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"Nationality" needs to be clarified. Does it refer to the citizenship or the ethnic origin of the artist? Iyi muhabbet (talk) 00:09, 13 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

See nationality. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:16, 13 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

While adding an image for a 19th-century British illustrator, I noticed that the Infobox artist template encourages editors to "include middle initial, if not specified in birth_name". This presumably is why the article for Sarah Drake uses Sarah A. Drake for the infobox name parameter.

I understand that sometimes we may want to distinguish among multiple Jane Does. We have rules to handle that for article titles; for systematic processes, authority control handles the issue well. So, is there a reason why we should include the person's middle initial in the infobox if that isn't/wasn't how they are known?

In the United States, the use of middle initials is fairly common when people wish to give a formal version of their name, although there are few artists who regularly use their middle initial. In the U.K. middle initials are almost never used in everyday life; people might use their middle name in preference to their first name or use their first and middle names together, but the form "John Q. Public" is almost exclusively American. Other cultures have very different conventions for personal naming and using a middle initial in infoboxes for these people would appear to be an arbitrary choice.

Am I missing some rationale for why we would want to specifically include middle initials for artists? If not, I propose that I remove this advice from the template. I'm guessing there are quite a few articles about artists where a middle initial has been included in the infobox based on this guidance. Is there an easy way to identify them? Rupert Clayton (talk) 17:42, 2 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds sensible, but I don't know how you would track examples down. Note that the use of two initials for authors etc was rather common in the UK a century ago: W.H. Auden, D.H. Lawrence, T.E. Lawrence etc. Johnbod (talk) 02:38, 4 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• FYI, the residence parameter does not more work, cf. Template talk:Infobox person#Removal. –84.46.53.221 (talk) 09:35, 15 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• This issue is still not resolved BuffaloBob (talk) 14:49, 3 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It's not supposed to work; a discussion last November (Template_talk:Infobox_person/Archive_34#Residence_parameter) resulted in a decision to delete the parameter. Ewulp (talk)

then perhaps it should be removed?ThatMontrealIP (talk) 21:37, 23 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done. – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:27, 23 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Anyone out here to take a look at the bottom of the template? It says '{{Sandbox other||, should probably be {{Sandbox other}} Thank you for your time.

Fixed. – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:30, 23 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The explanation here for "caption" says "try to include date of photo and photographer's name." and yet MOS:CREDITS distinctly says not to do this: "Unless relevant to the subject, do not credit the image author or copyright holder in the article. [...] If the artist or photographer is independently notable, though, then a wikilink to the artist's biography may be appropriate, but image credits in the infobox image are discouraged, even if the artist is notable, since the infobox should only contain key facts of the article's subject, per MOS:INFOBOX." -Lopifalko (talk) 17:20, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I support removing "and photographer's name" from the explanation. it is often taken advantage of for promotion.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 20:44, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Suggest to add below parameter to infobox. | type = <!-- use to state type of person it can be use widely for all occupation e.g. artiste, actor, singer, celebrity, public figure, performer, professional entertainer etc--> | race = <!-- Chinese, Malay, Indian (Mostly for China, Malaysia and Singapore)--> | language = <!--Show how many language an artist know how to speak--> | religious_and_belief = <!--Buddhism, Christianity, Hinduism, Islam etc--> | residence = <!--Stay at a place other than hometown--> | years_active = | occupation = <!--Actor, actress, singer, dancer etc--> | agent = | organization = <!--Charity Foundation--> | debut_date = <!--Date of launched a career--> | debut_place = <!--Place of launched a career--> | debut_works = <!--Work of launched a career--> | music_background = **Mandatory** Use one: solo_singer, non_vocal_instrumentalist, non_performing_personnel, or temporary | genre = <!--Genre of art, music, or literature. | instrument = | notable_roles = <!--Roles of actor, actress etc--> | website = {{url|website.com}} I suggest to add above parameters. Reason: Make the template more complete, no need to embedding other templates, mean all in one. Artists also include Actor, Actress, Singing, Dance, Performer etc. Please refer Wikipedia article on Artist https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artist Happygirl1976 (talk) 13:00, 30 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Happygirl1976: the artist infobox is usually used for visual and fine artists. You might be looking for Template:Infobox musical artist and Template:Infobox actor or Template:Infobox singer.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 05:18, 30 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@ThatMontrealIP:Nowadays many artist have many career, one person can be three e.g. actor, singer and dancer. This mean editor need to use embedding on a infobox. If you said like this, this template is different with Chinese version template:artist, my opinion is if have a 10 in 1 template user no need to embedding so many module too troublesome. Anyway is ok, thanks for your advise. Happygirl1976 (talk 15:00 30 July 2020 (UTC)