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First of all, I would like to make it clear to all the other editors that I wasn't behind, probably an organized, malicious attempt to discredit me that took place yesterday with "user" Pippop/93.138.15.104 which I just become aware of.

@Mm.srb (talk · contribs), term "persecution" is the term used in the main article about the subject and it most certainly does not represent "watering down" or "political correctness", but is, in fact, the only right term that can be used to describe this subject about which there is clearly still no (academic) consensus. For example, look at the book by David Bruce MacDonald - Balkan Holocausts?: Serbian and Croatian Victim Centered Propaganda and the War in Yugoslavia, which is in fact used as a source, in which the author clearly says: <"While I'm not persuaded of a Serbian Genocide in the 1940s, this argument was made recently by Damir Mirkovich (...). Problematically, however, Mirkovich fails to convince us of the past when he applies his research to the present, citing 1941 " genocide "... (...) My personal opinion is that genocide of Serbs or Croats in the occupied and divided Yugoslavia during the Second World War is very difficult to prove. While the Genocide Convention does use the term "in part", the purpose of genocide traditionally has been to eliminate a group in its entirety. A related problem is that propagandisation of the number of dead... Mirkovich's research, as well as that of Batkovich and others, is rife with anti-Croatian vocabulary, not only from the past but also in the present."> Term "persecution" is absolutely in line with the NPOV policy and is in fact broad enough to encompass all forms of hardship Serbs were subjected to during WWII by the Ustashe. United Union (talk) 20:22, 27 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

United Union, do you know if there are academic sources that discuss what the consensus is with regards to the massacre? --MrClog (talk) 14:14, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@MrClog (talk · contribs), I'm not aware of publications that specifically discuss the consensus, but as I said, there are relevant scientists that question whether genocide is an appropriate term to be used, like already mentioned D. B. MacDonald or, for example, dr. Alexander Korb of the Stanley Burton Centre for Holocaust and Genocide Studies, who is a renowned expert and an author of a number of publications on the matter, which certainly implies lack of consensus. And I'm not even going to mention local, Croatian and Serbian scientists or get into the whole "number of victims" issue, which ranges significantly based on who you ask, which just shows how much in-depth research this topic still requires. Nevertheless, I'm repeating that I do not claim that genocide did not happen, that's not my point here, all I'm saying is that I believe that the term "persecution" would be more in line with the NPOV as it would, in fact, include genocide, but also other malfeasances such as conversions or deportations. United Union (talk) 20:52, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Many authors in the genocide studies-journals have defined that tragedy specifically as a genocide. (1, 2, 3, 4). The main Holocaust memorial, the originator of the Genocide Convention and the Croatian and Bosnian heads of state did the same (and, of course, the high officials of Serbia and Republika Srpska). Indeed, it is definitely not a POV and it is not difficult to prove. Any attempt to avoid to mention a genocide is in fact denial. There are many deniers of all genocide examples even among academic sources. Highlighting some exceptions is a WP:GEVAL, especialy when we talk about topics like this. There is no reason to downplay the fascists' crimes.-- WEBDuB (talk) 22:44, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I think that regarding this issue we have to give overwelming credit to academic sources and reliable institutions. On the other side, declarations comming from politicians hardly have any more weight than the act itself. Specially in the Balkans where we had cases of politicians changing their claims 180º over one same issue. Academic sources provide us valuable content in respect of an event in question, wereas, politicians provide us just their reactions. I would be carefull not to mix the two. FkpCascais (talk) 23:38, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]