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Nominator: V.B.Speranza (talk · contribs) 17:59, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: LastJabberwocky (talk · contribs) 08:58, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I will try to rescue you from GA nomination purgatory. —LastJabberwocky (Rrarr) 08:58, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @LastJabberwocky, thank you so much for taking this nomination! I’ve fixed the bolded phrases, and all the red links point to articles I’m planning to create. There used to be many more, but I’ve been gradually working through them. As for the sources you mentioned, the first is by a well-known historian from the city, and the second includes a video catalogue featuring interviews with members of the Committee, which clarify many of the points discussed, hence the use. I’ve also corrected the caption you referred to and added sources where you noted there were none.

Im here if you need me for anything else, V.B.Speranza (talk) 23:27, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@V.B.Speranza: Good day, I was also thinking whether the Nicolinas Committee link is warranted. It already detailed on the Nicolinas and of there are any further things you want add about the committee, I think you can add them to the Nicolinas. —LastJabberwocky (Rrarr) 14:37, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

V.B.Speranza, hi! Can we make another push on this weekends. If too overwhelmed by IRL stuff (I sure am :)), I can close the review to remove pressure of a vgaue deadline, and you will be able to make changes at your pace and then renominate it. I have Nicolinas on my watchlist, so can join potential discussions on the talk page. —LastJabberwocky (Rrarr) 06:03, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@LastJabberwocky I believe that the prose issues were answered, apart from those I don’t really agree on. Red links will be eventually created by me, so I don’t think we should worry about that. I don’t know how to do the PDF issue, but those who are archived please don’t change it to the default one, for that only shows the first page of the PDF. I don’t think renomination is necessary, I’ll do the things you ask me to. V.B.Speranza (talk) 20:37, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't mean to spook you; for me review closure isn't a fail and something terrible, but just a way to say it needs more work beyond reviewer's/current level of energy. I'll double check every suggestion without the  Done mark and see what is our next step. Good morning! —LastJabberwocky (Rrarr) 05:51, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It isn't necessary to adhere to every suggestion made, but you need to address them/respond with your opinion on my suggestion, so we can move this review forward. —LastJabberwocky (Rrarr) 14:41, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I thin it's better to give this project a break. I nominated the article for copy-edit through WP:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors, so it's possible the copy-editor will improve the article enough for an automatic GA promotion. Good day! —LastJabberwocky (Rrarr) 17:18, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• There are many bolded phrases. Most of them are unnecessary and distracting; the only justified boldface case I see is the bolded "Nicolinas" in the lead (per MOS:BOLD).  Done
• There are a number of red links. Are they justified? Can we make good wiki articles out all of them? Should we link them to Portuguese wiki using Template:ill? (Per MOS:REDLINK).

• These two sentences lack inline citation to be verifiable: he most iconic one being the House of the Santoalhas. and It consists on a text being declaimed by a high-school student, called the Pregoeiro, in various spots throughout the city center.  Done
• There are two blog sources: Y
  • araduca.blogspot.com seems to be reliable, and they are written by Antonio Amaro of Neves who seems to be reputable.
  • acfn-festasnicolinas.blogspot.com, however, I don't see why it's reliable. Is official coverage by the organizer?

• Some of the references in the "Bibliography" aren't formatted into Template:Cite book.  Done
  • I formatted them, but I don't guarantee I got the contents of them right.
• There is one link that doesn't work for me ([2]; does it work for? If not you should archive it. Pending
• You should clarify the link for the word "gala".  Done
• This source seems to be a reblog of this official source; I think it's better to use the second source directly. Pending
• I'm not sure this source is reliable. Pending
• Not all Portuguese titles are translated into English and marked with "lang=pt".  Done
• this link and other similar PDF links aren't formatted. Pending

• All images have rationale and are categorized. Y
• The image with this caption, The 2024 Nicolinas Festivities Committee..., is awkwardly placed I think. Pending

Copyright violations are at 1% max. All good Y

The cult of Saint Nicholas in Guimarães in the 17th century can be traced from buildings such as a chapel dedicated to the Saint which was established in 1663, and from statutory documents, including the statutes for the Brotherhood of Saint Nicholas which were created in 1691, even though academic celebrations related to the Saint in Guimarães can be traced to at least 1645. → The cult of Saint Nicholas in Guimarães traces back to 17th century, reflected in such buildings as Chapel of Saint Nicholas, which was established in 1663.

However, these celebrations appear to predate this period, and historians place the true beginning of the Nicolinas around the 14th and 15th centuries, when the European cult of Saint Nicholas arrived to the city. → However, these celebrations appear to predate the construction of the chapel; historians place the roots of the Nicolinas around the time when the European cult of Saint Nicholas arrived in the city (c. 14–15 centuries).

During the 19th century, the festivities were celebrated less frequently and at irregular intervals Can you explain the difference between less frequent celebrations and celebrations set at irregular intervals?

Rather than just a day of celebration on 6 December, they were extended. I think you should clarify this sentence; it doesn't seem to be connected to the previous sentences but can be merged with the third paragraph.

Originally called the St Nicholas Festivities.... I think this sentence can be put as the first sentence of the third paragraph.

All of this are Pending/addressed —LastJabberwocky (Rrarr) 14:41, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• "Toural Fountain" is red-linked. I think it can be redirected to the Toural and detailed there, if they not a lot of sources covering this fountain.
• As a result, the location for raising and burying the pine was some times before finally settling at its current site, near the Santos Passos Church. I think this sentence is missing something.
• Participants are no longer just students, as people of all ages from Guimarães, nearby towns or from the rest of the country now join in. The previous text doesn't say that only students could participate. Only students are elected into the committee. Pending
• The Posses (possessions), where the students of Guimarães gather... Is "possessions" an English translation of the Portuguese word "Possess"? If so, I think you should wrap the word "possessions" into Template:langx. Pending
• following a route that passes the houses where there is an agreed "stop" Are they specific houses? How and when they agree where the stopping point would be? I think we should add more details if they are interesting.  Done
• people socialize into the night Isn't phrased in an encyclopedic style  Done
• with regular sharing of goods between students and the population. I don't think it directly connects to the first half of the sentence; also it seems to repeat the fact that participants give out food, which is already mention at the start of the section.  Done
• When the boys arrive at the Santiago Square, always packed with people that want to watch, and where the girls are waiting patiently, filling the various balconies throughout the square, the magical part begins. Isn't phrased in an encyclopedic style  Done
  • Also this phrase they will then lift vigorously....  Done
• originated in the 17th century as a way for students to get donations for various student festivities. They were vital to gain enough funds to build the sacred Chapel of Saint Nicholas. → originated in the 17th century as a way for students to get donations, which earn them enough money to funds the construction of Chapel of Saint Nicholas.
• It was only in 1954 that a group of old Nicolinos revived the tradition of the dances. [....] the dances were still performed separately by some student groups, but nothing with any official connotation. I think these two sentences can be merged.
• Some awards and prizes are awarded during.... Do we know what kind of awards? We can mention them in a note (Template:Refn).
• It can be considered as an older example of the current North American prom. Is it relevant to Nicolinas in particular. I think the ball in general can be interpreted as North American prom.

As I see it the ribbons of the Maçãzinhas aren't featured in the rest of the festivities, and "Maçãzinhas" already details some of the preparations the festivity, so we can merge the paragraph about ribbons of the Maçãzinhas with "Magazines" section. Pending

Several sources spell Nicolinas as "Nicolinos". Is it a viable spelling. If so, I think we should add a note into the the lead saying that one these spellings is more popular, but this, this, and this source use another spelling. —LastJabberwocky (Rrarr) 10:28, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Nicolinos are the name given to the participants in the festivities. Nicolinas are the name given to the festivities as a whole. V.B.Speranza (talk) 16:17, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Bibliography section has some unused sources. Can we use them? —LastJabberwocky (Rrarr) 10:28, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]