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Eurovision.tv is moving to Eurovision.com (https://eurovision.tv/story/time-update-your-bookmarks-eurofans). Eurovision.tv will remain up until sometime next week. I don't know how many sources we have that rely on Eurovision.tv at the moment - would have thought somewhere in the thousands. Eurovision.com is nowhere near as fully fleshed out, is missing results for every year, has no lyrics, attributes entries to the wrong country - in short it's fucked. So unless they move the entire site within a week which they won't do I think we are going to have to archive all of Eurovision.tv as it is.

Is there any way to do this? Toffeenix (talk) 08:27, 24 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It seems a lot of links to Eurovision.tv do not have an archive link and will therefore rot, just look at History of the Eurovision Song Contest § References. Updating all of these manually is going to be a pain...

I wonder how script-friendly the Wayback Machine is, maybe it's possible to do this semi-automatically. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 09:34, 24 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If it helps, they've just said on Reddit that detailed voting results, alongside "new profiles, event histories, logos and media" will be available in February. But that's a while with broken sources Toffeenix (talk) 09:35, 24 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

They also just said here that they will be redirecting the old links, but again that it will take some time. This means it won't be that bad if we fail to update some links, but I'd still rather not go three months with broken links on most Eurovision-related articles. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 10:56, 24 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

RIP Eurovision.tv. All the links I've tried redirect to the Eurovision.com homepage.  Andreyyshore 🆃︎ 🅲︎  07:40, 8 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Same for JuniorEurovision.tv minus the voting platform.  Andreyyshore 🆃︎ 🅲︎  06:09, 9 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

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We touched on this topic back in 2024, but never resolved it, and once again we have a bit of an issue; "Nova zora" has been selected, is sung by a Montenegrin artist, written by a Serbian songwriter, for a country that has a majority Serbian speaking population, but Montenegrin as an official language. There is absolutely nothing that would tell us which language this song is in other than just defaulting to the person's ethnicity, which opens a different can of worms, and even then things are not as clear. So I am here to ask a question, should language in tables simply ignore Serbian, Croatian, Bosnian and Montenegrin and default to Serbo-Croatian, with a possible note (kind of like with Zjerm) when we have some confirmation as to which standard is meant to be used?

Participants

Country	Broadcaster	Artist	Song	Language	Songwriter(s)
Albania	RTSH	Shkodra Elektronike	"Zjerm"	Albanian[a]	Lekë Gjeloshi Beatriçe Gjergji Kolë Laca
Montenegro	RTCG	Tamara Živković	"Nova zora" (Нова зора)	Serbo-Croatian[b]	Boris Subotić

I'm all ears for suggestions — IмSтevan ^talk 22:36, 23 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Just wanna add that restarting this conversation popped into my head while I was working on the Montenegro in the Eurovision Song Contest 2026 article, specifically the table of participants in Montesong 2025, due to the fact that the table had 13/15 entries labeled as being in Montenegrin, with Montesong 2025 also having all 16 entries on the article labeled as being in Montenegrin, which is a statistical impossibility, as 43% of Montenegro declares themselves speakers of Serbian, and 34% of Montenegrin. Without having a defining feature to go off, the songwriter might say that the song is in Serbian, the performer might say that it's in Montenegrin (or vice-versa, doesn't matter either way) and nobody would be able to tell either of them that they're wrong. — IмSтevan ^talk 07:17, 26 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

the contest clearly considers these all to be separate languages given the inclusion of all four BCSM languages in that 2016 interval thing. and presumably at some point they'll put out some bit of social media going on about "there's 18 languages this year and here's what they all are". until we get an official confirmation of the contest's stance I guess it's fine to have this, just unsure if it implies some kind of difference between Nova zora and the prior Montenegrin entries (Dobrodošli etc) which fall into the same kind of grey zone Toffeenix (talk) 03:58, 24 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I would support defaulting all BCSM languages in these tables to Serbo-Croatian, with added footnotes only when there is explicit confirmation as to the specific variety. If there is no reliable source one way or the other (which will probably be quite rare anyway) then no footnote should be added. That being said, I do worry that this could open up another can of worms with regards to language "separatists" (if that's the right term) who insist on each variety being listed separately; I'm not saying however that that should be a reason to not make this change, just voicing a potential concern. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 13:38, 24 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Since there is no clear answer and in general these specific languages have a history of disagreements, I'd put this under "material whose verifiability is likely to be challenged" from WP:VERIFY. That would mean we do not list any language at all unless a reliable source identifies it. Recall that we always need to have a source for language and it shouldn't be editor-determined when a source cannot be found. This has come up in the past and impacted WP:GA reviews. Grk1011 (talk) 15:18, 26 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia lists Serbo-Croatian as a language, and the 4 as variants. We can always verify using other sources, which wouldn't be a SYNTH issue. Perhaps we could ask Wikipedia:WikiProject Languages for their thoughts on the topic? — IмSтevan ^talk 13:02, 28 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This is going to be a recurrent issue now that Gaza genocide exists as a Wiki page, so should all references to it with regard to Israel's ESC participation since then wikilinked to that page, Gaza war, or both? Pdhadam (talk) 12:02, 30 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Has this project any subpages that discuss sources deemed (un)reliable? I am specifically wondering about eurovoix, as it keeps coming up in talk pages and I’m not sure how I should treat it when responding. Slomo666 (talk) 18:21, 1 March 2026 (UTC)[reply]

@Slomo666: You can find that here. Grk1011 (talk) 00:26, 2 March 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. Slomo666 (talk) 22:37, 2 March 2026 (UTC)[reply]