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Before you start deleting categories on Hrvatinic family article and Hrvoje Vukcic Hrvatinic, you should actually discuss these changes and explain your rationale. What you are doing is a textbook nationalist POV pushing, I am not sure you are aware of this but those two articles fall under the [[WP:ARBCOM]] and POV-pushing on Balkan related articles can result in severe consequences for you on Wikipedia. [[User:Shokatz|Shokatz]] ([[User talk:Shokatz|talk]]) 21:09, 25 March 2019 (UTC) |
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Is this some sort of sarcastic joke ?--Santasa99 (talk) 22:12, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
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That's alright - fringe and mythomania trying to pass as legitimate sci.article has always captivated my full attention, so if I get more interested further into issue, I promise, don't worry, I'm terribly stubborn and know wikipedia all too well.--Santasa99 (talk) 01:58, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
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Xevus11 (talk) 15:39, 19 July 2018 (UTC) @Xevus11: You are right, no objections what so ever, I copy/pasted this new Infobox to combine with an old one - I will vest much more time in article, like in all river-stubs in the area, sometime in the future. And I was really puzzled with it, since I was absolutely sure that page exists but I was unable to find it, so I concluded that maybe I was referring it to Commons. Anyhow, sorry for inconvenience.--౪ Santa ౪99° 16:37, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
- This is odd, this new Infobox that I created, maybe an hour or so ago, is also inserted into old page ? Is that your edit? Nevermind, it looks OK.--౪ Santa ౪99° 16:42, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
- Its cool, and yes, I moved the infobox over. It was a nice infobox, figured there was no reason to have it deleted. Xevus11 (talk) 17:01, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
- Well, I lost it, completely - I just checked history on the "old" article and realized that I was editing it just prior to creating this completly new one, crazy huh!? But it happens, I guess. And thanks on your intention to preserv infobox - I always first create and place nicely put together infobox on those river-pages I want to work and expend on it later on.--౪ Santa ౪99° 17:14, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
- Hi Santasa99. I've deleted the article. I considered WP:REDIRECT-ing it to Žabljak (river) but that wouldn't have followed the Wikipedia:Redirects from foreign languages guideline. Please let me know if you'd like to recover it, and I'll move it into your userspace. Pete AU aka --Shirt58 (talk) 09:21, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
- Well, I lost it, completely - I just checked history on the "old" article and realized that I was editing it just prior to creating this completly new one, crazy huh!? But it happens, I guess. And thanks on your intention to preserv infobox - I always first create and place nicely put together infobox on those river-pages I want to work and expend on it later on.--౪ Santa ౪99° 17:14, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
- Its cool, and yes, I moved the infobox over. It was a nice infobox, figured there was no reason to have it deleted. Xevus11 (talk) 17:01, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
- This is odd, this new Infobox that I created, maybe an hour or so ago, is also inserted into old page ? Is that your edit? Nevermind, it looks OK.--౪ Santa ౪99° 16:42, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
Hello @Shirt58:, is this ping working at all - thanks for your input. I don't see need for any of that, it was only infobox worth saving, also I am considering to change title from "Žabljak (river)" to this deleted "Žabljak (Livanjsko Polje)" later when, and if, article gets little bit bigger (the reason for that is that in this particular area all the rivers are "sinking rivers" that go underground beneath Livanjsko Polje, and all the article created about these rivers are titled that way). Thanks again, and see you around.--౪ Santa ౪99° 16:03, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
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You wrote "first log into the project with account, second don't remove contemporary research ref's, & stop resorting to double edits to make undo more complicated because these moves can be viewed as "bad faith" & edits & even as vandalism, last but not least, Ferdo Šišić's work is sound historiographically but is loaded ideologically - again, first log-in with your account unless you want your significant edits to be viewed as vandalism".
First, I have no obligation to Log In to edit an article since it's a project open to everyone regardless. If it wasn't, they wouldn't allow an unregistered user to edit it in the first place. Secondly, I never removed any reference on the article since I started editing. You're the one removing references (the Pal Engel one) and seem to be downplaying information you do not like. What I'm adding in the article is represented in WP:Reliable sources, and I merely reverted it back to how it was before you started making changes to it, see: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hrvatini%C4%87&oldid=855529021 Thirdly, you can't revert someone purely on your perception of "bad faith", and you should probably check Wikipedia:Vandalism. Moreover, you charging Šišić with being "ideologically" loaded, yet he's merely one of several sources used to support what I'm adding to the page. Is Pal Engel, who claims Bosnia (which Hrvatinić formed a part of as stated in the article) was part of the Šubić domain until 1322, also "ideologically loaded"? Is Nada Klaić, who claims Hrvatin (founder) was a vassal of Šubić, also ideologically loaded? Is the Croatian Biographical Lexicon (http://hbl.lzmk.hr/clanak.aspx?id=89 Hrvatinići), which claims "Nakon toga, odigrali su važnu ulogu na poč. XIV. st. u svezi sa širenjem u Bosni vlasti Bribirskih, s kojima su više puta sređivali svoje vazalne odnose. Ban Pavao I. Bribirski s braćom izdao im je više isprava (1301, 1304. i 1305) kojim je potvrđivao sve njihove posjede, jamčio njihovu cjelovitost i obećavao zaštitu ako ih tko napadne." also ideologically loaded?
You also state: "Opinionated edit based on personal conclusion from cherry picked lines of text in one book - Hrvoje was no vassal to any of Šubić's, he was vassale to Sigismund of Luxembourg and Ladislaus of Naples Ladislaus of Naples"
Except the article is about the Hrvatinić noble family in general, not Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić specifically. And it's not "cherry-picking" when it's explicitly supported by other sources. 141.138.39.174 (talk) 20:31, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
- No, Sisic's and naturschik Engel's ideologically loaded language becomes palpable when you decide to use it to reinterpret and reformat article in such a manner to appear that Hrvatincs were somehow Croatians after all. Everything you want to write about vassalage in the first paragraph is already placed in second, and is formulated in pretty neutral fashion. More importantly, there is a sense that you are deliberately shifting gravity from most notable member of the family to nearly unknown predecesors of Hrvoje, just to make a point with Subic and his significance. But, as it is visible from second paragraph that issue is resolved, so there is no need to repeat in every paragraph that he was vassal to Subic, that Subic controlled this part and that part, and especially, there is no need to cram Infobox with titles (particularly those family never acquired) and references.--౪ Santa ౪99° 21:40, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
- And, you continue to remove claims which are represented in reliable sources. I don't think anyone, including Fine, disputes the fact that the person in question used the title "ban". Using your metric, we can also dispute John Van Antwerp Fine Jr. (who is extensively used in the article) as a Yugo-centric political ideologist, see: http://hrcak.srce.hr/49246?lang=en (especially pages 3 and 4) And again, the article deals with the Hrvatinić noble family, whereas Hrvatin is considered its founder, making him important for the article's subject. There is already a seperate article dedicated to Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić, rendering your "complaint" irrelevant. Nobody is claiming they were "Croats", but that they were vassals of Šubić of Croatia. It makes about as much sense as claiming they were Hungarians. So, I'll keep rv-ing. 141.138.39.174 (talk) 21:53, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
- Good point, this shows that you actually understand very well this entire matter, when it suits your perspective. To expend on it I will say that historiography, although academic discipline, still isn't exact science, so historians are allowed to have their many different view-points. However, we don't use J.A.Fine to manipulate and reinterpret some of his points to prove that Croats are "invented" ethnicity, or that Croats and Bosniaks are just Catholic and Muslim Serbs. Similarly, we don't cite directly out of Sisic's and Nada's Klajic own grandfather Vjekoslav's works to prove that Bosnians are just "Croatians" and that, by extension, Bosnia is just one of "Croatian lands" ("hrvatske zemlje") to which Croatia should extend its "Croatian state right" ("hrvatsko drzavno pravo"). Also, as I said already, members of the family never acquired title "ban", even if some, and I don't know which, 19th-20th century historians tried to interpret titles that way, they were "knez" (of Donji Kraju), "dukes" (of Split) and "grand dukes" (of Bosnia), and yes, Ladislaus gave Hrvoje office of sort of "viceroy" which Fine calls "Ladislaus deputy in the region".--౪ Santa ౪99° 22:46, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
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Before you start deleting categories on Hrvatinic family article and Hrvoje Vukcic Hrvatinic, you should actually discuss these changes and explain your rationale. What you are doing is a textbook nationalist POV pushing, I am not sure you are aware of this but those two articles fall under the WP:ARBCOM and POV-pushing on Balkan related articles can result in severe consequences for you on Wikipedia. Shokatz (talk) 21:09, 25 March 2019 (UTC)