Talk:History of the Grand Canyon area
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I filled in Cohonina, but I don't know if there is an infobox for them. S.G.(GH) ping! 09:25, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
Red link at Havasu Village?
I'm surprised that there is no article on Havasu Village; I believe there is abundant information about it (for example, IIRC it was the subject of a National Geographic article), & Rambot was quite exhaustive in creating articles on every inhabited place in the US back in the day. Doing a little digging, I did find Supai, Arizona which appears to be another name for this settlement. Are they identical, or are they two different settlements mainly inhabited by Native Americans? -- llywrch (talk) 05:14, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
- Same thing. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 14:55, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
Featured article review
This article is currently the oldest FA promotion listed at Wikipedia:Unreviewed featured articles and might be due for a review. I note that there is a recently introduced section tagged for citation and there are other statements, using potential weasel words or quoting statistics, that should preferably be cited. These are:
- "The Havasupai and Hualapai are descended from the Cerbat and still live in the immediate area. The village of Supai in the western part of the current park has been occupied for centuries."
- "The group was led by Hopi guides and, assuming they took the most likely route, must have reached the canyon at the South Rim, probably between today's Desert View and Moran Point."
- "His report of an impassable barrier forestalled further visitation to the area for two hundred years."
- "although there is little supporting documentation."
- "that group successfully ran most of the canyon"
- "Both the Powell and Dutton expeditions helped to increase interest in the canyon and surrounding region"
- "Competition with the automobile forced the Santa Fe Railroad to cease operation of the Grand Canyon Railway in 1968 (only three passengers were on the last run). The railway was restored and service reintroduced in 1989, and it has since carried hundreds of passengers a day. Trains remained the preferred way to travel to the canyon until they were surpassed by the auto in the 1930s. By the early 1990s more than a million automobiles per year visited the park."
- "only to sell it nine years later in order to start a long career as a Grand Canyon guide"
- "The tourist flights over the canyon have also created a noise problem, so the number of flights over the park has been restricted."
Does anyone have potential sources? Or should some of this material be cut? DrKay (talk) 20:04, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
The Separation Affair
Hi All, Say, this para needs work:
Tired of being constantly cold, wet and hungry and not knowing they had already passed the worst rapids, three of Powell's men climbed out of the canyon in what is now called Separation Canyon.[18] Once out of the canyon, all three were reportedly killed by Shivwits band Paiutes who thought they were miners that recently molested and killed a female Shivwit.[18] All those who stayed with Powell survived and that group successfully ran most of the canyon.
- The first sentence states “Tired of being constantly cold, wet and hungry and not knowing they had already passed the worst rapids, three of Powell's men climbed out of the canyon in what is now called Separation Canyon.[18]
Yes, everyone was wet and hungry, but cold? The water temps were in the 70’s and the daytime air temps in the 100’s. There had been issues on the trip between the Major, his brother, and some of the crewmembers. The group as a whole didn’t know if hiking out or traveling on by boat was the appropriate action. The group split amicably, wishing each other well. (See Marston Ref)
Before the filling of the reservoir behind today’s Hoover Dam, the worst rapid on the river was Lava Cliff at the mouth of Spencer Canyon, downstream of Separation Rapid. Bradley noted the rapid at Separation was the worst they had seen yet, and he hadn’t seen Lava Cliff yet. (See Marston Ref)
The second sentence doesn’t match with John Wesley Powell which notes “Frank Goodman quit after the first month, and Dunn and the Howland brothers left at Separation Canyon in the third month. This was just two days before the group reached the mouth of the Virgin River on August 30, after traversing almost 930 mi (1,500 km). The three disappeared; some historians have speculated they were killed by the Shivwits Band of Paiutes or by Mormons in the town of Toquerville.[14]: 131–2 [15][16][17]”
The third sentence doesn’t recognize those who stayed with Powell survived and that group successfully ran ALL of the canyon. With this in mind, I offer the following:
On August 27, 1869, the men, wet, hungry, and dealing with contention among the trip members, came upon a rapid worse than any they had yet seen. The group didn’t know if hiking out or traveling on by boat was the appropriate action. The next day they split amicably into two groups with William Dunn, Oramel and Seneca Howland heading on foot up a side canyon now called Separation Canyon.[18] The three men were never seen again while Powell and the others stayed on the river and exited Grand Canyon two days later.[1]
Your thoughts are appreciated!
July 8, 20205. Updated text and citations. RRFWTommartin (talk) 18:19, 8 July 2025 (UTC)


