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The sentence "The Arabic term for Muslim Spain Al Andalus [...]" shold be changed to "The Arabic term for Muslim IBERIA Al Andalus [...]". Portugal was also part of Al Andalus.

Salutations to you. I'm new on Wikipedia and a History student focused on the Vandals. I uploaded the "'[Cross']" to WikiCommons and I suggest it to be used for the Vandals' article's page. The cross clearly appears on many of their sculptures, mosaics and coins. I will later share a source I'm working on, as a History student. And if not to use it, better use the Vandalic Knight of Carthage, it's more emblematic than those jewels. Thanks.

We currently have:

Both Jordanes in his Getica and the Gotlandic Gutasaga tell that the Goths and Vandals migrated from southern Scandinavia[2][3][4]

• 2. "Germanic peoples". Encyclopædia Britannica Online. Encyclopædia Britannica, Inc. Retrieved 8 March 2014.[permanent dead link]
• 3. "History of Europe: Barbarian migrations and invasions: The Germans and Huns". Encyclopædia Britannica Online. Encyclopædia Britannica, Inc. Archived from the original on 2014-07-14. Retrieved 8 March 2014.
• 4. Waldman & Mason 2006, pp. 821–825

Two concerns:

• None of these three sources seems to mention the Getica or Gutasaga. As far I can see, this is not correct, and is original to WP.
• These are old tertiary sources giving general notes, so not strong sources for anything controversial. However, I can not find any OTHER sources which confirm this sentence we have. (Adding together lots and lots of similar tertiary sources does not improve things in such a case.)
• We do know from good sources that there was a tradition in older history writing of accepting the general remark of Jordanes that Scandinavia was a "womb of nations" but we also know that this position, even concerning peoples he specifically named, is no longer taken seriously in any simple way any more.--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 09:19, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Also there is a related sentence in the lead with the same 3 sources.--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 09:21, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I do not think the Vandals are mentioned at all in the Gutasaga. In Jordanes and Paul the Deacon they seem to be first encountered on the mainland. (Meaning Paul the Deacon's Lombard story parallels the older story of Jordanes, as scholars often note.) Again, I post here, hoping that if anyone sees something I am missing, they will mention it.--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 12:27, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with your assessment of Jordanes, in chapter 4 he gives Skadza/ scandinavia as the place of origin for the Goth, who then encountered the Vandals AFTER sailing to the mainland. I believe the issue here might be a mix-up based on similar names: the area the Vandals occupied when first encountering the Goth is given by Jordanes as Gothiscandza, which sounds similar to 'Gothland'/ 'Gothenland' in southern Sweden, but is an entirely different area around the river Vistula. Trekki 200 (talk) 15:50, 13 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I have for now deleted this paragraph:

Around the mid 2nd century AD, there was a significant migration by Germanic tribes of Scandinavian origin (Rugii, Goths, Gepidae, Vandals, Burgundians, and others)[29] towards the south-east, creating turmoil along the entire Roman frontier.[29][30][31][32] The 6th century Byzantine historian Procopius noted that the Goths, Gepidae and Vandals were physically and culturally identical, suggesting a common origin.[33]

Problems:

• As noted above, Guido M. Berndt writes that The idea of a Vandal urheimat in Scandinavia has long been exposed as little more than late nineteenth- and early twentieth-century wishful thinking. [ALSO Castritius: https://books.google.be/books?id=3Ip4DwAAQBAJ&pg=PA167]
• I have not yet found any similarly recent work which still defends this Scandinavian theory.
• None of these old theories claimed that the migration happened in the second century, which is what our paragraph implies in context.
• The sourcing we have been using is clearly worrying, with 1 old tertiary source (Encyclopedia Brittanica) being made to look like 4 sources.
• The second sentence, which superficially is irrelevant, is apparently put there as WP:SYNTH by cherry-picking from an ancient primary source. (Gothic migration from Scandinavia does still have some adherents, and this sentence semi-equates Goths and Vandals. Never mind that Procopius thought the Goths and Vandals came from the east.)

Thus it is possible we will replace the paragraph with another, if we find better sources, but I think it should not look like this paragraph.--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 10:04, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Can I add that Walter Goffart's 2006 book Barbarian Tides is a scholarly examination of the idea of a Scandinavian origin for the Vandals, and Goffart rejects it entirely.Thomas Peardew (talk) 12:37, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Andrew Lancaster: Saxo wrote in Old Norse. But since he used a form Wandali instead of Old Norse Vendill, I guess that Orel concluded that it is a direct borrowing from an East Germanic language (by contrast, OE has Wendel- and OHG has Wentil-). Alcaios (talk) 08:50, 30 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thought he wrote in Latin? I already posted on your talk page, but the simpler concern I have is with the word "attested". Clearly this implies Saxo wrote in East Germanic, because we can only see what he attested, not his sources. So clearly that seems wrong, and it should be easy to weaken the wording a bit? As to speculations about Saxo having access to an East Germanic text that would be a very remarkable claim, so indeed it would be best practice to find clear and strong sourcing for this, which should ideally show how the proposal (if there is one) has been digested by the field. Without that I would propose that we must be cautious about making this a simple statement of fact in "Wikipedia voice". (If the reason for not calling this a proposal is because the proposal is really just implied in your source, not clearly spelled out, then converting into a "fact" would not seem to be the appropriate solution?)--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 09:21, 30 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I now removed this after noting the problems more than a year ago. There presumably are things to be said about medieval mentions (Adam of Bremen? Paul the Deacon?) but that would look quite different to this. The information we have been attributing to medieval sources Jordanes etc here does not appear to come from those sources at all.--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 23:04, 16 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The Vandals were a slavic, not germanic people; as proven by genetics and their slavic names written in their, and their neighbours' enscriptions found from that time 217.149.173.220 (talk) 09:58, 29 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If such claims have been made in reputable published sources, then please give the details. OTOH, the reality is going to be complex. The Vandals were certainly in early Roman listings of "Germanic peoples" (which does not necessarily mean that we can be sure what language they spoke). One Byzantine source (Procopius) mentioned explicitly that they spoke the same language as the Goths. You mention "that time" but the Vandals were not one generation or single group of people. It is possible that different Vandal groups in different periods or places spoke different languages. The early Roman-era Vandals were in an area which was heavily Celt-influenced for example. So please explain which time you mean, and which evidence you are talking about. Normally speaking genes can't tell us what language someone spoke though. --Andrew Lancaster (talk) 13:54, 29 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

it seems he is referring to various archeogenetic blogs written on the subject which have observed Y-Dna haplogroups common to central europe(ie R1A-M458(L1029) in southern europe via Spain and Sardinia i believe. We do not have any samples from actual Vandalic peoples as of yet though 2607:FB91:1E73:925B:F09A:EE17:D985:9450 (talk) 23:51, 23 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

They conquered the far western part of Sicily in 440. The siege of Palermo in 440 was a failure as was the second attempt to invade Sicily near Agrigento in 442 (the Vandals initially occupied the far western part of the island; and the entire island from 468 to 476 when a large part was ceded to Odoacer, and the extreme western part remained in their possession until 491). 151.57.121.9 (talk) 14:48, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

X: The Vandals were a Germanic people who first inhabited what is now southern Poland. Y: The vandals were a Germanic people who had their origins in the southern and southwestern part of Sweden. Who later migrated to Poland. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Vandals_Migration_pt.gif 92.244.206.37 (talk) 21:23, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. PianoDan (talk) 22:55, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Change "who" to "whom" here: Tribes within this category who he mentions 2600:1010:A01F:41FB:D6AC:C1B:BBCD:3ACD (talk) 06:13, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Good day—RetroCosmos ^talk 05:23, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The text reads: N.b.: a. C. = BC («después de Cristo» in Spanish) and d. C. = AD («antes de Cristo» in Spanish). It's clear that the Spanish expansions are transposed. The text should read: N.b.: a. C. = BC («antes de Cristo» in Spanish) and d. C. = AD («después de Cristo» in Spanish). Thanks in advance for fixing. 100.34.64.174 (talk) 05:43, 15 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Punctuation in para 2: Change full stop to a comma at the end of the incomplete sentence beginning with: "Expanding into Dacia during [...]" and link it to the complete sentence following. The corrected version should read: "Expanding into Dacia during the Marcomannic Wars and into Pannonia during the Crisis of the Third Century, the Vandals were confined to Pannonia by the Goths around 330 AD, where they received permission to settle from Constantine the Great." ~2025-36956-62 (talk) 04:43, 28 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Day Creature (talk) 15:42, 28 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

the first map of user Slovensk Volk is wrong.

Przeworsk is not slavic or proto slavic. wiki says it is Proto germanic etc. ~2025-37013-94 (talk) 08:04, 28 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Vandal (disambiguation) which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 22:15, 3 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]