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The result was redirect‎ to 2023 Virginia House of Delegates election. Closing early. This should not have been de-redirected in the first place without going through WP:DRV. I'll salt. asilvering (talk) 19:57, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Consensus in the previous AfD that this was a WP:BLP1E due to the only coverage being in the context of a failed election campaign. Was recreated by a new user with few edits outside of this page. Don't think anything has changed since the last AfD (there's been some minor coverage of a bill she advocated for a few months later but nothing substantial), and the article should be redirected back to 2023_Virginia_House_of_Delegates_election, with the title ECP'd. I also think having an article about a person whose apparent sole reason for notability is a sex scandal is inadvisable. Hemiauchenia (talk) 21:55, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Politicians, Medicine, and Virginia. Hemiauchenia (talk) 21:55, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 02:43, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect or Delete - I defer to more experienced Wikipedians than me. Thank you for the summary. I'll add three main points. Pmcc3 (talk) 15:34, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A) One significant change since the last AfD wrapped up is that S.G. lost the election which makes her less notable than if she had won ("Just being an elected local official, or an unelected candidate for political office, does not guarantee notability, although such people can still be notable if they meet the general notability guideline." in Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Politicians and judges with emphasis added).

B) Also, "it is not Wikipedia's job to be sensationalist, or to be the primary vehicle for the spread of titillating claims about people's lives" in Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons

C) Examining the WP:BLP1E standard, the first two criteria arguably are met (1, only in context of the single event; 2, low profile) but what of criterion 3? There my assessment is that it is not "well documented" because there is one WaPo article and then many reports essentially parrot the WaPo article uncritically (or copy it inaccurately). If the WaPo article gets anything wrong, so will its derivatives. In the case of Joe Gow for comparison, there was much adversarial analysis in committee hearings at a University with lawyers present over the course of months (with no politics or election deadlines) in order to try to determine the truth, and many independent reporters, and still many facts are in dispute. The WaPo article about S.G. was published rapidly in the middle of a political campaign. It describes its own "Deep Throat" as follows: "The Republican operative who alerted The Post to the videos ... provided the information on the condition of anonymity to avoid being drawn into the controversy." The WaPo article is based in part on audio in the videos, but fake words trivially could have been dubbed, not even requiring sophistication of deep fakes. The WaPo, like TwitterX, is owned and controlled by a single individual, sullying each one's trustworthiness. Pmcc3 (talk) 03:19, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Pmcc3: You're obviously new to AfD. When you comment in the discussion, you're supposed to provide a clear indication of your position. If you support deleting the article, you should place a bolded Delete at the front of your comment, or in the case of redirecting, a bolded Redirect. Hemiauchenia (talk) 03:27, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. I am indeed a novice to almost every aspect of contributing to Wikipedia and have always been impressed that it works as well as it does. Apologies and thanks again. Pmcc3 (talk) 15:32, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect to 2023 Virginia House of Delegates election per Hemiauchenia. And then protect the redirect. Polygnotus (talk) 06:26, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect with salt. Nothing has changed since the first discussion that would give her a stronger basis for permanent notability now than she had a year ago. As always, the test that has to be passed is not "has been recently present in the news cycle", it's "she's done something of such enduring significance that people will still be looking for an article about her ten, twenty or thirty years from now", and nothing stated here reaches that standard of importance. Bearcat (talk) 16:48, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect Agree with the OP and other commenters, as well as the admin closure in the prior AfD: "Please do not convert this Redirect into an article until she is notable for her political achievements and not a scandal". – notwally (talk) 19:15, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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