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See WP:NOTNEWS, an article isn't a journal of the week's news. Some editor would have to feel that these demonstrations are key to a general article about the country, and that probably can't be established until a while afterwards so that it can be seen whether, in retrospect, those demonstrations played a prominent role in shaping the face of the country. Largoplazo (talk) 16:58, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Semi-protected edit request on 3 December 2024
Georgia reached its Golden Age during the High Middle Ages under the reigns of King David IV and Queen Tamar.
I doubt that she's called "king" in Georgian. Presumably you mean she's referred to by the word that usually translates to the English word "king". However, this is English Wikipedia and in English a woman who is the monarch of a country is a queen. Largoplazo (talk) 20:54, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Tamar Mepe (თამარ მეფე) is the Georgian name, which is King Tamar. So the IP user is correct. However, calling her Queen Tamar is also correct and the generally used name in English. Labrang (talk) 23:24, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As I said, this is English Wikipedia. The article is in English, not Georgian. I am a native speaker of English, I know it very well, and I can tell you that in English the title of a woman who is the monarch of a country is "queen". Largoplazo (talk) 02:03, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see a reason to change anyways, as the article on Tamar is clear in its opening sentence(s) on the fact that she is (also) called King Tamar via the non-genderized word. So there's really no need to change it here. Labrang (talk) 08:25, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't doubt that in any language "Queen" and "King" have their own strict definitions. But the fact that a woman held so much power during that period is so unique that the monarch was given the title of King and was never referred to as a Queen (which at that time implied lesser power). It is incorrect from the outset to refer to her as a Queen (even in the article about Tamar herself) 91.151.136.145 (talk) 09:53, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That may be the case in Georgian, but the English language has a long history of using Queen to refer to people with power, and calling Tamar a King would directly mislead the vast majority of readers regarding her gender. CMD (talk) 12:11, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Tamar is predominantly a female name in various countries :) (Israel, Netherlands, United States). The reader can read further, it's a shame that a fact is written wrong 91.151.136.145 (talk) 15:01, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"King" is exclusively a masculine title in English-speaking countries, and we shouldn't leave the reader guessing whether the femininity of "Tamar" overrides the obvious masculinity of "king".
It's a fact that in English terminology she was a queen regardless of what Georgians call her in Georgian. It's like insisting that we have to say, despite his being 1.85 cm (6'1") tall, that Nate "Tiny" Archibald was tiny because he was called "Tiny". That he was called "Tiny" is a true fact. That he was tiny is not a true fact. Largoplazo (talk) 17:04, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I believe you've inadvertently argued against yourself: her titled name was King Tamar (when translated), she was a queen, both true facts. In other words King when referring to her name, queen when referring to her role.
No, she wasn’t a queen, neither by name nor by role. She held the role of a king, thereby earning her title. You are all just throwing out nonsense facts to justify something that was wrongly established long ago. 212.58.120.37 (talk) 12:52, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In English, ruling monarchs labeled "king" and "queen" have identical roles. Do you think Elizabeth II had a different role from the one her son Charles III has? She didn't. Do you think she and he differ in the way they "earned" their titles? They don't. So when you say Tamar had the "role" of a king, that's meaningless as a distinction between her role and the role of a queen. The only distinction is that the terms are sex-distinct. Largoplazo (talk) 13:06, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Mikhail Kavelashvili has been elected President of Georgia by the Electoral Collage - however the Georgian Parliamentary elections produced a majority for people who are not liked by the forces who influence Wikipedia. Of course conservatives also sometimes claim that elections are rigged - for example the 2020 United States Presidential election and the last Presidential election in Brazil. So it is a matter of perspective. 2A02:C7C:E1BA:CE00:B0AE:56A2:E9C6:BB70 (talk) 11:04, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's not about "forces who influence Wikipedia" (which, obviously is speculation), it's about official recognition: Mikheil Kavelashvili is recognized only by the few countries, including occupying country and neighbors, which usually stay on recognition for a diplomatic reasons, while Salome Zurabishvili is still recognized by the most of the countries. GioMac (talk) 17:46, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The term of office of Salome Zourabichvili has expired - this person is no longer President of Georgia.
The article lists Salome Zourabichvili as the President of Georgia - the term of office of this lady has expired, this person is no longer President of Georgia. 2A02:C7C:E1BA:CE00:B0AE:56A2:E9C6:BB70 (talk) 09:59, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No. Check what Irakli Kobakhidze said today: reiterating that [Zurabishvili's] term would end on December 29 and she would be replaced “by elected president Mikheil Kavelashvili”.
There seems to be some misunderstanding that since she was inaugurated on 16 December 2018, it should be exactly the six years (until 16 December 2024). That is not the case. The procedure is that transfer of power is when the new president is inaugurated. See also the previous presidents (see for example Giorgi Margvelashvili - he was a month beyond the exact 5 years). They don't get dismissed at exactly the 5 years, with weeks until the inauguration of the new president the speaker of parliament as placeholder. It is a standard procedure she is still the president until the 29th, regardless what one thinks of the election and the legitimacy of Kavelashvili (which is a separate discussion). So, she is still the president, fully legal. Labrang (talk) 13:56, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move reviewafter discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Oppose and recommend speedy closure. Given the history and complexity of debate on this topic, a two-word nomination with zero supporting evidence merits no consideration. ╠╣uw[talk]13:15, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose This has been discussed a lot already, and far better proposals have been rejected. Neither of these proposed article titles is likely to be the topic a reader searches for, and so this seems a nonstarter. John (talk) 13:52, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose; Georgia isn't called the Republic of Georgia. Not anymore, at least. Did I mention Eritrea? Eritrea. This seemed obvious for Georgia at first. But not the Eurasian Georgia, the American one. For a few seconds. But oops. Guess that was the wrong idea. It may be the official name, but something tells me this wi.. hold on why is it "(U.S. state)" and not "(United States)" or "(U.S.A.)"? There's probably some policy I'm missing here with that. Now then, the Georgia that became independent from the Russian Empire, became a protectorate, un-became a protectorate, got occupied by the UK, got invaded and occupied again by another Russia (this time the USSR), and then declared independence again, and then fell into civil war for the next two years, and then had roughly 16% of it's territory rebel and jump ship inside of said civil war, and then that 16% turned into a 20% thanks to an outside power later on in it's life? Yeah, that Georgia. Even more opposed. Within that lifespan, the Republic of Georgia died and was replaced with just Georgia.
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