's Southern District of New York calls the letter "The Feds Letter" because it is addressed "To the Feds." The complaint was unsealed on December 19, 2024.
That needs a lot of clarification to the reader. What complaint? What purpose did it have? Please clarify. Kingturtle = (talk) 23:25, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Involving of Brian Chesky as next [1]--176.5.186.74 (talk) 14:10, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
Timeline
How could suspect leave hostel at 5.34 am on December 4 if he checked out of the hostel on December 3 as stated in the article? 147.219.169.203 (talk) 18:10, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- I dont know why this was hidden. Sounds like a perfectly legitimate error in the article--Trade (talk) 05:02, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
RfC: Ken Klippenstein
Should we:
- Option 1: Use Klippenstein without an additional reliable source
- Option 2: Use Klippenstein with an additional reliable source
- Option 3: Do not use Klippenstein
Personisinsterest (talk) 00:23, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment - What context are we talking about here? Toa Nidhiki05 00:28, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
- If and how we should use Klippenstein as a source. Personisinsterest (talk) 01:17, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
- Klippenstein himself is not a source. Various things that he's written are sources. Whether a source is reliable depends on the content that is sourced to it (see WP:CONTEXTMATTERS). What is the article content in question, and which of Klippenstein's articles is it sourced to? Unless you clarify, this is a Bad RfC and should be withdrawn. FactOrOpinion (talk) 01:28, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
- If and how we should use Klippenstein as a source. Personisinsterest (talk) 01:17, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment (bot-summoned) This request does not contain coherent information that can be commented upon. Please withdraw and rewrite. Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 03:48, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
- Withdraw damn I can’t get it right with RfC’s, can I? Personisinsterest (talk) 04:13, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Personisinsterest: See WP:RFCEND. I have removed the
{{rfc}}
tag for you. If you wish to start another RfC, please see WP:RFCST, and in particular, ensure that WP:RFCBEFORE has been exhausted. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 09:53, 23 January 2025 (UTC) - You could zero in specifically on the Klippenstein content sourced to Democracy Now!, whose RS status is undetermined, and Mediaite, which is "marginally reliable and should be avoided when better sources are available." Regardless of the context, any Rfc discussion will naturally focus on Klippenstein's own reliability, and what quality of sourcing would be required to back up his self-published work (if it's deemed that he isn't RS by himself). Jonathan f1 (talk) 00:44, 28 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Personisinsterest: See WP:RFCEND. I have removed the
"Delay, deny, depose" vs. "deny, defend, depose"
Early police reports stated that bullet casings found at the crime scene had "deny," "defend" and "depose" written on them. However, it later emerged this was a mistake and that "defend" was actually "delay." Despite the correction, a lot of people are still using "deny, defend, depose." Would it be a good idea to add some sort of clarification?
I actually added an explanation of the discrepancy a while ago, but another editor removed it due to "recentism" concerns. However, my understanding is WP:RECENTISM is an essay and not an actual policy or guideline.
As a reader, I would definitely be confused as to why a lot of people are saying "deny, defend, depose" even though the article says it's "delay, deny, depose." Ixfd64 (talk) 23:19, 25 January 2025 (UTC)
- Would it be a good idea to add some sort of clarification? Yes, I think so. Maybe a footnote at the end of the sentence? Some1 (talk) 11:53, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
- It was wrong to remove this citing WP:RECENTISM. People are still coming across sourcing with the incorrect original words, so I have put this back.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 15:16, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
"Handwritten Letter" is under copyright.
This page currently includes the whole of Mangione's alleged letter. Assuming it was in fact written by him, it would be automatically under copyright under U.S. law, as there is no indication he released it under a free license. If it's not real, then it's still under copyright by Klippenstein.
Wikisource had a discussion about this at Wikisource:Copyright discussions/Archives/2024#Luigi Mangione Manifesto, which had unambiguous agreement amongst editors that this is most likely a copyright violation.
Therefore, we probably should not host a copyrightable letter, per Wikipedia:Copyrights. FPTI (talk) 09:49, 30 January 2025 (UTC)
Infobox person
There is a slow edit war with IPs repeatedly adding this. As I said in this edit summary, infobox person is really only for biographical articles where it is the lead infobox. ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 16:53, 10 February 2025 (UTC)