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--Lajmmoore (talk 22:46, 31 January 2026 (UTC) via MassMessaging[reply]

Category:Propagandists by the deed has been nominated for renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether it complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Grnrchst (talk) 17:10, 8 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Hey there. I've noticed with some of your recent articles that the context sections you've written are very long. Sometimes the context sections take up the majority of the article's text, while the sections on the actual subject of the article are relatively short. I ended up condensing the context section for Le Travailleur for this reason. I'm now feeling confused by the context section for 33 rue des Vignoles, which spends four long paragraphs giving the whole history of the Spanish anarchist movement, despite Spanish anarchists only receiving a brief passing mention later in the article. How is any of this related to the French CNT's premises? Right now it's unclear and just makes for a confusing article. Just wanted to ask if you could trim down some of these sections; keep the focus of the article on its subject. --Grnrchst (talk) 11:53, 15 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

It's important because it's a cultural center for the memory of the Spanish anarchists and that's why the city of Paris ultimately agreed to stop sending the cops and that's why I stressed it in the page, because this context and this presence of Spanish militants is what helped the CNT keep it after decades of fights. Aristoxène (talk) 12:58, 15 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Otherwise, it's just a random building that can be expelled. Aristoxène (talk) 13:01, 15 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to trim it down, don't hesitate, but at least in the French version I will clearly keep it like this for the time being at least until it's classed as an historical monument. If you check the source by 'Association', you will see that the renovation and agreement by the townhall to not expell the CNT was made in exchange of various things including by the CNT the revalorization and founding of an association made to rehabilitate and honour this memory ; but this source is primary and I only used it for givin the date of alleged end of the works. This was the broad agreement : The anarchists pay for renovations, the townhall too a bit, and in exchange the anarchists do a honey spot for bees and do a cultural association to support the building's legitimacy as a cultural landmark in Paris, in a way. Aristoxène (talk) 13:09, 15 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I must say that even now, the CNT in France is very linked to the Spanish one and Spanish people, I often meet Spanish people in the CNT circles and even more, the 33 rue des Vignoles when I go there it's speaking in Spanish nearly all the times (including me who am able to speak Spanish relatively well). So yes it was hard to source and in fact to repeat because all the media kinda said the same basic info about the spot, that it's linked with the 33 rue des Vignoles, I could say that it was made by Manuel Lozano, for example, but this is not sourced yet by a good secondary source. So I put it in the Spanish project because it's very clear for those reasons and I think clearly the Vignoles spot is a spot where the CNT memory of the Spanish past is very very strong. (even more now with that cultural association but already before) Aristoxène (talk) 13:23, 15 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

This is all well and good, but what I don't understand is why the context section takes up more than half the article to explain the entire history of Spanish anarchism. None of this context helps me understand anything about the space, and I at least have some familiarity with the subject; an uninformed reader will be left even more confused. --Grnrchst (talk) 13:44, 15 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Ok then don't understand it and keep gatekeeping :shrugging: I unfollowed the page (and all the others you overscrutinized in your recent actions) and muted you, you do what you want, whatever Aristoxène (talk) 14:01, 15 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

My intent was only to help improve these articles, not to gatekeep or overscrutinise anything. I have always appreciated the work you've done here and valued you as a colleague, which is part of why I wanted to point out areas in your recent work that I thought could be improved. If you would prefer I not interact with you any more, then I understand and will respect that decision. --Grnrchst (talk) 14:14, 15 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

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--Rosiestep (talk) 09:26, 25 February 2026 (UTC) via MassMessaging[reply]