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I am pretty sure this movie is just an excuse to reuse the Death Race sets from 2 years prior. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.38.51.98 (talk) 00:17, 11 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

... and the cars. Drsruli (talk) 04:02, 23 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The deletion tag was added and said that the page was about a person, organization (band, club, company, etc.) or web content. This is nonsense, the article is about a film. The article also contains many reliable references, and there are many more references available on the internet if people wish to expand the page furhter. The film has also finished filming and is in post production, meaning that it fits Wikipedia's critera that for a film article to be created it must at least have begun filming. Therefore the film deserves its own article. I see no reason why it should not be deleted. The Editor 155 (talk) 08:40, 27 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Speaking of deletion, there used to be a section that contained what cars were used and what modifications and weapons they had and who drove them. What happened to that? NeoRewerts (talk) 22:34, 27 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

When was the movie actually released? --Boycool (talk) 20:34, 27 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It's a direct to DVD movie, it's release date is the day the movie goes on sale. Uksam88 (talk) 18:46, 28 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

...Which, according to this article, is in three weeks. --Boycool (talk) 19:00, 28 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Does the plot really end with him checking up on Katrina? Is there really no Death Race in Death Race 2? --Boycool (talk) 12:03, 4 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Is Markus Kane nammed after the recurring Marcus Kane character from Twisted Metal?

1. Filmed entirely on location in South Africa. 2. Production companies from the US, South Africa and Romania. 3. WTF is with Australia? This is not Mad Max.

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@AdamDeanHall: Please do not include the working title in the lead in parentheticals. A vast majority of reliable sources don't actually consider this to be an official alternate title, not even the studio, therefore it should not be accorded due weight. Titles, official or otherwise, should comply with WP:WEIGHT and reflect what is specified by a majority of mainstream reliable sources. Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 14:43, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Moved from user talk:czar

Hi, do you mind giving your thoughts on Death Race 2#Reception on this article's talk for a moment? I'm nominating the article for GA, and it appears you feel strongly about this particular section being well written, in accordance with the essay on the matter. So, I thought I'd ask you whether the prose needed some work to meet criteria 1a and 3a. Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 10:35, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

Sure, here are some notes:

• Great that there is a singular source (Moviehole) offering summative thoughts of the Reception to cite but is Moviehole.net reliable? I would think not, since it describes itself as "a film blog created for film fans by film fans ... We do not receive financial remuneration for our work here, we write purely for fun and the joy of informing others". Best off striking it.
  • Right, but for what it's worth, it has been used by relatively high-quality sources as a secondary source before, rumor or otherwise; for example:
    • Total Film (now hosted by GamesRadar+): [1], [2], [3], [4], [5]
    • IGN: [6], [7], [8], [9], [10]
    • Film Threat: [11], [12]
    • /Film: [13]

  I was able to find the moviehole source through Total Film: https://www.gamesradar.com/death-race-3-is-gearing-up/

  Being used by other sources is a start but it doesn't confer reliability. It's still an amateur film blog without editorial standing. If a reliable source made those Moviehole conclusions in their own voice or with attribution, that would be those sources staking their own editorial credibility. Several of those Moviehole mentions are about rumors, which we would stay far away from in any publication. czar 23:19, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @Czar: And the fact the article's author is Alicia Malone? Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 15:12, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  What about it? She's written on film but I don't think this is a case of an expert self-published source, as she's choosing to write in a film blog rather than a reputable source. And their bar for posting is low. czar 16:33, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• I can't find the thread holding together the first paragraph. Is it about overall takeaways? If it was about overall highlights, it could cover (1) highlights—what was the best about it? what were its best moments? (2) comparison to earlier and later works

• Half of the reviews therein is admittedly a takeaway; the Winniped Free Press and Arrow in the Head source, for instance

• Overall, there's way too much quoting to follow what's happening. It'd be so much easier to just say that XYZ reviewers praised its action scenes for A, B, C qualities. I'm not sure what to take away from the action scenes being "solid" or that the movie "is no Death Race". Think about what a general reader would need to take away from this section.
• I think the second paragraph is closer—I can edit it after a few clarifications:
• Screen Daily and IGN complimented the casting what about?

• Well, Screen Daily says the movie is "well cast" and IGN called the cast "pretty terrific".

• note that Jason Statham is referenced earlier in the article without introduction to readers—anything the reader needs as Background should be presented within the same article
• Total Film conceded not sure this verb fits; MOS:SAID
• Total Film conceded that he exuded "a skin-crawling, Walken-esque screen presence" while carrying the film "through its more face-palm moments and its videogame cut-scene narrative" what is a reader meant to do with this? alt: Goss's unsettling performance, wrote Reviewer, carried the film through its campy/droll/cring-inducing/awkwardly comedic moments. i.e., give the reader something that helps them understand the POV rather than pulling the box quotes

I think that's a good place to start. There's a lot of good stuff here but I think it can be organized better for the reader. czar 18:12, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• @Czar: I really appreciate your input. Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 06:10, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Passed. Ivey (talk - contribs) 13:17, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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This review is transcluded from Talk:Death Race 2/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk · contribs) 07:28, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: Ivey (talk · contribs) 23:04, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• I will be taking part in this review as an experienced editor for the Wikipedia:Good articles/GAN Backlog Drives/May 2025. I'm excited to work alongside Ivey, I have outlined my process with GAN reviews at User:IntentionallyDense/October 2024 GAN backlog drive if you are curious. If you (or the nominator) have any questions at all feel free to reach out on my talk page or ping me here. Cheers! IntentionallyDense ^(Contribs) 16:27, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Thanks! I'll take a look at your process notes now.

  I went through all of the criteria, and all seem to be in line. It seems to me that this article has been through a long edit process already, so I didn't find any actionable things. Looking forward to seeing what you think. Ivey (talk - contribs) 18:01, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Nothing is jumping out at me as an issue with the article. To show that you have properly assessed all the criteria maybe do something along the lines of this but with a bit more detail. Basically go through each criteria and state clearly how it meets the criteria. For example, with 1a: "The prose is understandable to a broad audience and there are no grammar issues". Please ping me here once you have done that and before you pass the article so I can make sure there is enough detail. Cheers! IntentionallyDense ^(Contribs) 16:02, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The first thing I checked was 1a: this article is well-written, and has clearly had a lot of work put in on the editing front.

Next I ran through copyvio and looked at the references. The sections flagged by copyvio as verbatim are direct quotes, and are well-sourced. MOS for references looks good, and the article does not appear to contain original research. It is broad and covers the film well, without going into unnecessary details.

The article follows MOS for layout, lede, and other sections.

The article is stable and shows no evidence of edit wars or conflict.

The article is written from a neutral POV.

I checked all the images and confirmed the two that aren't free-use have good explanations for their use.

I intend to pass the article based on this review. @IntentionallyDense for confirmation before I do so. (and thanks for your help) Ivey (talk - contribs) 14:46, 11 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This looks like an appropriate summary of your work as a reviewer. I think it would be safe to pass this article. Great work! IntentionallyDense ^(Contribs) 03:43, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
It is reasonably well written. a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): It is factually accurate and verifiable, as shown by a source spot-check. a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism): It is broad in its coverage. a (major aspects): b (focused): It follows the neutral point of view policy. Fair representation without bias: It is stable. No edit wars, etc.: It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate. a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall: Pass/Fail:
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I don't think the lead and the reception section are accurately representing things when they say this movie got "generally positive" reviews and give an overall positive picture of its reception. There is a source saying so, but there were some concerns brought up about this source during GA review that IMO were valid and weren't really addressed. Furthermore, all other evidence seems to indicate otherwise. Admittedly a small sample size, but 5/6 Rotten Tomatoes reviews are negative. And even just looking at the reviews we use in this article, I would categorize them as:

Positive:

• Salon.com
• Heavy (website)
• Screen Daily
• Den of Geek
• Joblo
• Cinematical
• Horror News

Negative:

• Total Film
• DVD Verdict
• AV Club
• Exclaim!
• ComingSoon.net
• Winnipeg Free Press
• The Record (North Jersey)

Mixed At Best:

• IGN ("There's not a whole lot to love about Death Race 2, but it's not an awful movie, either")
• Dread Central ("It’s not perfect, but maybe … just maybe … it can act as a good precursor to the Death Race film we all really want to see")
• DVD Talk ("How did Frankenstein come to be? Who really cares, but at least "Death Race 2" provides a few clenched-fist jolts before reaching its meaningless conclusion.")
• Fearnet ("It's disposable, forgettable, and silly -- but Death Race 2 is also quite a bit better than what normally passes for a "DTV sequel."")
• Daily Mirror ("Death Race 2 sure isn't likely to be mistaken for classic action fare, but delivers enough fun for undemanding blokes returning from the pub, preferably in a state of advanced inebriation")

I don't see how this adds up to "generally positive." Note also that two of the positive reviews come from redlinked outlets, one of which had its article PRODed. I think "mixed" or even "mixed to negative" is more appropriate for the lead. And some rebalancing of the Reception section to reflect that. Pinging User:Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (main contributor / GA nominator), User:Czar (who brought up this issue during GA review), and User:Gatoclass and User:Black Kite (who were involved in a related discussion in DYK/ERRORS. -Elmer Clark (talk) 19:44, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Elmer Clark: You guys do whatever the hell you want with the article. It's been exactly a year since the first nomination was rejected and quite frankly I'm tired and burnt out of this process and Wikipedia as a whole. Ciao. Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 19:50, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry to hear that response, I didn't mean to be discouraging. I wasn't involved in any of the previous DYK or GA discussions and have no insight into those beyond what I've just read on this talk page, so apologies if I've inadvertantly struck a nerve. As the most-invested person in this article, I'd imagine you want to see it accurately reflect a major factor like this (how the movie was received), and you're also probably the best-positioned person to judge whether I'm reading the review situation correctly. You're more than welcome to disagree, and if I'm rehashing something that's already been explicitly discussed elsewhere, please point me there. I'd urge you to reconsider! -Elmer Clark (talk) 19:54, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'd also add that an explicit goal of getting your article featured on the main page is to get more eyes on it to identify potential issues and improve them. So even if I'm right, this isn't you doing anything wrong, it's just the process working like it's supposed to and leading to a better article in the end. -Elmer Clark (talk) 20:01, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]