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Hey Kwamikagami, I was looking at contributors to the family of IPA-x templates, such as Template:IPA-ja and your name appeared a lot, which is why I'm here. There was a recent discussion about a different group of language templates (xx-icon) that had the same design approach as these - a template for each language. That discussion resulted in changing the design to one template that accepts as a parameter the language - so in this example, instead of {{IPA-ja}} it would be {{IPA|ja}}. For editors, the change is very minimal as instead of a hyphen they use a vertical bar, but the behind the scenes can now be maintained much more reasonably. Now if you want to apply a change to all templates, you need to update each individual template, once consolidated, there is need for only one edit. As you seem to be one of the maintainers of these templates, would you know where the correct place would be to discuss such a change before TfD? --Gonnym (talk) 14:13, 19 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Gonnym. I don't do much maintenance any more. I would notify Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Linguistics and some of the main IPA templates, like maybe Template talk:IPA, Template talk:IPA-all and Template talk:IPAc-en. — kwami (talk) 23:37, 21 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Re this name shift, there is no contemporary 'community' I know of self-identifying as wekiweki, which is just one of several spellings. Could you elucidate? Thanks in anticipation.Nishidani (talk) 12:22, 21 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Nishidani. I was following AIATSIS. Under their comments for [S21] Warga Warga, they say,

Warga Warga and Weki Weki refer to the same language (Clark 1996, 2005). Previously there was a Thesaurus heading for Warga Warga but not Weki Weki. As the two are now treated as the same language and Weki Weki is the community-preferred name, they have been merged under the Weki Weki S33 heading.

They say the same thing under S33. (Weki Weki and Warga Warga refer to the same language (Clark 1996, 2005), of which the community-preferred name is Weki Weki.) That's all I was going on. — kwami (talk) 23:24, 21 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There is no evidence of what is meant by a 'community-preferred name', obviously because there is great confusion over the names, which are used to indicate very distinct geohistorical peoples, whose descendants' communities are not visible on the web in these terms. AIATSIS may have good grounds for this assertion, but I cannot verify it anywhere.

Weki Weki is Tindale’s Watiwati (AIATSIS S33.

Variant names are Wathiwathi (wati = no), Watthiwatthi, Wattewatte, Watty-watty, Wotti-wotti, Withaija, Wohdi Wohdi, Woani (means 'man'), Woonyi, Dacournditch (horde between Tyntynder and Swan Hill), Biangil (place name Piangil).

Their location was given as

Murray River between a point 15 miles (24 km.)above Murrumbidgee Junction and Swan Hill; at Piangil;extending northward to about Moolpa, N.S.W. According to Cameron, the name Narinari is also applied to this tribe but there is some evidence to show they are separate peoples.According to Stone, the Wembawemba called the dialect of the Watiwati tribe Burrea.

Around Piangil, in short.

(b)Warka Warka Warga Warga S21.

Variant names are Werkawerka, Waikywaiky (['warki] = ['warka] = no), Weki-weki, Wengenmarongeitch, Mirdiragoort, Boo-roung, Boorong, Wirtu (means 'man'), Wirtoo

Their location was given as

Tyrrell Creek and Lake Tyrrell south to Warracknabeal and Birchip; west to Hopetoun; on Morton Plains.p.208

Around Warracknabeal in short

As you can see, there is no overlap geographically.

Thirdly, the scholarship identifies (see my edit to Weki Weki) Warka Warka as probably not an autonomous community, but a subgroup of the Wergaia.

I don’t often use AIATSIS because it is a highly abstract synthesis that perplexes me compared to the actual secondary ethnographic sources I draw on, all of which try to iron out distinctions that the list format of AIATSIS blurs and where confusion reigns.

Wouldn't it be safer to just revert the name back. I can't find any documentation whatsoever, unlike with the Warkawarka, about a Weki Weki people, and people would probably search for the former.Nishidani (talk) 17:16, 22 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sure. Go ahead and move it back (or I will). I don't know the lit, so you decide what's best. — kwami (talk) 22:37, 22 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, pal. I dunno how to make name shifts. I dunno much about anything technical, so, give it a few days, and if anyone else watching those pages (there are a few) can't get round to it, I'd appreciate you fixing it. Thanks for all the great work, not only on those Aussie articles. Best Nishidani (talk) 10:04, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ooops. I see you've already done it. Thanks

Hi kwami, we have talked about it before, but maybe you want to mention the case of Muna as an attested occurrence:[1], p. 19.

There is further a fresh MA thesis about the Central Flores languages (yup, I've already created an article from it and other sources): [2]. Unfortunately, Elias only goes into detail for Lio, where he describes the implosive as apico-alveolar (p. 31). There is also a sketch for Ngadha, but here he lumps all apical and laminal consonants as "coronals" (p. 82). So it's neither a confirmation nor a contradiction for the old claim that Ngadha has a retroflex implosive. –Austronesier (talk) 15:40, 24 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Kwamikagami, I recently finished an article for Santiago Baháʼí Temple, which has (after some difficulty) been moved to the mainspace. Now I am hoping to add a bunch of redirects because of the wide range of names used to identify the building, but I can't seem to understand the orthography conventions. I saw you corrected the Baháʼí orthography for several articles so I wanted to ask you: how do you tell the three versions of the accents apart in order to 1) use the correct one, and 2) add separate redirects for all of them? It would be great if you could briefly clarify this for me (Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Bahá'í spelling does not seem to help). Thanks very much. Gazelle55 (talk) 21:09, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Gazelle55: The problem you're having is that that page is not part of the MOS, but a personal essay by a user who objected to the spelling conventions. I've moved it to User:Francis Schonken/Bahá'í spelling where, per Wikipedia:Policies and guidelines, an essay belongs. The MOS pages now rd to Baháʼí orthography. There there are footnotes under the table that describe how you can input the hamza and ayin. The easiest way is probably with {{hamza}} and {{okina}} [rather than with {{ayin}}, which is a different ayin transcription, one that's used for Arabic but isn't used by the Bahai community.] However, per the MOS, any simple apostrophe is to be rendered with an ASCII <'>. That is, if it's a letter in Persian, and thus pronounced in Persian, then transcribe it as a hamza or ayin/okina, but if it's a contraction, and thus not a letter and not pronounced, then use the usual apostrophe punctuation mark. With smart-quote typesetting, the apostrophe and hamza will look the same, but we don't use smart quotes on WP. — kwami (talk) 22:55, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Here's how you can test if the hamza/ayin letters are correct. Clip the word and paste in the search box. I just tried that with the <ʼ> in the <Baháʼí> in your article title, and it took me to modifier letter apostrophe. Note that's a Unicode letter, and so correct for transcribing a letter. If your search had instead taken you to quotation mark, then it would've been the wrong code point (a punctuation mark rather than a letter -- this can make a difference in computer files even if they look the same).

Similarly, if you search for the <ʻ> in <ʻAlí>, it will take you to ʻokina, which is an alphabetic letter an therefor correct. Again, if it had taken you to 'quotation mark', it would've been wrong. BTW, in the 'okina article they show how 'okina and the quote mark look a little different in a good font. I believe that Hawaiians chose the six-shape for 'okina rather than the nine-shape so that it would be easily distinguished from a curly apostrophe. — kwami (talk) 23:05, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If you search the page for ASCII <'>, you'll find all instances of curly quotes as well. I just did that in your article, and it looks like there's just one curly quote in the text, a bunch in the refs, and one in the external links. The only straight ASCII apostrophe in another word/name is in Mashriqu'l-Adhkár, but that actually is an apostrophe (a contraction of the article "al") and so correct. — kwami (talk) 23:16, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Kwamikagami:, thanks for the very detailed explanation, I believe that clears everything up. Gazelle55 (talk) 18:53, 28 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I see you have submitted articles to Featured article review in the past six months. Here is a template listing FAs (and dates) with talk page notifications that a Featured article review is needed. According to the FAR instructions, after waiting five to seven days to see if anyone engages to address the issues, anyone can bring an article to FAR, subject to a) no more than one nomination every two weeks; and b) no more than four nominations on the page at one time, unless permission for more is given by a FAR coordinator. Regards, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 21:29, 28 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

In the future, please discuss changes on talk pages before doing major reorganizing of articles on Papuan language families.

What is your rationale for following Usher's classifications? Those are not mainstream classifications. There is way too much lumping that confuses areal influences with genetic inheritance. Foley, Hammarstrom, Pawley, and other Papuanists show strong evidence that Papuan families need to be split, not lumped. As you may already know, Usher operates on the fringes of Papuan linguistics, and his classifications are not universally accepted. For example, Taiap is certainly not Torricelli, but Usher claims it is.

Foja Range languages and South Pauwasi languages are not in Glottolog, Ethnologue, or any other major publication, and I suggest we wait until these proposed families can be better demonstrated. — Sagotreespirit (^talk) 04:55, 30 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]