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18 May 2022

Suspected sockpuppets

Significant overlap in organized crime/India related topics with the sock re-inserting or restoring the edits the of the master when the latter was reverted by different users.

The edit summaries with the exact same personal attacks to boot (1, 2). duck Looks like a duck to me.. Gotitbro (talk) 20:35, 18 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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03 August 2022

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The editor EditingBot00 was blocked on 28th of July of this after making a single edit to the United Nations (gang) article about a gang based in the Lower Mainland of British Columbia, so there is one edit compare [1]. Please note the edit summary "Removed unsourcable content". The editor HondurasToFlorida showed up two days later on 30 July of this year. This editor also edits Canadian crime related articles and uses precisely the same edit summary ""Removed unsourcable content". Please see here [2] and [3]. I think there is a very good case these are the same people, and I rather suspect that running checkuser will confirm it. If at all possible, could someone please run checkuser and thank you in advance.
The editor PickNroll999 mostly edits the same topic range of Canadian crime-related topic. There is a certain similarity with the editing style and editing summaries, most notably both editors talk about good "references" when deleting content. Compare this edit by PickNroll1999 [4] with the edit summary "spelling and grammar checks + valid references added" with this edit by HondarasToFlordia on the same article [5] with edit summary "reverted back to version which is cited with multiple credible sources not a single reference with no primary sources". Note also that neither editors can be bothered with capitalization. And the revert done by HondarasToFlorida is essentially back to the version of the article done by PckNroll999. Furthermore, compare these edits by by PickNroll1999 [6] "Addition of well referenced group" , [7] "lists corrected alphabetically", [8] "details and references added" [9] "verified reference added" with these edits by HondarasToFlorida [10] "sources added", [11] "reverted content which was located in sources" and [12] "source was added". These editors sound very similar. Again, it may be profitable to run checkuser against PrickNroll1999.
The editor Jcooks77 mostly edits Canadian crime related articles and like HondurasToFlorida and PickNroll1999 often does not bother much with capitalization. There edits and edit summaries sound very similar to the two editors listed above. Compare these edits with their edit summaries: [13] "removal of Latin Kings gang which is not sourced and for which sources cannot be found on the internet, middle east is part of Asia and section was moved accordingly", [14] "small edits & removing unsourced info", [15] "removal of uncited addition" and [16] "lists made alphabetical", and [17] "Additional publicly sourced data added", and [18] "verified reference added". It sounds like the same person as the two editors listed above, and again if possible, could checkuser be run against this editor.
Thank you for all your help, time and patience. Best wishes! A.S. Brown (talk) 08:43, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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11 August 2022

Suspected sockpuppets

Pro forma. GeneralNotability (talk) 20:28, 11 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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03 March 2023

Suspected sockpuppets

Pro forma. Checked and blocked at WP:Sockpuppet investigations/Prince Of Roblox. Spicy (talk) 22:55, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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29 May 2023

Suspected sockpuppets

Same ethnic (Punjabi) POVPUSH as the master and previous socks. Asking for CU to further confirm and check for other socks. Gotitbro (talk) 10:07, 29 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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8 May 2023

Suspected sockpuppets

This IP 199.7.157.89 was blocked on 25 April of this year as a sockpuppet for Entuziazm. This IP has shown an interest in western Canada crime articles such as the United Nations gang and the Independent Soldiers. One of the noteable traits of this IP is make edit summaries from a cell phone such as "Added sources" [19], "Removed unsourced info and added source" [20] and along personal attacks on myself such as "Neither Langton nor Totten which AS Brown hangs onto dear life for are experts in British Columbia let alone gangs, removed all info which conflicts with Kim Bolan and Vancouver Sun" [21]. A week later on 27 April of this year, a new editor, Thewatcher007, appeared and edited the Independent Soldiers article in the same style, again using a cell phone. Compare these edits by Thewatcher007 "Musitanos worked with Deo, grow some brain cells AS brown or learn to read the books your “sourcing”" [22], " Removed info not found in source" [23] and "Removed cap" [24].

It is rather odd that an IP will edit an article, insult another editor in his edit summary, and six days later, a new editor will show up on the same article to again insult the same editor in his edit summaries. The similarity in editing style and articles makes for a strong case that this IP and Thewatcher007 are the same, and since this IP has been established as a sockpuppet for Entuziazm it stands to reason Thewatcher007 is a sockpuppet for Entuziam, who has a history of block evasion. This editor Thewatcher007 and this 199.7.157.89 have a habit of changing content from what the sources actually say-all the while claiming otherwise-which is precisely the same behavior displayed by Entuziazm as anyone who is willing to read the case history will notice. Likewise, Entuziam has a similar aggressive style of editing and insulting other editors such as this edit summary "I didn't know you had autism and I felt bad. Listen, I don't wanna get on your bad side, alright? I just simply want her to be seen as American and nothing else" [25], this edit summary "She is not Polish, ethnically speaking. No way can someone be that retarded and such a pedałem" [26] and this edit summary "We just had a conversation! What the fuck is wrong with you?" [27]. Finally this IP 208.98.222.94 has been editing the United Nations gang article. This IP is from the Toronto area (the same hometown as 199.7.157.89 ) and again edits from a cell phone. The edit summaries such as "Added detail from source" [28] and "Clayton Rouche is incarcerated for having drugs transported THROUGH the United States as listed references state, no references indicate there is any UN gang territory in the USA" [29] sound very similar to the IP 199.7.157.89 and Entuziam. Thank you for your time and patience. --A.S. Brown (talk) 05:47, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Just to add to the case. It may be interesting to look at this edit [30] by the IP 199.119.232.216, which again edits from Toronto on a cell phone. This IP wrote: "Some dude by the name of A.S. Brown is attacking me after falsely claiming that my account is a sockpuppet account. I have no doubt to believe that this guy is definitely Entuziazm sockpuppeting and I really hope you can ban this guy off the platform for being so rude. Thanks". As anyone familiar with this case will arrest, I never accused that IP of being a sockpuppet for Entuziazm, which makes this edit rather odd. I do not know if this is the place for this or not, but this claim by the IP that I am a sockpuppet for Entuziazm without providing any evidence would seem to contravene the policy of making accusations of sock-puppetry without evidence. I believe that this does constitute a personal attack. Unless of course, this IP is the same person as the other IPs and Entuziazm. One may also note that this IP was editing the article on the T-34 tank, which follows closely the interests of Entuziazm. The IP 199.7.157.125 is again a cell phone account from Toronto whose edits to the Independent Soldiers article on 21 January of this year are very similiar to the edits by TheWatcher007 and the IP 199.7.157.89 as seen here [31], [32], [33], and [34]. Without getting technical, this IP changed quite a lot of content in a manner that seemed designed to glorify the Independent Soldiers such as changing the description of the gang from being of mid importance in the Vancouver underworld (which is what the source says) to being of high importance (which the source does not say at all). On 21 January of this year, the IP 199.7.157.125 (which like the IP 199.7.157.89 is a mobile phone account based in Toronto) edited the Independent Soldiers article in the same manner as TheWatcher007 and the IP 199.7.157.89, altering the article in a manner not supported the sources cited and appears to be fan-based, see here: [35], [36], and [37]. Again, this IP changed the source to say the Independent Soldiers were a "high-level" gang and changed the last sentence in the paragraph in the almost the same manner as TheWatcher007, see here [38] compared to this edit by TheWatcher007 [39]. This IP 199.7.157.125 has been identified as a sock puppet for Entuziam and the way that TheWatcher007 made precisely the same edit in April that IP made in January would strongly suggest there are one and the same. The IP 199.7.157.125 has a interest of editing Russia and Ukraine related articles, which is rather similar to Entuziazm's interests. Finally, this IP 199.7.157.125 was blocked on 25 April of this year as a sockpuppet for Entuziam. Thank you again for your time and patience. --A.S. Brown (talk) 05:54, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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20 May 2023

Suspected sockpuppets

Just five days after Thewatcher007 was blocked, on 15 May of this month, Thatboytweaking appeared. So far, this editor has made only edit [40]. This edit summary "Majority of the details added by user “A.S Brown” are no where to be found in the listed references. Further, the books by Totten and Langton lack any references at all of their own regarding details which are actually found in the listed books" sounds very similar to this edit [41] along with the summary "Neither Langton nor Totten which AS Brown hangs onto dear life for are experts in British Columbia let alone gangs, removed all info which conflicts with Kim Bolan and Vancouver Sun" by this IP 199.7.157.89, who has been blocked as a sock puppet for Entuziazm. Both editors claimed to avoiding misrepresentation of sources (which actually engaged in the same behavior that they have accused me of), both disparage Langton and Totten as source while retaining them as references, and both making insulting claims about the same editor. Likewise, Thatboytweaking has edited via a cell phone, just like the IPs and Thewatcher007. One may also compare this edit summary by TheWatcher007 [42] with the edit summary "Musitanos worked with Deo, grow some brain cells AS brown or learn to read the books your “sourcing”". Note the way that TheWatcher007 puts sourcing into quotation marks with the implication that the sources being used are not valid. Likewise, hatboytweaking wrote that "user “A.S Brown”" with the implication I suppose this account is not what it seems. One may also note that the IP 99.119.232.216 (which is a cell phone account based in Toronto) make this edit [43] with the claim made with no evidence that I am a sock puppet for Entuziazm.

Likewise, the edits made by Thatboytweaking are precisely the same edits as made by the IP 199.7.157.125 here: [44], [45], [46], [47], and [48]. The 199.7.157.125 has likewise been blocked as a sock puppet for Entuziam. This IP 199.7.157.125 has a long history of troublesome behavior going back to June of 2016, just much like Entuziam. And finally the blocked sock puppet Thewatcher007 made these edits which are precisely the same edits as Thatboytweaking, see here: [49], [50], [51], [52], [53], and [54]. It is extremely unlikely that different editors would make the same edits to the same article. The edits made by the IP 199.7.157.125 on 27 January of this year are precisely the same edits made by 199.7.157.89 on 20th April, by Thewatcher007 on 27th of April, and by Thatboytweaking on 15 May. As an example, both TheWatcher007 and Thatboytwerking have inserted the precisely the same sentence. Compare this edit by Thatboytwerking [55] and this edit by TheWatcher007 [56] where both wrote: "The leader of the Independent Soldiers, Parminder Singh "Peter" Adiwal was shot several times and badly wounded in an attack by two members of a rival gang in April 2009 that left him astonishing doctors with his speedy recovery while slightly effecting his vision". This seems to be a prima facie case of sock puppetry. Finally, it is also extremely unlikely that the IP 199.7.157.89 would make an insulting edit summary about an editor on 20 April, that the Thewatcher007 would likewise make an insulting edit summary about the same editor on 27 April and Thatboytweaking would also make an insulting edit summary about the same editor on 15 May. Thank you for your time and patience. --A.S. Brown (talk) 05:44, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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19 June 2023

Suspected sockpuppets

Kelownatopdog has been a prolific block evader ever since he was blocked in May of last year. This editor usually edits India-related, crime-related and especially Indo-Canadian related crime topics. One of the marked tendencies of Kelownatopdog is to leave edit summaries that phrased in an elliptical way that usually question the work of other editors. Watchthislilsuz wrote this edit summary on the Bindy Johal article [57] "Details untraceable in sources removed"; this edit to the article List of gangs in Canada [58] "alphabetically categorized indo" and this edit to Indo-Canadian organized crime [59] "Unsourced info removed and details corrected". Compare these edits with these edits by Jcooks77 (a sock puppet of Kelownatopdog [60] with the edit "summary lists made alphabetical" and [61] with the edit summary "Additional publicly sourced data added". And these edits by another of Kelwnatopdog's sock puppets HondurasToFlorida [62] with the edit summary "reverted content which was located in sources" and this edit [63] with the edit summary "removed unsourceable content". It sounds very much like the same person, and given the choice of articles which Kelownatopdog has edited in the past, it seems a checkuser on =Watchthislilsuzy should be run. Thank you for your time. --A.S. Brown (talk) 02:22, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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22 July 2023

Suspected sockpuppets

Confirmed by CU, pro-forma filing. RoySmith (talk) 13:22, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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11 August 2023

Suspected sockpuppets

Kelownatopdog has been a prolific sock puppet who has edited the article United Nations (gang) a number of times. Wikipedia is not the place for holding grunges, but anyone familiar with the history of Kelownatopdog's socking will know that this editor has an immense, raging hatred for me as seen in these very insulting edit summaries [64] and [65]. I for my part cannot be bothered to give this very petty person a moment of my time other than when I'm forced to file these reports. The only reason why I'm bringing this up here is this editor is trying to impersonate me. As anyone familiar with Kelownatopdog's history will know, he is a very petty person and impersonating me is precisely the sort of behavior one would expect from this editor. Kelownatopdog has a history of doing that. In March of this year, Kelowntopdog created the sock puppet Gotitcro (which not incidentally edited the United Nations gang article quite a bit), which sounds very similar to Gotitbro, the editor who first reported Kelownatopdog for socking. Just that alone gives a strong suspicion that this is Kelownatopdog.

Kelownatopdog usually edits via a cell phone as does ASBrown-pack. Kelownatopdog in his edit summaries often makes short, elliptical sentences that usually say a source was added or something is being deleted because there is no source. The edit summaries from ASBrown-pack read "Source was added" [66] "United States missing source for being apart of gangs drug territory' [67] and "No source for Kang crime group (BIBO gang) being allies" [68]. Kelownatopdog in this edit summary wrote "Source was added" [69] and "Added sources" [70]. Compare that to the edit summaries by one of Kelowna's sockpuppets, Watchthislilsuzy "Details untraceable in sources removed" [71], "Added context" [72] and "Unsourced info removed and details corrected" [73]. Compare these edits with these edits by Jcooks77 (a sock puppet of Kelownatopdog) [74] with the edit "summary lists made alphabetical" and [75] with the edit summary "Additional publicly sourced data added". And these edits by another of Kelwnatopdog's sock puppets HondurasToFlorida [76] with the edit summary "reverted content which was located in sources" and this edit [77] with the edit summary "removed unsourceable content". And finally compare this edits by the IP 199.7.157.89 (who is Kelownatopdog) with the edit summary "Removed unsourced info and added source" [78]. It sounds very much like the same person. I believe that Checkuser will show that ASBrown-pack is Kelownatopdog and that such a test is warranted by the evidence. Thank you for your time. --A.S. Brown (talk) 03:09, 13 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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30 September 2023

Suspected sockpuppets

Kelownatopdog has been engaged in socking for quite this time as anyone familiar with the history of this file can arrest to. Kelownatopdog usually edits via a cell phone and all of the accounts named here edit via cell phones. Kelownatopdog favors tense, short, elliptical sentences that usually say a source was added or something is being deleted because there is no source.

For some examples, Kelownatopdog in this edit summary wrote "Source was added" [79], "Addition of sources" [80], and "Added sources" [81]. Compare that to the edit summaries by one of Kelowna's sockpuppets, Watchthislilsuzy "Details untraceable in sources removed" [82], "Added context" [83] and "Unsourced info removed and details corrected" [84]. Compare these edits with these edits by Jcooks77 (a sock puppet of Kelownatopdog) [85] with the edit "summary lists made alphabetical" and [86] with the edit summary "Additional publicly sourced data added". And these edits by another of Kelwnatopdog's sock puppets HondurasToFlorida [87] with the edit summary "reverted content which was located in sources" and this edit [88] with the edit summary "removed unsourceable content". And finally compare this edits by the IP 199.7.157.89 (who is Kelownatopdog) with the edit summary "Removed unsourced info and added source" [89]. And finally there is this edit summary by the sock puppet Mike Jonesssss "Added content and reference" [90]

The editor Suck ur mum gotit has edited the articles on the United Nations gang and Indo-Canadian organized crime, both articles which Kelownatopdog has edited in the past via his sock puppets. The edit summaries such as "Cite source" [91] and "Source mentions it" [92] sounds to the tense, short, elliptical sentences favored by Kelownatopdog. The editor Choppa Suge has edited the articles Indo-Canadian organized crime and List of gangs in Canada, both articles that Kelownatopdog has edited via his sockpuppets. The edit summaries by Choppa Suge sound very similar to those used by Kelownatopdog via his sock puppets. Choppe wrote here "links for notable future pages added" [93], "Corrected info from ref" [94] and " Links added for major groups according to media reports, pages must be made" [95]. It sounds very much like Kelownatopdog.

The edit summaries by Lil Ak13 such as "Added content" [96], "Added content" [97], "Added content [98], "Added and fixed content" [99] and "I added some more content to make this page more accurate" [100]. The choice of topics by this editor, which deal with North American organized crime is precisely the same as Klowatopdog's prior edit history. For all these reasons, I believe a checkuser is warranted. Thank you for your time. --A.S. Brown (talk) 06:10, 30 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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1 October 2023

Suspected sockpuppets

Perhaps this is unfair, but Kelownatopdog sometimes uses inappropriate names for his sock puppets, and the the choice of this user name Suck sucki me certainly sounds much like him. Other user names used by Kelownatopdog for his sock puppets have included Thatboytweaking and Suck ur mum gotit. Kelownatopdog appears to be on a sucking theme as of late. What are the odds that two different people would both have an inappropriatesucking theme in their user names and both edit the same article within days of each other? Suck ur mum gotit showed up, was exposed as a sock and within days Suck sucki me showed up to edit the same article. It is very suspicious to say the least.

It is difficult to assess an editor based on two edits, but Suck sucki me edits via a cell phone as Kelownatopdog does and one of the articles that Suck sucki me edited was Indo-Canadian organized crime, an article that Kelownatopdog loves to edit. That article should be protected because of Kelownatopdog has edited it numerous times via his sock puppets. This might be a technical here. One of the themes of Kelownatopdog's editing is a tendency to promote up Indo-Canadian gangsters for reasons that remain understandable only to himself. Suck sucki me changed the status of Sukhvir Deo from a "member" to a "leader" of the Wolfpack Alliance in this edit [101], which again sounds very much like Kelownatopdog. Compare that with this edit by his sock puppet Thatboytweaking [102], which promotes up the Independent Soldiers gang in a number of ways. For one example, in that edit he changed the Independent Soldiers gang from being a Hells Angels puppet gang that they are to being the partners of the Hells Angels. Finally, Kelownatopdog usually edits via his sock puppets in the afternoon, which is the case here with Suck sucki me. This may be not be the strongest of cases, but the choice of a grossly inappropriate user name along with the edit to the Indo-Canadian organized crime article makes me strongly suspect that it is Kelownatopdog. Thank you for your time. --A.S. Brown (talk) 07:50, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

16 January 2024

Suspected sockpuppets

The blocked editor Kelownatopdog as anyone familiar with his history will know is very obsessive about Independent Soldiers article which he has edited frequently over the last two years. One of the marks of this editing is short, concise edit summaries that usually say info or content being added or deleted. This edit [103] by the sock puppet Mike Jonesssss with the edit summary "Added content and reference" is very typical of Kelowantogdog's editing style. This edit by the IP 2607:FEA8:DDF:66E0:4480:96BA:9934:D3F9 [104] with the edit summary "Content not found in sources" is very simialir to this edit by one of Kelownatopdog's sock puppets, Thewatcher007 [105] with the very similar edit summary "Removed info not found in source". Likewise, the edits are very similar with both this IP and Kelownatopdog changing the Independent Soldiers into being "allies" of the Hells Angels. And this edit [106] by another of Kelownatogdog's sockpuppets witht the edit summary "Majority of the details added by user “A.S Brown” are no where to be found in the listed references. Further, the books by Totten and Langton lack any references at all of their own regarding details which are actually found in the listed books". Likewise, Kelownatopdog frequently edits India related articles, especially those relating to Sikhism and/or the Punjab. And the other edit that 2607:FEA8:DDF:66E0:4480:96BA:9934:D3F9 made was this one [107] to the Sikh painting article.
Another article that Kelownatopdog frequently edits is the UN gang article. This article by the IP 199.119.233.129 [108] "No sources do Kang group being allies. Add if applicable" and this edit by the IP 199.119.233.216 [109] with the edit summary "sources supplemented" is very similiar to past edits by the sock puppets of Kelownatopdog. Compare with these edits by the Kelowna's sock puppet ASBrown-pack [110] with the edit summary "No source for Kang crime group (BIBO gang) being allies" and this edit [111] "Sources added'. Generally speaking, Kelownatogdog edits the infobox section of the UN gang article while making making sources being lacking, which is precisely what these two IPs did. Thank you for your time. --A.S. Brown (talk) 05:55, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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19 January 2024

Suspected sockpuppets

The blocked editor Kelownatopdog has been a prolific creator of sock puppets as any familiar with the history of this case file can arrest to. On one of his sock puppets, Jet Lii, he did this edit [112] with the edit summary "Hello, I am someone from South Wales who has been editing Wikipedia for the last few years. Topics I tend to be interested in include, generally British often also international, history and politics, as well as more bureaucratic editing across Wikipedia". The editor DJ drama23 did this edit [113]vto their user page [ with the edit summary "'Welcome to my page. I typically edit articles using the random article tab. ==Todo== *Create articles on all Olympic athletes (complete up to 1904) *Create articles on all Olympic medalists *Create articles on all Paralympic athletics medalists *Create articles on all World Championship medalist athletes'". The writing style sounds very similar. Moreover, with this edit [114] with the edit summary "restored ref's" DJ drama23 put back in precisely the same material that Kelownatopdog had added via his Jet Lii sock puppet. See here: [115], [116], and [117]. Likewise the user page info on Pb&jsandwichlova here with the introduction [118] with the "Hello I'm Chris! A contributor and editor. I edit articles to do with Chinese culture, improving the way they're written, adding references and increasing Wikipedia's accessibility" seems very similar to the other user pages. It is also striking that Pb&jsandwichlova has never edited anything to do with the Chinese culture over the last two years, and instead mostly edited the Indo-Canadian organized crime article. It might be useful to compare that with the user page of another of Kelownatogdog's sockpuppets SabhSaaab [119] that says "Hey! I'm David, the specialist contributor and editor. I edit articles to do with Korean culture, improving the way they're written, adding references and increasing Wikipedia's accessibility, as well as accuracy. In my day job, I interact with the traditional arts and culture of South Korea pretty frequently. However, much of it is so niche that it's difficult to research in English online." It sounds precisely like the user page of Pb&jsandwichlova. And just like our supposed Sinologist Pb&jsandwichlova, SabhSaaab never edited anything to do with Korean culture and instead mostly edited the Indo-Canadian organzied crime article.
The editor DJ drama23 on the article Indo-Canadian organzied crime, an article that Kelownatopdog is absolutely obsessive about. And likewise, Dr drama23 is editing the article in the same way. Kelownatopdog for reasons that remain understandable only to himself is constantly stressing the claim that Sikhs dominate Indo-Canadian organized crime groups. This is a problematic approach to say the least, but this is not the best place to discuss this matter. This edit by Kelowna's sock puppet 604editor [120] with the edit summary " Changed from inaccurate name to accurate name title" pretty sums ups Kelowatogdog's approach to the subject. Kelownatogdog has two types of edit summaries. The most common are short, tense edit summaries which usually say something about adding or removing source. And the less common are more lengthy edit summaries which says he says about providing the necessary information and/or insults someone else. Just look at at these edits by DjDrama [121] with the edit summary "refs", [122], and [123] with the edit summary "further context and references were needed to provide a adequate historical background'. Compare that with the edits by Choppa Suge [124] with the edit summary [125] "Corrected info from ref", " links for notable future pages added", and [126] "Links added for major groups according to media reports, pages must be made". Likewise, it might be useful to compare the edits of the sock puppet Jet Lii such as [127] with the edit summary "small edit" and this edit [128] with the edit summary "Grammer". And these edits by his sock puppet Lakahd such as [129] with the edit summary "Added further clan names" and [130] with the edit summary "Removal of notable people who have no references supporting their alleged Punjabi background". The edit summaries of Pb&jsandwichlova such as [131] with the edit summary "removed sources which do not mention given details and removed unsourced info"; [132] with the edit summary "Unsourced info removed along with information not found in given sources, citation needed tags added" sounds very similar to Kelownatopdog. Both DJDrama23 and Pb&jsandwichlova sounds very much like the other sock puppets of Kelownatogdog and a checkuser test would be in order to clarify if this is the case or not. Thank you for your time and help. --A.S. Brown (talk) 07:20, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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5 April 2024

Suspected sockpuppets

To Whom It May Concern, Kelownatopdog has been a militantly prolific sock puppeteer as anyone is familiar with his history can arrest to. The article Indo-Canadian organized crime is one that he is obsessed with, and since page protection for that article expired on Monday it should come as no surprise that he has returned. A surefire way of knowing a sockpuppet is when a new account appears and the first thing that an editor does is restore a bunch of material put by a previous sock puppet. Seemcoming is a brand new account and the very second edit made is this one [133] with the edit summary "rescuing orphaned refs + further added". Compare that edit with this one [134] by the sock puppet DJ drama23 "further context and references were needed to provide a adequate historical background". The edit by Seemcoming is precisely very much the same one with off topic discussion with the Ghadar movement. It is also notable that Seemcoming is pushing the theme of alleged "Sikhness" of Indo-Canadian organized crime with the theme that Sikhs are gangsters, a theme that is very consistent with Kelownatopdog's prior edits to this article.

The editor Jeenday is also a new account with only three edits. The edits are [135] with the edit summary "details from given links #article-section-source-editor"; [136] with the edit summary "sentence structure #article-section-source-editor" and [137] with the edit summary "no source for Kang crime group turning rivals". One of the marks of Kelownatopdog are short, concise edit summaries that says something about the "details" in the article or there is no source for something or he is adding a source. Compare the edits of Jeenday with this edit by the sock puppet ASBrown-pack [138] with the edit summary "No source for Kang crime group (BIBO gang) being allies". And this edit by the IP 199.7.156.232 who is Kelownatopdog [139] with the edit summary "Removal of referenced details restored, user “Drmies” may be a vandal". Again, this edit [140] by the sock puppet Gotitcro with the edit summary "Added details and refernces". And this edit by the sock puppet PickNroll999 [141] with the edit summary "details and references added". And again this edit [142] by the sock puppet Watchthislilsuzy with the edit summary "Unsourced info removed and details corrected". Jeenday's edits seem very similar to other edits by the sock puppets of Kelowatopdog.

As for the IPs, this edit [143] by the 199.119.233.168 with the edit summary "Rescued valid citations once again" speaks for itself. This reference to editing "once again" are not the words of someone who has never edited before. Compare that edit with this one by [144] by DJ drama23 with the edit summary "restored ref's". And compare that with these edits [145], [146], and [147] by the sock puppet Jet Lii. It is precisely the same material being added over and over again. As for the IP 199.7.157.115, compare this edit [148] with edit summary "provide a reason for the sources removal or prove alleged "block evasion" and this edit [149] with the edit summary "give a balid reason for sources removal, or any proof of a block evasion". The same material was put by another 199.119.233.216 with this edit [150] with the edit summary "sources supplemented", which sounds very much Kelowantopdog. And compare those edits with this edit [151] by the sock puppet ASBrown-pack with the edit summary "Sources added". It alls sounds very much like the same person who putting the same material with the same sources.

As for the IP 199.119.233.163, this edit [152] with the edit summary "source does not mention operation blue star or hair cutting behind the Wikipedia banned paywall on this URL" and this edit [153] with the edit summary "Judges statement not found in said book from source in earlier sentence". It is useful to compare those edits with this one [154] with the edit summary "Details untraceable in sources removed" by the sock puppet Watchthislilsuzy. It sounds very much like the same person. For 199.119.233.129, note this edit to the UN gang article (which Kelownatopdog likes to edit much) here [155] with the edit summary "No sources do Kang group being allies. Add if applicable". That sounds much like Kelownatopdog. And the same IP made this edit to the Mexican Mafia article [156] with the edit summary "Please discuss in the talk page, the Aryan Brotherhood and its ally the Mexican mafia are both known to have a green light on Hells Angels members in California as more than enough sources show, they attack Hells angels members in sight prisons, further this removed source did not indicate any formal alliance between the two groups". And compare that to this edit [157] by Seemcoming with the edit summary "As stated earlier, friendship between individual members or "knowing of" a person, does not constitute an alliance by definition". It seems very odd that a new editor would take up the same dispute with another editor between relations the Mexican Mafia and the Hells Angels in California prisons in precisely the same writing style.

Thank you again for your time and patience. --A.S. Brown (talk) 06:37, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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22 April 2024

Suspected sockpuppets

To Whom It May Concern. Our friend Kelownatopdog has been a militantly aggressive sock puppeteer who mostly (but not always) edits articles related to Canadian organized crime. One of the articles that Kelownatopdog has edited in the past has been the Red Scorpions article. At the risk of sounding repetitive, a characteristic of Kelowantogdog's edits are tendencies to make make brief, concise edit summaries or alternatively to make edit summaries that says the sources did not support some statement. Typical of Keownatopdog's edits was these edit summaries by his sockpuppet sock puppet ASBrown-pack [158] with the edit summary "No source for Kang crime group (BIBO gang) being allies"; [159] with the edit summary "United States missing source for being apart of gangs drug territory"; and this one [160] with the edit summary "Sources added". Or consider these edits by the sock puppet Gotitcro such as this one [161] with the edit summary "Added details and refernces"; this one [162] with the edit summary "Source added"; and this one [163] with the edit summary "removed unsourced info". Or this edit by the sock puppet Jeenday [164] with the edit summary "no source for Kang crime group turning rivals".

By way of comparison, please examine these edits by Crazy clientele, namely this one [165] "No reputable source states any separation between the Kang and Latimer groups, or the RS. All news articles suggest the opposite recently"; [166] with the edit summary "Facts added"; and this one [167] with the edit summary "Bacon brothers are Red scorpions, intro sounds redundant". It says very much like the same person, and given the choice of subject matter, it is almost certain that Crazy clientele is Kelownatopdog. Finally, this account is a new one that only showed up on 20th of this month, but this editor seems very familiar with the Wiki-speak such as using RS as a short form for reliable source, which is highly suspicious. Finally, Crazy clientele in his edits to the article 2009 Vancouver gang war is mostly concerned about various Sikh gangsters involved in the gang war, which is very consistent with his prior editing history on articles such as Indo-Canadian organized crime.

As for the IP 199.119.233.214, it is from Toronto, the same city that is Kelownatogdog's hometown. All of the IP accounts that Kelownatopg uses for block evasion come from the Toronto area, and this one has already been partially blocked in the past because it has been used by Kelownatogdog. Kelownatopdog has been engaged in a content dispute with the editor Shaolin Punk on the article Mexican Mafia for the last few months. Compare this edit [168] by the IP 199.119.233.129 with the edit summary "Please discuss in the talk page, the Aryan Brotherhood and its ally the Mexican mafia are both known to have a green light on Hells Angels members in California as more than enough sources show, they attack Hells angels members in sight prisons, further this removed source did not indicate any formal alliance between the two groups". And this edit [169] by the sock puppet Seemecoming with the edit summary "As stated earlier, friendship between individual members or "knowing of" a person, does not constitute an alliance by definition". And finally this edit [170] by the 199.119.233.214 with the edit summary "sources by ShaolinPunk only show a friendship between individual members, policemag source shows rivalry between entire groups". It is clearly the same editor at work here. Thank you for your time and help. --A.S. Brown (talk) 07:48, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Confirmed, although they're rather obvious. Behaviourally, while I agree that the flagged IP edits are obviously the same editor, they're not particularly recent, and more recent edits on this range don't seem to be them.
@A.S. Brown: please use the form on the main SPI page, or the {{SPI report}} template, to file new reports. It looks like you copied the header from an older report for this, and some essential code was missing. Thanks. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 12:11, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Forgot to say: due to past behaviour, I have blocked this account with talk page and email access disabled preemptively. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 12:12, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Point taken. Thank you for your time. --A.S. Brown (talk) 07:12, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

18 July 2024

Suspected sockpuppets

Our friend, Kelownatopdog has returned once again to waste my time filing yet another report on his socking. As anyone familiar with the history of this militantly prolific sock puppeteer, he is obsessed with the article Indo-Canadian organized crime whose protected status expired earlier this month. This account edits the that article quite a bit and he has the same sort of brief, elliptical edit summaries associated with Kelownatopdog. See here [171] with the edit summary "no reference given for twins"; [172] with the edit summary "book says the ethnicity, not opinion stated. so i restored" and [173] with the edit summary "fix format". Compare with these edits by the sock puppet Watchthislilsuz with the following edit summaries [174] "Details untraceable in sources removed"; this edit to the article List of gangs in Canada [175] "alphabetically categorized indo" and this edit to Indo-Canadian organized crime [176] "Unsourced info removed and details corrected". Compare these edits with these edits by Jcooks77 (a sock puppet of Kelownatopdog [177] with the edit "summary lists made alphabetical" and [178] with the edit summary "Additional publicly sourced data added". And these edits by another of Kelwnatopdog's sock puppets HondurasToFlorida [179] with the edit summary "reverted content which was located in sources" and this edit [180] with the edit summary "removed unsourceable content".

In particular, this edit [181] proves that the account is Kelownatogdog. Notice the focus is on proving the "Punjabiness" of Indo-Canadian gangsters, which is very consistent with the prior history of Kelownatopdog. Notice in this edit, Hawktuah deez deleted this sentence under a misleading edit summary: "In a video made in June 2010, Dhak stated the swaggering, macho aggression of the gangsters hid a deep insecurity and fear as he stated that to live the life of a gangster was to live in fear, never knowing when someone would try to kill him and never knowing who to trust". Compare that with this edit [182] by the sock puppet Seemecoming were likewise deleted same sentence under a misleading edit summary. As for the IP from Toronto (the same city where Kelownatopdog always edits from as an IP), this edit [183] with the misleading edit summary "Alphabeticals organized" is definitely our friend. Compare that edit with this edit by another of Kelownatopdog's sockpuppets Jcooks77 [184] with the edit summary "lists made alphabetical" and this edit by the sock puppet PickNroll999 [185] with the edit summary "lists corrected alphabetically". It is clearly the same person. As for Little Carm, this editor has made one edit [186]. However, Kelownatopdog loves to edit the infoboxes for Canadian organized crime articles and this edit is very consistent with his editing style. See these edits by an IP identified as Kelownatopdog to the same infobox on the same article, here [187], this edit by one of his sockpuppets [188], and and this edit by another of his sockpuppets [189]. All these edits are to the infobox of the Red Scorpions. Thank you for your time. --A.S. Brown (talk) 06:33, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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22 September 2024

Suspected sockpuppets

This one is very easy. Our friend, Kelownatopdog, often edits as an IP from Toronto as anyone is familiar with his history will know. This edit here [191] with the edit summary "Bundch Lela" (which I believe is Punjabi for bunch of lambs) is the precise same edit by this IP 2607:FEA8:DDF:66E0:8DB1:86E1:5D25:6492 [192], which was blocked for being a sockpuppet of Kelownatopdog. The same IP was responsible for these edits [193] with the edit summary "A.S Brown is a low-IQ white suprmacist" and this one [194] "Get off the dizz you Addict “A.S Brown” calling a literal bloods gang “white and Caucasian” bahaha". One gathers that Kelownatopdog hates my guts given the frequency in which he writes edit summaries attacking my intelligence and character, which proves quite clearly that this IP is our friend Kelownatopdog. See these edits for other examples of personal attacks by Kelowatopdog [195] and [196]. Our friend usually place the names of other editors in quotation marks, see here for an example [197]. The articles Wolfpack Alliance and List of gangs in Canada are both articles our friend has frequently edited in the past, which is further evidence. Thank you for your time. --A.S. Brown (talk) 00:16, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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26 September 2024

Suspected sockpuppets

Our friend, Kelownatopdog, has returned to once again waste my time filing these tiresome reports. Per the request above for bullet points:
  • Kelowantopdog evidently really wants to be be me because he loves to impersonate me. One of his prior sockpuppets was called ASBrown-pack, and the user name A.S. Klun is on par with this clearly petty man.
  • This [198] with the edit summary "Why are you removing references to suite your agenda but won’t remove the “European-Canadian and Asian-Canadian”, etc that was also added by the alleged sockpuppet?" and this edit [199] with the edit summary "A.S Brown should be investigated" are precisely the same edits made the IP 199.119.233.223 made here [200] and 2607:FEA8:DDF:66E0:8DB1:86E1:5D25:6492 here [201]. It is always a surefire sign of a sock puppet when a new editor shows up to make the precise same edit that the previous blocked accounts made.
  • This A.S. Klun in his edit summary made a reference to this edit [202] by the 199.119.233.206 on 21 April of this year, which is most peculiar, unless of course A.S. Klun and 199.119.233.206 are one and the same. The 199.119.233.206 is from Toronto, the same city where Kelownatopdog always edits from as an IP. The edit summary "Alphabeticals organized" sounds very much like Kelowantopdog. This sockpuppet of his made this edit [203] with the edit summary "alphabetically categorized indo" and this edit [204] with the edit summary "lists made alphabetical". It really seems odd that A.S. Klun would complain about why I have not reverted that edit until now unless of course A.S. Kun and 199.119.233.206 are the same person.
  • As anyone who is familiar with the history of Kelowntopdog will know, this sockpuppet has an immense hatred for me and often attacks me in his edit summaries. It is highly unlikely that a new editor shows up and their first edits are to restate the same edits made by the same blocked user and in the process spew insults at another editor. That question "Why are you removing references to suite your agenda" and calling for investigation of another editor really sounds like someone who is not new to this article at all.
  • As for Valaat, he has made two edits here [205] with the edit summary "alphabetically reorganized" and this edit [206] with the edit summary "alphabetically organized allies". Our friend Kelownatopdog loves to edit the infoboxes of Canadian organized crime articles. Compare those edits with this edit by another of Kelownatopdog's sockpuppets Jcooks77 [207] with the edit summary "lists made alphabetical" and this edit by the sock puppet PickNroll999 [208] with the edit summary "lists corrected alphabetically".

Thank you for your time. --A.S. Brown (talk) 07:48, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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30 November 2024

Suspected sockpuppets

Kelownatopdog sometimes edits as an IP, usually from a cell phone in the greater Toronto area. It is common for Kelownatopdog to change material, usually with rude edit summaries, but to leave the references intact, thereby giving the entire false impression the sources say something that they don't. See here [209] and [210] for examples. Compare that with these edits by the IP 104.129.159.230 [211] and [212]. Note that Kelownattogdog often does not capitalizations when he should see here [213], [214], [215] and [216], just what this IP did here [217]. This IP is also guilty of copyright violation in this edit [218] as all he did was copy and paste from this article here [219]. A number of the edit summaries by this IP such "Added content" [220], [221], [222] and [223] sound very similar to other edit summaries by Kelownatopdog. By way of comparison, please see [224] with the edit summary "Addition of sources", [225] with the edit summary "Removed unsourced info and added source", [226] with the edit summary "Added context" and [227] with the edit summary "Source added". It sounds very much like the same person.

Ghostfaceee has edited the articles Independent Soldiers and Indo-Canadian organized crime, both of which articles that Kelownatopdog has frequently edited in the past. Kelownatopdog loves to edit the infoboxes of articles dealing with organized crime, see here [228], [229], [230]. Likewise, Ghostfaceee has edited the info box of the Independent Soldiers article, see [231]. In his edit summaries, Kelownatopdog often writing about restoring references or something along those lines; see here [232] with the edit summary "Rescued valid citations once again", [233] with the edit summary "rescuing orphaned refs + further added" and [234] with the edit summary "restored ref's". Compare that with this edit by Ghostfaceee [235] with the edit summary "Rescued ref's". Note also that the material was being put back in the article was all block evasion that I deleted this summer, see here [236]. It is pretty clear that Ghostfaceee is Kelowantopdog just by that edit alone. To get around the page protection, Kelownatopdog made a series of minor edits to articles starting on 30 October, and once he could edit his favorite article, he went right into it. That edit when he put back in all the block evasion I deleted was this account's first major edit. It is was not for the page protection, I'm pretty certain it would have that account's first edit. It is always a surefire sign of a sock puppet when a new account shows up and one of the very first things it does is put back in the same material that other previous sock puppets had put in. Thank you for your time. --A.S. Brown (talk) 20:41, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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25 April 2025

Suspected sockpuppets

To Whom It May Concern, the militantly sock puppeteer Kelownatopdog generally engages in block evasion with articles relating to Canadian organized crime, especially those groups have a significant Indo-Canadian membership. Both of the articles that these accounts have edited, namely the Independent Soldiers and the Brothers Keepers (gang) fall into that category. It is very common for him to create a sock puppet account, edit an article, and then create another account. It is very common for Kelonatopdog to write edit summaries such as "Sources added" like here: [237] and talks about details, usually without capitalization such as this one with the edit summary "details and references added" [238], this edit [239] with the edit "Source added", this edit [240] with the edit summary "no source for Kang crime group turning rivals", and this edit [241] with the edit summary "No source for Kang crime group (BIBO gang) being allies". Compare that with these edits by Attorney researcher with the following edit summaries: "details" [242] and "all sources say "Navdeep Dhaliwal" not Gill" [243]. The same goes with BCnews reader whose sole edit is this one with the edit summary "details added" [244]. Likewise with Al pollo loco with this edit [245] with the edit summary "sources". And it is also very common for Kelonatopdog to make misleading edit summaries. Compare this edit [246] by Referencesauthenticator with the edit summary "surname mispelling". Compare that with this edit [247] with this edit by Kelownatopdog with the the edit summary "Spelling and Grammar corrections". And one also compare this statement by one of his sock puppets [248] with this statement by [249] by Referencesauthenticator. It all seems very like much the same person. Thank you for your time and help. --A.S. Brown (talk) 16:47, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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September 30 2025

Suspected sockpuppets

To Whom It May Concern, as anyone familiar with the history of this subject will know, Kelownatopdog has been obsessive with the article Indo-Canadian organized crime, having edited that article more than anyone else. Needless to say since the page protection expired, he has returned to that article. Kelownatopdog has in the past edited as an IP based in Brampton, which one gathers is where he is now living. After based in Toronto for a number of years, Kelownatopdog started to edit late last year as an IP based in Brampton. Kelownatopdog usually when editing makes statements about something not been in the sources or references or details. A good edit here [250] with the edit summary "source does not mention operation blue star or hair cutting behind the Wikipedia banned paywall on this URL" or this [251] with the edit summary "Judges statement not found in said book from source in earlier sentence". Or this edit [252] with the edit summary "No source for Kang crime group (BIBO gang) being allies". Likewise, this edit [253] with the edit summary "removed unsourced info". Or this edit [254] with the edit summary "details from given links #article-section-source-editor". Or this edit [255] with the edit summary "reverted back to version which is cited with multiple credible sources not a single reference with no primary sources". It is typical of Kelownatopdog to make misleading edit summaries as anyone who will examine the last example will soon notice.

By way of comparison, please examine these edits by Iswhatitiss. The first here [256] with the edit summary "Removed details not mentioned in listed references". Likewise, this edit [257] with the edit summary "So then check the sources, they are all URL links. Not one listed ref mentions “indo-carribeans”, not one listed ref mentions “Punjabi, India” in relation to indo-Canadian organized crime, and not one listed ref mentions “Khalistan movement” in relation to indo-Canadian organized crime". And likewise, this edit by Versace express (which is the same edit as Iswhatitiss) here [258] with the edit summary "Everything removed is unsourced or unmentioned in sources". And this edit by the Brampton-based IP 2607:FEA8:DDF:66E0:1856:147B:B83D:A6C5 with the edit summary "No mention of Khalistan in said sources". And likewise this edit [259] by the Brampton-based IP 2607:FEA8:DDF:66E0:98B8:E073:616F:B853 with the edit summary "Add actual sources that mention both topics being related". And finally these edits by another Brampton-based IP 2607:FEA8:DDF:66E0:9954:1248:FDFA:83A6. The first one is this edit [260] with the edit summary "None of the removed sources mention both topics being related in any way. Add some that do", the second being this edit [261] with the edit summary "No sources for 1980s origin claim", and this edit [262] with the edit summary "No mention of indo-Caribbeans in listed sources". As for Sednoid, this account has made one edit to the United Nations article (which is likewise an article frequently edited by Kelnownatop), namely this edit [263] with the edit summary "No sources provided to substantiate claims, provide either secondary or even primary sources". It all sounds very much like the same person. Thank you for your time. --A.S. Brown (talk) 02:23, 1 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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